NIL struggles

[orangefog]

People asked why, that's one reason. Obviously there are other reasons.

 

[SUfanNC]

I said observe, not perceive.

It’s not fact. It what is perceived.

 

[SUfanNC]

Correct and why you ask does he have so much sway with that hoops team and Pitino suddenly. That’s right No football and no other alumns that are giving near what he is or have in the past. So Repole is the big fish there and the rules were rewritten around him.

AW wants to be the big fish for hoops but he won’t be Unless he somehow decides to give an amount that’s in line with the amounts the bigger donors are giving and have given in the past.

If he wants the rules built around him it’s going to cost alot more than whatever he’s offering.

Last 2 paragraphs are assumptions.

 

[capeorange]

It’s not fact. It what is perceived.

An observation is not a perception. I observe that it is raining out, that is a fact. I also observe that the guy you have spent at least 2 days defending has not brought in a single major recruit, that is also a fact.

 

[orangefog]

An observation is not a perception. I observe that it is raining out, that is a fact. I also observe that the guy you have spent at least 2 days defending has not brought in a single major recruit, that is also a fact.

Not to jump on this endless pissing match, but you can't blame a guy for not bringing in recruits when he is not allowed to. You can question whether he would if he was allowed and that seems to be where we stand. Most would like his promised contribution back. Some don't want him back for any reason. Some want him back as long as he follows certain university established rules (collective) and some want him back even if it is by his own rules so long as he doesn't get the university in trouble with the NCAA. I think it is that simple. People fall in to different camps on this and everyone is entitled to their opinion based on what they know or don't know, the arguing is pretty stupid.

 

[SUfanNC]

An observation is not a perception. I observe that it is raining out, that is a fact. I also observe that the guy you have spent at least 2 days defending has not brought in a single major recruit, that is also a fact.

What he sees from a far is not fact. Call it whatever you want.

 

[capeorange]

What he sees from a far is not fact. Call it whatever you want.

He has not brought in a single major recruit, I call that a fact.

Edit; who said anything about what he sees?

 

[RedtheGOB]

An observation is not a perception. I observe that it is raining out, that is a fact. I also observe that the guy you have spent at least 2 days defending has not brought in a single major recruit, that is also a fact.

Agreed. Back to Repole. He is paying 50% of St. John’s NIL. That was last year. May be more this year given the success they had. They have no other nil sports or other big sports. Keeping in mind also there really hasn’t been any real St. John’s investment in there sports in like 25 years. So yea they rewrote the rules there and gave a billionaire the keys.

If AW was committing to paying 50% of all our NIL including football I’m pretty sure some tunes would be changed.

As it stands the $’s are not at a level that would warrant a change in how the university wants to do business and regardless he’s not giving the money through the approved channels anyway.

I believe it’s been implied that AW wants to basically buy the big name star hoops players from the portal each year. Time to let this go.

Winning solves a lot of issues. Easy to spin up drama when the program is at a historic low. Let’s see how many rich people are back in their boxes this year if we are winning games like it was 20 years ago.

 

[Scooch]

I made a sarcastic comment on that Aiden Media post, and AW messaged me directly about it. I doubt I was the only one. It's especially wild considering I have a private account with approximately 4 followers

I suspect it was someone on AW's social media team that messaged you. And that someone from his social media TEAM messaged you should be a tell to everyone about what the ultimate motivations are.

 

[capeorange]

Agreed. Back to Repole. He is paying 50% of St. John’s NIL. That was last year. May be more this year given the success they had. They have no other nil sports or other big sports. Keeping in mind also there really hasn’t been any real St. John’s investment in there sports in like 25 years. So yea they rewrote the rules there and gave a billionaire the keys.

If AW was committing to paying 50% of all our NIL including football I’m pretty sure some tunes would be changed.

As it stands the $’s are not at a level that would warrant a change in how the university wants to do business and regardless he’s not giving the money through the approved channels anyway.

I believe it’s been implied that AW wants to basically buy the big name star hoops players from the portal each year. Time to let this go.

Winning solves a lot of issues. Easy to spin up drama when the program is at a historic low. Let’s see how many rich people are back in their boxes this year if we are winning games like it was 20 years ago.

So basically he wants to take credit away from the thousands of people who contribute to NIL for the entire team and shine the light on himself.
I think (that's an opinion) that, as I stated and Dasher stated earlier, SU has moved on and so should the rest of us.

 

[Cuseregular]

I suspect it was someone on AW's social media team that messaged you. And that someone from his social media TEAM messaged you should be a tell to everyone about what the ultimate motivations are.

Now you’re making shite up, potentially. Lol. You guys want to make him sound like la cosa nostra. Unless you know this wirh certainty, Stop already.

 

[SUfanNC]

He has not brought in a single major recruit, I call that a fact.

Edit; who said anything about what he sees?

That wasn’t even what we were talking about. Red was saying what he sees from AW on social media. It his perception of AW.

 

[SUfanNC]

Agreed. Back to Repole. He is paying 50% of St. John’s NIL. That was last year. May be more this year given the success they had. They have no other nil sports or other big sports. Keeping in mind also there really hasn’t been any real St. John’s investment in there sports in like 25 years. So yea they rewrote the rules there and gave a billionaire the keys.

If AW was committing to paying 50% of all our NIL including football I’m pretty sure some tunes would be changed.

As it stands the $’s are not at a level that would warrant a change in how the university wants to do business and regardless he’s not giving the money through the approved channels anyway.

I believe it’s been implied that AW wants to basically buy the big name star hoops players from the portal each year. Time to let this go.

Winning solves a lot of issues. Easy to spin up drama when the program is at a historic low. Let’s see how many rich people are back in their boxes this year if we are winning games like it was 20 years ago.

This is a way better statement. I can get with this other than paragraph 2

Also I don’t know anything about the Johnnie’s Repole situation with NIL

 

[dasher]

I don’t know, I just asked him, waiting to hear back. I postulated and assume it’s for the reason I laid out in previous posts.

Fan? Not exactly. But I most certainly do appreciate anyone giving over $1 million to improve the chances of success to the teams, programs and University I follow love for 55 years now as well as the environment he contributed to, in a positive way IMO

Appreciate his generosity too to so many others in the community as well with his open box/open door policy for many, as well as his other contributions to the communities in other ways with the quality restaurants, etc. that are nonprofit, or his TBT work.

I appreciate further his charity work locally, charity contributions to all those celebrities causes as well as for providing some fun entertainment at the basketball games creating an enhanced environment to watch games.

I sincerely appreciate the good loyal sincere friendship he has with one of my childhood hero's, James Arthur Boeheim, and the way he supports and looks out for him and the whole Boeheim clan (whom I know firsthand over the many years)

This ain’t rocket science, all of this, and I remain mystified by a situation like this where a school in this unstable essentially no rules wild Wild West environment could so casually give up $2million NIL dollars going forward because they all can’t have a meeting of the minds to figure this out. Based on that podcast sounds like he’s willing.

And I hope all of you stop with the inferences of something further, more serious or even sinister going on with this guy, as to there being any other reasonthat the schools distancing themselves beyond the apparent problem with the big time donor, whatever that is, so put up or shut up all and any of yas doing that.

I will tell you this for a fact. Adam is willing to meet. The school is not. And they couldn't have treated me more rudely if they tried. Now, I don't know what I don't know about all of this. But I do know how I was treated by BOT members and Kent.

 

[Cuseregular]

I will tell you this for a fact. Adam is willing to meet. The school is not. And they couldn't have treated me more rudely if they tried. Now, I don't know what I don't know about all of this. But I do know how I was treated by BOT members and Kent.

Yep get that.

Re treatment at the hands of the school, we all know they’re lacking in basic taking care of the fans stuff. Yet here we are and remain.

And specifically with respect to your experience, yep Me too, fwiw. As mentioned previously elsewhere I tried to donate my 1959 Ernie Davis, team and coaches signed Syracuse national championship football to them once, didn’t go well, not enough interest on their part believe it or not.

Then offered it up again years later recently, directly to the powers that be again, this time to the newer regime as to if they wanted a crack at getting it, got ghosted after an initial show of interest. Still cannot believe it and after having it so many years it was Time to move it to the younger generation so I indeed moved it elsewhere to another younger, but thankfully, just as much a hard-core fan as any of us.

Their moves up there are mystifying in so many respects. It’s amazing we all hang in there, they’re fortunate it’s in our dna!

 

[sufan59]

I will tell you this for a fact. Adam is willing to meet. The school is not. And they couldn't have treated me more rudely if they tried. Now, I don't know what I don't know about all of this. But I do know how I was treated by BOT members and Kent.

They are taking the let’s hope we win big and have this all wash over approach. Hopefully it works, but the program is going to need a lot bigger results than just making the tournament to really wash away any more questions moving forward. You would think that national media would talk more about the demise over a program of our stature which I think we will see a break from atleast temporarily, hopefully more permanent over time. You rarely if ever hear any national media outlet approach questioning our downfall with a 10 foot pole. It should be national College Basketball headlines for a program of Syracuse historical success. One of the first questions would be about the Weitsman-SU divorce. The national media doesn’t have any answers either and if they did, they are clearly not allowed to really report on it. A Syracuse Basketball mystery.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don’t know what to tell you man. It has been said in here many times at this point that those in the know are not at liberty to share, and yet you keep asking the same questions to those who obviously can’t provide the answers you seek.

The issue I have is how quick some are to want to believe Adam’s side of the story and trash the university and actual mega donors. Adam is controlling the narrative. His whole persona is carefully curated and intentionally presented. It’s obviously working on members of our fanbase to his delight. It makes it easier with his two new mouthpieces in the media in Etan and Devo.

Well, if people can't say what the real story is, then I really wish everyone would just S T and let us talk about sports.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The scenario is bizarre. I think regardless there is zero reason to not be able to have both in the fold.

Everyone says he can donate. I assume he wants to have it like it was before as far as suite and all that. I really don’t see the problem with that in today’s NIL as long as it’s in compliance.

It's only because he has certain expectations - mostly publicity.

And if he wants to donate, I don't see why anyone is stopping him.

He is the one behind this endless PR campaign.

It's not the Lally's keeping this alive. It's not Syverud.

AW, at this point, is just like Blake Lively.

I really don't care about your story. Nobody really cares, except the people they are paying to keep putting across their point of view. I don't think you are nearly as important as you are trying to convince everyone else that you are.

I don't give a shtt about Gossip Girl, or her sexual harassment suit against her co-star.

I certainly don't have another minute's time to listen to this attention seeking BS from a supposed supporter of the program who won't actually give any money unless he can turn SU sports into his own personal reality show.

Do what you want to do, man. At this point, most of us are tired of reading your BS.

 

[Cappy3]

He has not brought in a single major recruit, I call that a fact.

Edit; who said anything about what he sees?

Who has? I don’t remember seeing anything that directly tied a “major recruit” to any particular donor. Did I miss that story?

 

[SUfanNC]

I will tell you this for a fact. Adam is willing to meet. The school is not. And they couldn't have treated me more rudely if they tried. Now, I don't know what I don't know about all of this. But I do know how I was treated by BOT members and Kent.

Sorry to hear that! This is sorta the part that seems egotistical to me. Without knowing anything. You don’t have to be rude to someone that is trying to help. Hate that

 

[IthacaMatt]

I mean, sometimes it is either/or. If Weistman isn’t a big donor, and he pisses off our real mega donors, then we should tell him to pound sand.

Someone needs to explain to me how this isn’t Weistman having a big bowl of sour grapes over the Lallys ACTUALLY donating money. I get the feeling that this guy is so upset at not being the center of attention that he has actually trying to cause problems with our mega donors.

Totally agree. He's an attention whore. How big is the hole in his soul to need it this bad?

 

[SUfanNC]

They are taking the let’s hope we win big and have this all wash over approach. Hopefully it works, but the program is going to need a lot bigger results than just making the tournament to really wash away any more questions moving forward. You would think that national media would talk more about the demise over a program of our stature which I think we will see a break from atleast temporarily, hopefully more permanent over time. You rarely if ever hear any national media outlet approach questioning our downfall with a 10 foot pole. It should be national College Basketball headlines for a program of Syracuse historical success. One of the first questions would be about the Weitsman-SU divorce. The national media doesn’t have any answers either and if they did, they are clearly not allowed to really report on it. A Syracuse Basketball mystery.

I just don’t see how it goes away. Guy lives in the community. People are always going to say why can’t we get him on board again. Wondering what if. It will be like tell me you’re starting 5 for 15 dollars.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

How is anyone suppose to chill when Weitsman won’t shut his mouth and keeps feeding people ammunition to get angry.

Ignore it

 

[SUfanNC]

Who has? I don’t remember seeing anything that directly tied a “major recruit” to any particular donor. Did I miss that story?

He was saying he has not been tied to one major recruit. I think you are on the same page

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don’t know, I just asked him, waiting to hear back. I postulated and assume it’s for the reason I laid out in previous posts.

Fan? Not exactly. But I most certainly do appreciate anyone giving over $1 million to improve the chances of success to the teams, programs and University I follow love for 55 years now as well as the environment he contributed to, in a positive way IMO

Appreciate his generosity too to so many others in the community as well with his open box/open door policy for many, as well as his other contributions to the communities in other ways with the quality restaurants, etc. that are nonprofit, or his TBT work.

I appreciate further his charity work locally, charity contributions to all those celebrities causes as well as for providing some fun entertainment at the basketball games creating an enhanced environment to watch games.

I sincerely appreciate the good loyal sincere friendship he has with one of my childhood hero's, James Arthur Boeheim, and the way he supports and looks out for him and the whole Boeheim clan (whom I know firsthand over the many years)

This ain’t rocket science, all of this, and I remain mystified by a situation like this where a school in this unstable essentially no rules wild Wild West environment could so casually give up $2million NIL dollars a year going forward because they all can’t have a meeting of the minds to figure this out. Based on that podcast sounds like he remains willing.

And I hope all of you stop with the inferences of something further, more serious or even sinister going on with this guy, as to there being any other reason that the schools distancing themselves beyond the apparent problem with the big time donor, whatever that is, so put up or shut up all and any of yas doing that.

I'm sure he's done great things for people in the community. I also know first hand of a few times he failed to follow through.

People in Syracuse kind of worship Adam's buddy, Jeff Knauss, and there's a high degree of BS in what he says and does, too.

He's a PR guy, who taught Adam PR. That's who they are.

I was a PR guy before I was a lawyer. I know BS when I see and hear it. I recognize publicity campaigns when I see them.