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No Combine Invite for Ishmael

I think Ish is quicker than many seem to think. I'd venture pro day measurements close to, and a team drafting him for a role similar to, Delanie Walker

Delanie Walker | WR | Central Missouri - NFL Combine Results

As to no players at the combine... that's a net positive for us because it means Chris Slayton didn't declare early. We won't be shut out next season.

People make mistakes. I don't believe it will matter that Steve was not invited. His PRO DAY will prove he belongs in the NFL an abbreviation for “not for long” IMO. As an example of two very successful receivers let's take another non - invitee to the combine who along with the second example was not a burner, Wes Welker:

College career/ Wes Welker
While attending Texas Tech University, Welker played for the Texas Tech Red Raiders. His last-minute signing proved to be very beneficial for the Red Raider football team. Based on a highlight reel from high school, Welker earned the nickname "The Natural", given to him by his recruiter, and then running backs coach at Texas Tech, Art Briles, before his freshman year for his versatility and big-game performances. Over his four-year career, he had 259 receptions for 3,019 yards and 21 touchdowns and 79 rushes for 456 yards and two touchdowns. He also scored eight touchdowns returning punts in his career, which earns him a second place tie for the NCAA record, behind Dante Pettis who has 9.

After his senior season at Texas Tech, Welker was not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine.

Professional playing career - Pre-draft
Pre-draft measurables


5 ft 9 in
(1.75 m)


ht 186 lb
(84 kg)

40 4.65 s

All values from Texas Tech Pro Day

The big negative here, despite a great playing career at Texas tech, was that at 5'9” he was obviously too short and a 4.65, WELL, that's much too slow fro a WR to create separation and we at the combine know that as gospel. NOT!

And the next NFL mistake his twin Danny Amendola. We all know about his work with the Patriots:

Professional career Danny Amendola
Pre-draft measureables


5-10 *


185 *

4.58

*At NFL Combine **At Texas Tech Pro Day

Amendola drew numerous comparisons to former Texas Tech receiver Wes Welker, whose NFL career included stints with the Miami Dolphins, the New England Patriots, and the Denver Broncos,[16][17] as the two have similar builds (Welker is 5'9", 185 lb, while Amendola is 5'11", 183 lb), and played the same positions at Texas Tech (slot receiver and punt returner).[18]

Dallas Cowboys[edit]
Amendola signed as an undrafted free agent with the Dallas Cowboys on April 27, 2008.[19] His attempt to make it to the NFL was featured on the HBO special Hard Knocks.[20] Amendola was cut by the Cowboys on August 30 and re-signed to the practice squad after clearing waivers.[21] [22][23] He spent the entire 2008 regular season on the team's practice squad, and never saw regular season action.

It's a tough sled making it to the NFL. They are looking for the very best and that is what is supposed to be on display at the combine. But, as I mentioned people are human most of the time and make mistakes. An obvious one is overlooking Steve Ishmael. Both examples above were some how always open – available for the ball to be thrown to them and they made themselves catch it when it got there.

Ishmael has those same attributes. He gets open and creates space with his body between the defender and himself so he has ample room to get the ball thrown to him. There is this perceived “I told you so” attitude he has, a silent one, from him to the receiver after he catches the ball usually down field by the sideline leaping over the defender. He is one tough sob. And like Welker who grew from his very successful high school days, college and NFL – I believe we are going to see the same from Steve. Good Luck man but I don't think you'll need it – it's inside you already. GOSU
PS: This from a National Signing Day article from SB Nation by Sean Keeley Feb.4 2014 about him:
Ishmael caught 71 passes for 1,007 yards and 16 TDs last season." The 6'2", 180-speedster runs the 40-yard dash in 4.5 seconds." A 4.5 is not elite speed like Jawhar Jordan's 4.37 but it should be fine for the NFL esp. if he can lower that at his pro day. :)
 
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There must be a reasonable explanation here

The explanation is, he will probably run a 4.6 and change and as we know , if you are an evaluator at the combine, you are a numbers whore. ISH should get drafted on subjectives. His ability to get off the line and make clutch catches over the years against top secondary talent should be enough.
 
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I've always thought a WR would be crazy for not picking Syracuse with the offense we run. Now I'm starting to wonder if WR's shy away from a school with an offensive system like Syracuse. Perhaps the thought may be that, even if you put up All American numbers vs. ACC competition, (Ish and Amba) the scouts at the NFL level just see you running 100 plays a game, and inflating your stats. Could this offense actually turn away some big time receivers?

That's BS, as an evaluator i would consider that more reps to evaluate .
 
The explanation is, he will probably run a 4.6 and change and as we know , if you are an evaluator at the combine, you are a numbers whore. ISH should get drafted on subjectives. His ability to get off the line and make clutch catches over the years against top secondary talent should be enough.
If 4.6 and under is good enough for Jerry Rice, Anquan Bolden, Chad Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Chris Carter, Brandon Lloyd, just to name a few of the 4.6 and under members (and there are plenty more who got drafted), then I doubt it's because of his speed. His speed is at least serviceable at the next level.
 
Ish I think is a 4.7-4.8 guy... but his ability to go up and grab the 1 on 1's is overly impressive. He'll get an UFA offer and hopefully excels in a camp.

I seriously don't understand why we don't have 3 guys at the combine.
 
Ish I think is a 4.7-4.8 guy... but his ability to go up and grab the 1 on 1's is overly impressive. He'll get an UFA offer and hopefully excels in a camp.

I seriously don't understand why we don't have 3 guys at the combine.


Simmie Cobb - a very good WR from Indiana University, is at the Combine.

I don't think he measures up to Steve Ishmael as a football player on the field - and I don't think it's all that cloes.

Yesterday Simmie ran a 4.68 forty.

If he is there, you would think that Ish should be there.
 
Simmie Cobb - a very good WR from Indiana University, is at the Combine.

I don't think he measures up to Steve Ishmael as a football player on the field - and I don't think it's all that cloes.

Yesterday Simmie ran a 4.68 forty.

If he is there, you would think that Ish should be there.

I still don't get it.

But I don't think it will hurt him if performs at SU's pro day.
 
To be honest, the NFL wants eye balls on the combine. Some guy from a 4-8 team is not really moving the needle unless they think he will blow out everyone. Unfortunately the NFL is just about ratings
 
To be honest, the NFL wants eye balls on the combine. Some guy from a 4-8 team is not really moving the needle unless they think he will blow out everyone. Unfortunately the NFL is just about ratings

That’s fine. He’s torched some of their top 10 safeties and cornerbacks. He’ll impress at our pro day. He’s got it.
 
I've always thought a WR would be crazy for not picking Syracuse with the offense we run. Now I'm starting to wonder if WR's shy away from a school with an offensive system like Syracuse. Perhaps the thought may be that, even if you put up All American numbers vs. ACC competition, (Ish and Amba) the scouts at the NFL level just see you running 100 plays a game, and inflating your stats. Could this offense actually turn away some big time receivers?
Too early to draw that conclusion. Nobody DB has recruited here is even eligible for the draft yet. Lets let a few guys put up video game numbers with a pass first qb slinging it from behind a legitimate offensive line before we have that discussion.
 
I think the NFL is catching up to the college schemes - if you can produce in this system, you'll increasingly find a home on a team. All the talk of RPO's, like they are new. Cracks me up.

Ish is slow but wins a lot of 1 on 1 balls vs NFL corners. You don't put up good numbers in the ACC unless you're good - system or no.
 
The guy dominated NFL talent in the acc. Consistently. Made it look easy.

The only team that seemed to have his number was Miami. Arguably one of the most dynamic defenses in the country
 
Syracuse football is shut out of NFL combine for 1st time since at least 1986

Punter Riley Dixon has been the only player drafted in the last three years.

The talent level at this program has been embarrassing.
I have no insider knowledge or facts. But I find it hard to believe that Syracuse did not have anyone invited to the 1986 NFL combine. If they didn't it had nothing to do with not having talented enough players since there were 5 Orangmen drafted that year though only 2 in rounds that still exist (1) Green, (6) Marrone, (9) Brotzki, (10) Kimmel, (12) McAuley. Really hard to believe Tim Green wasn't invited unless they didn't used to invite the top players.
 
The guy dominated NFL talent in the acc. Consistently. Made it look easy.

The only team that seemed to have his number was Miami. Arguably one of the most dynamic defenses in the country

And Louisville. Zaire Alexander, who will be a 1st round pick, shut SI down. His overall productivity against good competition will get him a shot with someone at an NFL camp (late round or most likely as a FA).
 

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