No homers allowed

[GoCuse44]

I'm not worried about the backers. Once we get a steady influx of them they will have a year to RS and put on 5 or 10 pounds of muscle.

As far as Macky goes, I don't know enough about line play, to critique anyone. But common sense tells me that last year we had what appeared to be a vastly improved unit, and this year it seems to have completely regressed. Not good, and a little more than coincidental.

I don't think the people defending Macky are necessarily wrong, as I am sure you can pick out many good blocks over the course of a game. Unfortunately, the nature of the beast is that you can do real well on 50 plays, but the one or two that get by will dictate the sort of game you had. These teams are just able to focus on the middle of the line and know that between Macky and the conservative play calling there is a good chance they will either stuff Bailey at the line OR force Ryan to make a quick decision.

Coach Marrone loves Trudo!!!! We may very well see Trudo starting at center and Mackey returning to his long snapper duties.

 

[CuseCrew08]

Everyone says we need upgraded WR's and RB's, basically the skill positions. My contention is the OL has been the biggest problem with the offense all year. If we had the best OL in the BE, I think we would also have the top RB and a top 3 QB. It's just how football works, a great OL hides a lot of problems, unfortunately a bad OL causes a lot of problems.

 

[orange79]

You are way to sensitive, i call it like i see it. Tell me what i said wasnt true. Hes not the answer and this is no flame. Im a realist.

I think his point was that the thread was about Mackey, and the Nassib thing (right or wrong) came out of left field.

 

[upperdeck]

The biggest issue with Macky is that we cant run any real power stuff up the middle. we cant even run a sneak with him. He hasn't been awful, but he does limit what we can do in the middle of the field. Clearly we have issues at the other 4 positions.. if we were to make enough changes that only 1-2 of the positions was really causing issues then it becomes much easier to scheme around him and also do more to use his strengths.. If trudo/hickey/alexander and the other FR can really step in and play we could easily upgrade 2-3 of the positions, and who knows why Chibane seems to regressed, maybe he is playing hurt.

 

[bnoro]

Macky might be ok if SU was running an option attack. But, that's been the problem all along. Marrone wants to run an NFL offense with D2 personnel.

Talk about exaggeration. Every single OL on our team would start for any non-BCS auto-qual team, and some of the lower BCS teams. Not saying they are awesome but they aren't "D2 personnel". And I doubt our O-Line would be better running option...

 

[OrangeinBoston]

The biggest issue with Macky is that we cant run any real power stuff up the middle. we cant even run a sneak with him. He hasn't been awful, but he does limit what we can do in the middle of the field. Clearly we have issues at the other 4 positions.. if we were to make enough changes that only 1-2 of the positions was really causing issues then it becomes much easier to scheme around him and also do more to use his strengths.. If trudo/hickey/alexander and the other FR can really step in and play we could easily upgrade 2-3 of the positions, and who knows why Chibane seems to regressed, maybe he is playing hurt.

Talk about exaggeration. Every single OL on our team would start for any non-BCS auto-qual team, and some of the lower BCS teams. Not saying they are awesome but they aren't "D2 personnel". And I doubt our O-Line would be better running option...

Perhaps, but you get the point. You probably weren't around during Deleone's era and the freeze-option. He schemed around mediocre OL talent (although from time to time there were some good individual OL players). That's the point. Deception and an unusual scheme enabled SU to compete effectively without having to recruit top notch OL players.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Nassib is a big problem and not the answer. Stays in the pocket to long, doesnt know when to throw the ball away, his mobility is mediocre. Not to accurate and is only playing because we have noone. With a better mobile qb we are atleast 2 games better.

I'll take a shot and disagree with this part of it. When has Nassib had a pocket that he could stay in too long this year? When has he had a chance to get outside the pocket and throw it away? Usually it's been less than 3 seconds and CRUNCH. It's usually not only one guy coming free after him either.

He has time vs WVU and looked good because they only play 3 d linemen. Which leads into the original topic. Mackey can block LBs but not DT's. I like the kid but I'm in the group that is hoping Trudo beats him for the starting job next year.

Left side of Pugh, Alexander, and Trudo in the middle could be pretty potent.

 

[kcsu]

I watch the games, and I enjoy watching line play since thats where I was in HS. Macky's not getting pancaked every play. Like I said before, he hasn't been great. He's been serviceable. We're a zone blocking team, and he covers his zone. I would like to see Trudo play there next year, don't get me wrong. Not sure why you love to start the Macky lynch mob every week.

I dont start the Macky lynch mob every week. I do however feel that he is the weakest link in the chain and a pretty big reason why we are limited.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I dont start the Macky lynch mob every week. I do however feel that he is the weakest link in the chain and a pretty big reason why we are limited.

I think Hay has been the weakest link followed by Chibane. Mackey hasn't been a strength but he's not been the weakest link either.

 

[Orangello]

Everyone says we need upgraded WR's and RB's, basically the skill positions. My contention is the OL has been the biggest problem with the offense all year. If we had the best OL in the BE, I think we would also have the top RB and a top 3 QB. It's just how football works, a great OL hides a lot of problems, unfortunately a bad OL causes a lot of problems.

I firmly believe that the "establish the run to set up the pass" offensive scheme which DM continues to push simply magnifies the weak play of the OL. If we went 325+ across the front and had the personnel to execute that scheme, I don;t think you would have as many complaints. The bottom line is that we don't have an OL that can win the upfront battle against 80% of the teams we play and thus are simply unable to do what they are being asked to do. We need to improve the personnel significantly AND modify our O scheme. It's not working.

 

[OrangePA]

uconn, rutgers, cincy. and it's not close. and usf might be a push.

Cmon Bees!

Give me Daniels in a heart beat! That one is not even close in my opinion.

I'll take the Cincy QBs as well - all of them.

I think Dodd of Rutgers is okay, but I haven't seen enough of him to really comment.

No doubt that Ryan is far superior to the UConn QBs

 

[ImperialOrange]

I firmly believe that the "establish the run to set up the pass" offensive scheme which DM continues to push simply magnifies the weak play of the OL. If we went 325+ across the front and had the personnel to execute that scheme, I don;t think you would have as many complaints. The bottom line is that we don't have an OL that can win the upfront battle against 80% of the teams we play and thus are simply unable to do what they are being asked to do. We need to improve the personnel significantly AND modify our O scheme. It's not working.

Of course you're right. The only thing is when you're undersized you're next step is to use speed to your advantage. Sadly we are lacking in that department as well at the moment.

 

[rrlbees]

Cmon Bees!

Give me Daniels in a heart beat! That one is not even close in my opinion.

I'll take the Cincy QBs as well - all of them.

I think Dodd of Rutgers is okay, but I haven't seen enough of him to really comment.

No doubt that Ryan is far superior to the UConn QBs

daniels can run but not pass. cincy? the kid we faced? i'm not talking about collaros. the kid we faced was no better than the uconn kid. he throws like i do left handed and i'm right handed. he hit some kids that were open by 10 yards and less than 20 yards away. nassib was/is better than that kid. someone above had the rankings of be qb's and he is w=right. as to dodd, he sucked and got pulled remember? then the other kid lost his job too. nassib is better than both.

 

[Cusee44]

Nassib is a big problem and not the answer. Stays in the pocket to long, doesnt know when to throw the ball away, his mobility is mediocre. Not to accurate and is only playing because we have noone. With a better mobile qb we are atleast 2 games better.

I'm no Nassib fan but I'm not blind either. He can't stay "too long" in the pocket when the pocket collapses 2 seconds after the snap.

 

[albanycuse]

I'm no Nassib fan but I'm not blind either. He can't stay "too long" in the pocket when the pocket collapses 2 seconds after the snap.

he had opportunities to actually scramble a few times throughout the year so he wouldnt take a sack but he failed miserably.

 

[orangepassion]

Nassib has usually played well when the line gave him a chance. If Nassib is on USC, he would look like a great QB and be at least a mid-round draft pick.

 

[CuseCrew08]

he had opportunities to actually scramble a few times throughout the year so he wouldnt take a sack but he failed miserably.

There has been a bunch of times that I've noticed that Bailey picks up a blitz and blocks him one way and Nassib tries to escape the same exact direction! Its infuriating because Bailey has made a good block.

 

[Cusee44]

Nassib has usually played well when the line gave him a chance. If Nassib is on USC, he would look like a great QB and be at least a mid-round draft pick.

There are instances where he did look well but to say that he'd be a mid-round draft pick? No thanks. There's been too much under thrown/over thrown passes to believe that he'll have a chance. And these throws weren't forced by pressure.

If you've watched games throughout this year, you know the number of wide open targets he missed.

 

[Orangello]

There are instances where he did look well but to say that he'd be a mid-round draft pick? No thanks. There's been too much under thrown/over thrown passes to believe that he'll have a chance. And these throws weren't forced by pressure.

If you've watched games throughout this year, you know the number of wide open targets he missed.

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On the scrambling issue, he always seems reluctant to step up into the pocket when he feels the pressure from the edge. I notice this a lot. As the other poster noted, he also runs towards the backfield block instead of in the other direction and into the tackler. Maybe they are telling him to do whatever he has to do including taking a sack, rather than taking a hit because god forbid, we have no one behind you.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Since noone else posted this Simpsons reference I had too