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He also has shown the ability to run the point which is one of the reasons he's higher than Tyus.
Yes, again I have nothing against Battle going pro, if that is his choice, but there will be guys who go back to school who would probably be drafted higher than Tyus. That's because we are Syracuse and that's how we roll.
 
I don't think it is "assuming" anything -- if he didn't receive a second round guarantee based upon his week at the combine, then he isn't viewed as a draftable commodity. He has the potential to change that, if he returns.
That doesn't mean that he WILL change his stock, but at least he'd have that possibility.

Tyus might not be the best example to reference in support of your point.

Yeah, I think the issue is that there seems to be strong assumptions in polar opposite ways. I feel like most believe that either you absolutely should jump at whatever opportunity is out there to get paid b/c it's money OR that a player should always return to improve their stock. Maybe that's a slight misrepresentation but that's often how it reads.

The reality with Tyus, IMO, is that he's a bit fringy as an NBA prospect/player. Would that change given a third year in school? I don't know, I tend to side with those who have a bit of doubt on that front.

Having said that, returning is an interesting option for him based on the fact that the team around him should be better, he clearly has areas he's at least capable of improving and he potentially has the opportunity to crush the books and get a degree in three years, which he'll likely need either way (obviously he can finish the degree at another point as well).

I personally believe people get too caught up in draft position and tend to forget that at this point the G League IS NOT a developmental league. There aren't 32 teams, the best players to come out of the league are guys like Rafer Alston and others (unless you're going to count guys like Capella who were there for a month), the level of play is not particularly high (quinn cook was like Steph Curry and he's really a fringy guy as well) and the lifestyle/pay is not particularly exciting.

So all of that said, my personal advice to guys would be that if you are an absolute freak athlete and you're ready to work your tail off, then go (Jeremy Grant is still a pretty average basketball player but his size/athleticism make him pretty solid). If you just want to go b/c you want to go, then go. If you're a lottery pick, then there would be almost no reason to stay, so go.

BUT, if you have some significant room for improvement and reps will help with that development, then there is a pretty strong case to be made that the reps you get in college combined with making at least some progress towards a degree you're exceedingly likely to need at some point in the next 3-4 years, then coming back could be a really good option, regardless of where you end up getting drafted.
 
Except with every guy who "trys" the G league route, the percentages drop. Look at MLB, how many AAA players get even a 10 day call up, then 30 day then 1yr? Percentages probably say like 90% of major leaguers were in the minors BUT how many minor leaguers make the majors from AAA? AA? A? short season A.

It's tough out there when a team doesn't have much money invested you. With MLB it's more like 99.9% play in the minors -- only 8 since 1980 and two since 2000 haven't. Most who went straight to the big leagues came from the bonus baby era in the 50s and early 60s. But MLB is a whole different animal than NBA -- much more refining of your game needed to even get a cup of coffee. A good friend of mine was the 5th outfielder behind the 1990s Pirates team that had Bonds, Bonilla (in his prime) and Andy Van Slyke. He hit .347 in AAA, ran a 6.4 60, had a cannon, made the 40 man and couldn't even get a call up. There were 3 guys ahead of him who never got more than 30 games in the OF and together made up the 4th outfielder. Unless you're a super stud and the organization has money into you, you ain't getting a call up. They'll trade for somebody before they'll call you up. The front office wouldn't trade him because he was too good to let go.
 
Comrades, I hate to break it to you, however if you are holding out any hope for Tyus Battle to come back to Syracuse, as the Judas Priest song goes, "You got another thing coming"



Rock on!
 
If only PJ Tucker and Trevor Ariza would have come back for more years in college instead of being massively successful second round early entry draft picks, they would have won yesterday.
 
Not saying he's coming back (he likely isn't, at this point), but I AM saying if this were an easy decision for him, he would have made it by now.
 
If only PJ Tucker and Trevor Ariza would have come back for more years in college instead of being massively successful second round early entry draft picks, they would have won yesterday.

Excellent point -- we should take two second-rounders who've been successful and make a broad generalization about leaving early. Good call.
 
Excellent point -- we should take two second-rounders who've been successful and make a broad generalization about leaving early. Good call.

We can’t all make great points like referencing Rafer Alston as of of the best D league players and poo poo’ing the multiple D league players that have excelled in the last 10 years
 
Comrades, I hate to break it to you, however if you are holding out any hope for Tyus Battle to come back to Syracuse, as the Judas Priest song goes, "You got another thing coming"



Rock on!


Well, it’s what you’d expect from an SU player. It’s kind of an unwritten rule.
 
We can’t all make great points like referencing Rafer Alston as of of the best D league players and poo poo’ing the multiple D league players that have excelled in the last 10 years

Well, you missed the point. I have no problem with rafer alston but if it's a truly developmental league, then the league's best prospects should be coming out of that league. Or at least a good chunk of regular starters on a bunch of the teams in the league, etc. That is simply not the case. Doesn't mean you can't go to the G League and end up putting together a nice NBA career. Or even that you can use the G League to improve and get to the League. But I'm not sure how anyone could argue that at this point the G League is roster filler to a large degree.
 
Battle should absolutely go btw...

If he wants to play basketball for money.

If he wants to attend college, he should come back for another year.

That’s really the only decision here
Don't really disagree, but do you not think there's any chance that he could improve with more reps and -- regardless of draft position, potentially (obviously no guarantee) enter the league a better player with a better chance of sticking with another year in college?
 
Don't really disagree, but do you not think there's any chance that he could improve with more reps and -- regardless of draft position, potentially (obviously no guarantee) enter the league a better player with a better chance of sticking with another year in college?

Of course there’s a chance. There’s also a chance he could become better being on a D league roster or at the end of an NBA bench and playing hoops full time. Theres pros and cons with either decision. Which is why it’s asinine to speculate.

If he wants to play for money, go.
 
Don't really disagree, but do you not think there's any chance that he could improve with more reps and -- regardless of draft position, potentially (obviously no guarantee) enter the league a better player with a better chance of sticking with another year in college?

In theory perhaps. Maybe just too many balls to go around? Not sure if this system is good for him and conducive to off ball movement and such. I think the only way he knows how to play is start a drive 25 ft out and see what happens.
 
Well, you missed the point. I have no problem with rafer alston but if it's a truly developmental league, then the league's best prospects should be coming out of that league. Or at least a good chunk of regular starters on a bunch of the teams in the league, etc. That is simply not the case. Doesn't mean you can't go to the G League and end up putting together a nice NBA career. Or even that you can use the G League to improve and get to the League. But I'm not sure how anyone could argue that at this point the G League is roster filler to a large degree.

The majority of the NBA rosters is filler to fans. People here still think Ennis’ career has been a bust.
 
The majority of the NBA rosters is filler to fans. People here still think Ennis’ career has been a bust.

What’s the criteria? Making some money or being a good player? There are plenty of frauds and charlatans in any field making money. Not saying Ennis is a fraud, either. But, I don’t know if he’s good or considered good.
 
What’s the criteria? Making some money or being a good player? There are plenty of frauds and charlatans in any field making money. Not saying Ennis is a fraud, either. But, I don’t know if he’s good or considered good.

The criteria should be playing in the NBA. I don’t think people understand the difficulty in sticking on a roster. Look at a guy like Anthony Bennett. Number 1 pick. Got like 1 more chance and he’s gone.
 
The majority of the NBA rosters is filler to fans. People here still think Ennis’ career has been a bust.

I’d be curious to know the average career length and statistical production for 18th picks. I believe John Wallace was also picked 18th? Warrick went 19th.

If I had to guess, I would think Warrick exceeded the average career length and production for 19th picks, Wallace was probably about right on average(maybe his Toronto years bring him a little above average)?

There’s anomalies, but people that act like our late first round picks are disappointments probably arent correctly gauging the production of most late first round picks and instead are just hyper focused on our guys.
 
The majority of the NBA rosters is filler to fans. People here still think Ennis’ career has been a bust.
Unless you're arguing that the jury's still out, it has been.
 
The majority of the NBA rosters is filler to fans. People here still think Ennis’ career has been a bust.

Again -- don't disagree and, for the record, Ennis absolutely made the right call. He had no choice, IMO, and obviously it's been a fairly successful run in terms of carving out a career for a few years.

My only point is that if you look at the MLB minor league system (which has some significant warts, by the way), there is a bunch of roster filler and shuttle players at AAA, but almost every other level is purely developmental and instructional by nature and the rosters are full of guys most franchises hope are going to become the next MLB stars.

The G League, to me, is trending this way, but is still a long ways off.

having said that, by the way, I agree with you -- if battle wants to play for pay, then by all means, take your shot!
 
I think if Battle comes back he can improve his draft position, and would improve his draft position, despite what he's supposedly hearing from NBA teams.

Part of that is because it seems as though he might not have a draft position right now though.
 

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