Northeast football offenses suck

[Millhouse]

Let me know if there's anyone else I should include.

What a wasteland of offense. Huge opportunity here.


Name
Rank
Yards/G

Massachusetts
39
448.8

Pittsburgh
46
440.6

Boston College
68
399.1

Rutgers
80
382.1

Syracuse
106
356.8

Maryland
114
343.7

Penn State
116
340.8

Connecticut
124
289

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Well, you know, it's cold and wintery in the Northeast, so you'd expect all of these programs to have challenges with the weather, and that would impact their offenses.

 

[javadoc]

Well, you know, it's cold and wintery in the Northeast, so you'd expect all of these programs to have challenges with the weather, and that would impact their offenses.

Weather challenges both teams simultaneously.

 

[Millhouse]

Weather challenges both teams simultaneously.

it might seem odd to a syracuse fan but most big time schools play more games at home than not

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Here's a couple more:

Navy
39
447.0

Buffalo
50
427.2

Army
96
364.0

West Virginia is ranked #12 in offense, but I don't consider WVU a northeastern school despite its large contingent of New Jersey undergrads. Yes, I agree with you. Northeastern offenses suck. Then again, how many of these schools play at least half their games in reliably warm, dry conditions????

Well, besides Syracuse.

 

[orangeinjersey]

Well, you know, it's cold and wintery in the Northeast, so you'd expect all of these programs to have challenges with the weather, and that would impact their offenses.

Imagine the advantage we would have if we could sell kids on playing in a controlled environment like a dome? We could sell the "greatest show on turf".

 

[MikeSU02]

Millhouse - whatever you did to get a hall pass on repetitive posts from the mods, can you let me know? It's impressive.

I want to make sure my lobbying for the "no forward pass offense" doesn't get nuked when I go all in on it.

Just keeping it 100.

*Posted in good fun - no harm intended for everyone that worries about this stuff*

 

[Millhouse]

Here's a couple more:

Navy
39
447.0

Buffalo
50
427.2

Army
96
364.0

West Virginia is ranked #12 in offense, but I don't consider WVU a northeastern school despite its large contingent of New Jersey undergrads. Yes, I agree with you. Northeastern offenses suck. Then again, how many of these schools play at least half their games in reliably warm, dry conditions????

Well, besides Syracuse.

we need to poach UB's QB!

 

[javadoc]

it might seem odd to a syracuse fan but most big time schools play more games at home than not

So why does playing in a controlled environment benefit the offense more than it does the defense? Are there data that prove that?

 

[Millhouse]

So why does playing in a controlled environment benefit the offense more than it does the defense? Are there data that prove that?

water and wind make it hard to throw and catch

 

[OttoinGrotto]

water and wind make it hard to throw and catch

And run after a guy that knows where he's going, but you don't know where he's going.

 

[Millhouse]

fwiw i don't blame the weather for northeast offense being terrible. i blame coaches and fans

 

[OttoForLife]

I don't buy the weather excuse. First, these numbers are current. Most of the NE has not experienced terrible weather yet. Can't sell me that these programs need to be a ground & pound because the last 40% of the schedule may be played in chilly temps.

Secondly, the New England Patriots sure seem to have a functioning passing attack playing in the blustery north east.

 

[Millhouse]

I don't buy the weather excuse. First, these numbers are current. Most of the NE has not experiences terrible weather yet. Can't sell me that these programs need to be a ground & pound because the last 40% of the schedule may be played in chilly temps.

Secondly, the New England Patriots sure seem to have a functioning passing attack playing in the blustery north east.

i think northeastern QBs are way behind before they get to college and weather plays a role there. less practice, dinosaur high school coaches, pop warner guys want to win, don't want some little guy with small hands throwing the ball in the rain

Fridge is helping Rutgers - Gary Nova has really come a long way

qb rating rankings
Rutgers 35
Pittsburgh 39
Massachusetts 54
Maryland 91
Boston College 99
Connecticut 101
Penn State 116
Syracuse 123

 

[Chip]

I would consider West Virginia as northeast. They're a higher latitude than Maryland, and close enough to Pittsburgh.

They're also the model of why northeast schools shouldn't be afraid to play offense. Especially those who play in Domes.

 

[TheCusian]

So why does playing in a controlled environment benefit the offense more than it does the defense? Are there data that prove that?

I've always thought bad weather favors the offense - as defense is primarily reactionary.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

I would consider West Virginia as northeast. They're a higher latitude than Maryland, and close enough to Pittsburgh.

They're also the model of why northeast schools shouldn't be afraid to play offense. Especially those who play in Domes.

The culture of West Virginia is not northeastern, at least it wasn't when I lived there many years ago.

That said, I agree with the point that they are a model as to why schools that normally got cold, wet weather shouldn't be afraid to play offense.

 

[OttoForLife]

How are you defining northeastern QBs? We've had plenty of guys born & raised outside the region come in and underperform.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

How are you defining northeastern QBs? We've had plenty of guys born & raised outside the region come in and underperform.

Several Texas QBs come to mind.

 

[Millhouse]

How are you defining northeastern QBs? We've had plenty of guys born & raised outside the region come in and underperform.

i meant kids that grew up learning how to play QB in the northeast.

i agree we have to go get QBs in other states. states where they throw all the time and play 7 on 7 and throw a lot in spread offenses during the season. i think the best way to get those guys is to run the same type of offense and compare the dome to other northeast stadia.

i think terrel hunt would be amazing if you could put him in a time machine and make him learn in texas as a kid. in new york , he spent a lot of time being awesome at basketball. nassib took a long time to develop. he never threw the ball in high school.

i'm going back a ways but cecil howard was supposed to be so good, he never threw the ball either. years behind.

if we're going to get southern QBs to come here, we have to give them the offense that they want that other northeast schools might not be able to match.

i don't think the dome and the scheme is everything - i hope that all these indoor facilities popping up where people play indoor soccer, lax, etc churn out some good qbs.

 

[PhatOrange]

nobody in the northeast has to deal with poor weather until November so there's that.

 

[FortyFourCT]

Weather has nothing to do with it. The Patriots play in bad weather all the way into January and they have one of the most pass happy (last night not withstanding) offenses of the last 15 years.

Guys like Chip Kelly had to get out of the northeast to implement their systems. No northeast school would hire a guy like that. It is frustrating as hell.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

i agree we have to go get QBs in other states. states where they throw all the time and play 7 on 7 and throw a lot in spread offenses during the season. i think the best way to get those guys is to run the same type of offense and compare the dome to other northeast stadia.

if we're going to get southern QBs to come here, we have to give them the offense that they want that other northeast schools might not be able to match.

i don't think the dome and the scheme is everything - i hope that all these indoor facilities popping up where people play indoor soccer, lax, etc churn out some good qbs.

It's just so funny. On the one hand everyone recognizes that we need some better talent, especially at QB. On the other hand, we resist our program being the type that can tell kids "Son, if you come here you're going to throw the ball 50 times a game in the cozy conditions of a Dome. Did I mention that we're the only P5 school that can say that? You're going to throw the ball so much you're going to need to install an ice machine in your dorm room."

I think a lot of really good QBs would respond to that.

 

[statsgrad]

Amongst teams in the AP top 10, their average rank in passing attempts is 69th out of 125. (median 76.5)

Amongst teams in the AP top 10, their average rank in rushing attempts is 47th out of 125. (median 37.5)

Apparently there are coaches out there that manage to win games in spite of their fondness for running the football.

 

[Millhouse]

Amongst teams in the AP top 10, their average rank in passing attempts is 69th out of 125. (median 76.5) Amongst teams in the AP top 10, their average rank in rushing attempts is 47th out of 125. (median 37.5) Apparently there are coaches out there that manage to win games in spite of their fondness for running the football.

I posted the numbers for total offense and passer rating. I think throwing more would entice southern qbs who'd otherwise prefer to stay in the south

Also teams that are ahead all the time that blow people out have the luxury of running. Causation is often the other way. Stats!