Not all Joe’s turnovers are on him…

[IthacaMatt]

Yes he is turning the ball over at a very high rate, but it’s important to realize that much like in football, if the receiver doesn’t create much separation, every pass becomes much harder.

There were a couple last night where he literally had no where to go with the ball. Lack of Team athleticism hurts all aspects of the game.

It’s a combination of him not being sble to keep his dribble alive well enough to create good passing lanes, and teammates unable to shake their defender.

That dynamic drastically changed when Sy was in. His defender fouled twice, then had to allow separation, which improved Sy’s passing lanes. Now Sy has to take advantage of that better going forward.

Very interesting watching what happens at PG for us.

The one thing I’d like to see is to have Sy come in for Jimmy for a couple possessions and go small. Might be able to generate some better looks offensively when we start to stagnate.

Of course they weren't all his fault, but he made a couple that were pretty bad, including 1 in OT that I remember.

I also wish he would stop taking the 1 on 5 threes without any passes during that possession. Joe is always better when the ball moves first. Whenever he brings it up court and just jacks one, he almost always misses.

 

[kcsu]

What you call lazy, JB called bad decisions in his presser.

JB is spot on.

 

[AZOrange]

His big problem in my opinion is he has to dribble back to basket every time

 

[Eric15]

Kind of in shock that this thread is 2 pages deep and HOFCeluck hasn't made a reference to apple turnovers. Hope he's OK.

 

[Newhouser]

His big problem in my opinion is he has to dribble back to basket every time

I agree and the scouting report is out on a few of our guys who have to turn their back to advance the ball. Buddy is goin to start seeing more weakside help on his backdown, JG3 has a help defender strip him on his back turn at least once a game. Either Jimmy or Cole also had a ball picked as they turned their back to the basket. Its a bad habit.

 

[kuethstheman]

Pitt used this tactic consistently back in the day.

The rule is pretty clear, ... if we do it, it's all good and natural. "Part of the game!"
If FSU or Nova or Georgetown or anyone else in the ACC dares try that maneuver, it is an obvious moving pick and grounds for a two-shot technical, immediate ejection and jail time.

All kidding aside, the rule is pretty clear. The screener has to cause contact for it to be a foul.

 

[IthacaMatt]

His big problem in my opinion is he has to dribble back to basket every time

I guess I'm not seeing the same thing. Last night was one of the first times I remember him turning the should to shield the ball from the defender.

Usually he keeps it right out in front of the defender, counting on his hand-eye quickness to avoid steals (not always successfully).

 

[kcsu]

I agree and the scouting report is out on a few of our guys who have to turn their back to advance the ball. Buddy is goin to start seeing more weakside help on his backdown, JG3 has a help defender strip him on his back turn at least once a game. Either Jimmy or Cole also had a ball picked as they turned their back to the basket. Its a bad habit.

name one good point that backs there way in

 

[Cusefan0307]

name one good point that backs there way in

Mark Jackson

 

[SBU72]

JB did scheme against pressure. At least in my eyes. Watch last night, there were many,many occasions that Swider ran slowly up the court, about 10 feet ahead of Girard. He was essentially his blocking back/fullback. It happened too often for it to be happenstance. I think JimmyIII performed this function a few times, too.

A lot of schoold do this all the time. I offended wondered how they get away with it because the guy IS essentially being a blocking back setting a moving pick. In the front court set a pick and swish your hips outside the boundary of your shoulders and you get called for it. Back court run interference and nada.

 

[dlegend44]

A lot of schoold do this all the time. I offended wondered how they get away with it because the guy IS essentially being a blocking back setting a moving pick. In the front court set a pick and swish your hips outside the boundary of your shoulders and you get called for it. Back court run interference and nada.

I have experience as a referee...a completely thankless job BTW!!! The player is allowed to move down the court at his own pace. If the offensive player intentionally initiates contact with the defender then it is a moving screen. It is considered incidental contact if there is no intent. This is why that off ball player has his back to the defender and raises his hands while slowly moving downcourt at a consistent rate of speed. The NBA wanted to eliminate hard blindside screens on open floor defenders playing pressure defense. This is a much safer and widely accepted tactic for creating space for a ball hander in the backcourt.

 

[SBU72]

I have experience as a referee...a completely thankless job BTW!!! The player is allowed to move down the court at his own pace. If the offensive player intentionally initiates contact with the defender then it is a moving screen. It is considered incidental contact if there is no intent. This is why that off ball player has his back to the defender and raises his hands while slowly moving downcourt at a consistent rate of speed. The NBA wanted to eliminate hard blindside screens on open floor defenders playing pressure defense. This is a much safer and widely accepted tactic for creating space for a ball hander in the backcourt.

I understand what you are saying but at times the offense is clearly using a blocker where the blocker is between the defensive player and the ball handler. This happens for 3/4 court pressure before the defense gets near the ball.