Notre Dame / ACC

[bpo57]

Vehemently. Not violently.

But Kaiser's not vehement, right?

 

[orange79]

But Kaiser's not vehement, right?

Didn't say he wasn't.

 

[bpo57]

Didn't say he wasn't.

You know what's funny about this topic? I've never once brought it up. All I've ever done is react to what I believe is some foolish "analysis" driven by hate.

 

[KaiserUEO]

There should be no reason to delete any of my posts. I'm just expressing my opinion. Yet it annoys you to no end. But how is it I'm expressing myself violently when he's his usual belligerent self?

What was belligerent??

I also believe, a 1 loss Stanford team would've jumped the bevo and this year, okie.

Committee, loves that game.

Don't fight the future.

everybody is on tv, millions more go to college than in the 50s and 60s, subway alums are dying...and people are rooting for a lot of different programs.

Enjoy your tv $$, pretty soon it will looked upon like the back end of a mega million, multi year baseball contract...given to a 30+ year old.

Wha-wa-waaaa

 

[TheCusian]

When ND is good enough to qualify for the F4 they will qualify. Simple as that. If UNC had an additional FBS win they would not have gotten in over OU. You're dreamin'. So I guess conference champions matter some times? ACC was too weak this year. Why the obsession with ND joining the ACC? It's never gonna happen and it certainly wouldn't accrue to SU's benefit if they did join.

1. That's the thing. They may be good enough to get in and win it all. But we won't know if the get left out with 1 loss, 11 games and the make believe independent league championship trophy.

2. If UNC had a win over USF or another middling FBS team instead of the second FCS team AND had won their championship vs Clemson, they'd have gotten in over OU. Why? 12 > 11

3. It's not an obsession. I didn't start the thread. It would be in the ACC's favor financially, it would give ND better access to the playoffs where they might get s chance to "play FOR a championship" rather than just "playing like a champion" ... And it would help all the members financially and help the leagues perception (which would mean that much more to the playoff committee). If Navy joins, you'd get 2 less OOC games. Win for everyone. I'd bet with ND the ACC could get a TV deal that gives each member more money than what ND gets from NBC right now.

 

[bpo57]

What was belligerent??

I also believe, a 1 loss Stanford team would've jumped the bevo and this year, okie.

Committee, loves that game.

Don't fight the future.

everybody is on tv, millions more go to college than in the 50s and 60s, subway alums are dying...and people are rooting for a lot of different programs.

Enjoy your tv $$, pretty soon it will looked upon like the back end of a mega million, multi year baseball contract...given to a 30+ year old.

Wha-wa-waaaa

Bad choice of words. Obnoxious probably fits better.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Lower bowls like playing Ohio State on New Year's Day despite having two losses. What time time does your beloved Utes play this month. LOL. You gotta be one of the only people in the country that thinks that Utah would be anywhere near the draw that ND is. ABC execs would commit hari-kari if the Utes were forced upon them.

Gonna be an awesome lower bowl game, can't wait.

Screw Utah, remind me why I should care about them again??

But I'll watch their even lower bowl too.

I watch em all basically.

 

[bpo57]

1. That's the thing. They may be good enough to get in and win it all. But we won't know if the get left out with 1 loss, 11 games and the make believe independent league championship trophy.

2. If UNC had a win over USF or another middling FBS team instead of the second FCS team AND had won their championship vs Clemson, they'd have gotten in over OU. Why? 12 > 11

3. It's not an obsession. I didn't start the thread. It would be in the ACC's favor financially, it would give ND better access to the playoffs where they might get s chance to "play FOR a championship" rather than just "playing like a champion" ... And it would help all the members financially and help the leagues perception (which would mean that much more to the playoff committee). If Navy joins, you'd get 2 less OOC games. Win for everyone. I'd bet with ND the ACC could get a TV deal that gives each member more money than what ND gets from NBC right now.

We disagree. That's cool.

I will tell you I listen to and read a lot of college football stuff. This is the only forum I've ever encountered that advances this theory that ND will never make the F4 until they join the ACC. Every other time it's how ND will get the benefit of the doubt because they're ND blah blah blah. Heard Herbie, Sean McDonough, Desmond Howard - the list is endless - say it.

 

[TheCusian]

You know what's funny about this topic? I've never once brought it up. All I've ever done is react to what I believe is some foolish "analysis" driven by hate.

What's foolish is an adherence to a tradition that gives you less of a chance to play for a national championship because it allows you to schedule both USC AND Navy.

I wish we had more traditional things sometimes but never at the expense of the one thing that counts more than all the others.

I

 

[bpo57]

Gonna be an awesome lower bowl game, can't wait.

Screw Utah, remind me why I should care about them again??

But I'll watch their even lower bowl too.

I watch em all basically.

I watch em all too. Let's leave it there.

 

[KaiserUEO]

We disagree. That's cool.

I will tell you I listen to and read a lot of college football stuff. This is the only forum I've ever encountered that advances this theory that ND will never make the F4 until they join the ACC. Every other time it's how ND will get the benefit of the doubt because they're ND blah blah blah. Heard Herbie, Sean McDonough, Desmond Howard - the list is endless - say it.

Well, the committee was moving them down after a W.

They seem to be a little slow to see and understand how the committee works and thinks. It's a new world order.

They think its the ap poll or something.

 

[bpo57]

What's foolish is an adherence to a tradition that gives you less of a chance to play for a national championship because it allows you to schedule both USC AND Navy.

I wish we had more traditional things sometimes but never at the expense of the one thing that counts more than all the others.

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ND's goal is to win the national championship every year. It's been that way for decades even if some years it was not at all realistic. You have your theory but we'll never know if it's valid until it is tested. Last two years it has not been tested.

 

[bpo57]

Well, the committee was moving them down after a W.

They seem to be a little slow to see and understand how the committee works and thinks. It's a new world order.

They think its the ap poll or something.

Understandably it was a horrible W. On the other hand they lost to Stanford and barely budged. Go figure.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Understandably it was a horrible W. On the other hand they lost to Stanford and barely budged. Go figure.

All the 2 loss teams bunched up.

And, Well, that would've been fun.

The doomsday scenario of them getting in was both Clemson and Bama losing.

Then you get okie, the b1g champ, likely Ohio St...then either Stanford with a win (I say yes and they're out) or does unc jump them?

I say unc jumps them.

Guess we will have to table this...

 

[TheCusian]

We disagree. That's cool. I will tell you I listen to and read a lot of college football stuff. This is the only forum I've ever encountered that advances this theory that ND will never make the F4 until they join the ACC. Every other time it's how ND will get the benefit of the doubt because they're ND blah blah blah. Heard Herbie, Sean McDonough, Desmond Howard - the list is endless - say it.

I think the committee has decided to do it right, leaving or trying to leave bias at the door.

I also think that bowl committees care about that soooo much and have trained us to think bigger name, more fans over smaller name less fans that this beauty contest mentality takes over. The committee has done a good job at not falling into that trap.

 

[bpo57]

All the 2 loss teams bunched up.

And, Well, that would've been fun.

The doomsday scenario of them getting in was both Clemson and Bama losing.

Then you get okie, the b1g champ, likely Ohio St...then either Stanford with a win (I say yes and they're out) or does unc jump them?

I say unc jumps them.

Guess we will have to table this...

There is a lot of parity in college football. That's one thing I like about the bowls is watching the different conferences square off and seeing who is overrated and underrated.

ND fell short because their defense couldn't make critical stops. Nobody (except themselves with TOs) stopped their offense all year long. They rolled up and down the field on Stanford, whose D wasn't up to past versions.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I think the committee has decided to do it right, leaving or trying to leave bias at the door.

I also think that bowl committees care about that soooo much and have trained us to think bigger name, more fans over smaller name less fans that this beauty contest mentality takes over. The committee has done a good job at not falling into that trap.

Yep.

Apparently we are the only board and people who don't think the committee is corrupt.

Either that, or the people talking are meatheads and just lazy about their jobs..

This is people in a room deciding, not a blind vote...

 

[bpo57]

I think the committee has decided to do it right, leaving or trying to leave bias at the door.

I also think that bowl committees care about that soooo much and have trained us to think bigger name, more fans over smaller name less fans that this beauty contest mentality takes over. The committee has done a good job at not falling into that trap.

And that's a good thing. I think they should pick the four best teams and so far it looks like they've done that. And that means in the future don't select a conference champion just because they're a conference champion. They need to be one of the four best teams because of their performance on the field not because they won a conference, particularly if that conference is weak.

 

[Stern]

I also think that bowl committees care about that soooo much and have trained us to think bigger name, more fans over smaller name less fans that this beauty contest mentality takes over. The committee has done a good job at not falling into that trap.

Ohio St lost by 2 touchdowns at home last year to a bad VT team who was 6-6 and 3-5 in their conference. TCU lost on the road to a 1 loss Baylor ranked in the Top 10. Both teams ended the year with 1 loss. Yet Ohio St got in over Baylor...and your gonna sit there with a straight face and say the committee doesn't care about big names. You can't be serious.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Ohio St lost by 2 touchdowns at home last year to a bad VT team who was 6-6 and 3-5 in their conference. TCU lost on the road to a 1 loss Baylor ranked in the Top 10. Both teams ended the year with 1 loss. Yet Ohio St got in over Baylor...and your gonna sit there with a straight face and say the committee doesn't care about big names. You can't be serious.

Ohio St kicked the living bejesus out of wisky in the b1g champ game.

So yeah, they jumped an idle, crappy bevo team who didn't have another ame to prove their worth.

Nothing to do with 'big names'.

 

[Stern]

Ohio St kicked the living bejesus out of wisky in the b1g champ game.

So yeah, they jumped an idle, crappy bevo team who didn't have another ame to prove their worth.

Nothing to do with 'big names'.

You clearly didn't look at Ohio St's schedule last year. It was awful. They had 1 good win all year...Mich St. Hell they needed OT to beat Penn St. TCU's last 2 games they won by a combined score of 103-13. But again, it was close between 2 schools and the committee went with the "big name" that will draw bigger ratings and revenue ... like they always will.

 

[bpo57]

You clearly didn't look at Ohio St's schedule last year. It was awful. They had 1 good win all year...Mich St. Hell they needed OT to beat Penn St. TCU's last 2 games they won by a combined score of 103-13. But again, it was close between 2 schools and the committee went with the "big name" that will draw bigger ratings and revenue ... like they always will.

You'd have to have fallen off the turnip truck not to think the OSU "brand" was not at least a contributing factor in that decision. Not to also mention the fact that the B1G Commissioner is the most powerful guy in college sports.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

Does ND get all the Fiesta money to themselves ?

 

[KaiserUEO]

The bevo sucked as well.

All of it.

But yes, thanks for bringing up my other point...that conferences, such as the b1g with their champ game and muscle...get in over non champ game conf teams.

 

[TheCusian]

And that's a good thing. I think they should pick the four best teams and so far it looks like they've done that. And that means in the future don't select a conference champion just because they're a conference champion. They need to be one of the four best teams because of their performance on the field not because they won a conference, particularly if that conference is weak.

It's not so much conference champ vs non (though that does mean something). It's 12 > 11.