Notre Dame / ACC

[SmilinBob]

Notre Dame could make more money in Big Ten it is a fact. They hate the conference and Michigan for blackballing them in the 1930's.
ND would likely make more money in the ACC because it cause a channel to be formed.

ND doesn't care about money as the end all be all they leave a few million on the table and get to remain independent.

Only way they join a conference is if the Big Ten forces them into the ACC and that makes zero sense and won't happen.

I wonder if this is why the Big is so adamant about the ACC and Big 12 picking who plays in their own championship...ND? They don't want to give an inch and take a chance that the Irish would go all in.

 

[Alsacs]

I wonder if this is why the Big is so adamant about the ACC and Big 12 picking who plays in their own championship...ND? They don't want to give an inch and take a chance that the Irish would go all in.

Big Ten doesn't want to allow the ACC to have no divisions. They don't want the conference to allow Florida State and Clemson play in the Championship game without being in separate divisions.

That would pressure the Big Ten to follow suit and force Ohio State/Michigan/Michigan State/Penn State to potentially play each other twice in a year. The Big Ten hated having Michigan/Ohio State in separate divisions for that reason. The Big Ten wants uniformity so their big boys don't play multiple times. The Big Ten needed Nebraska and Wisconsin to carry a weaker division. Now Iowa did it this year but the Big Ten doesn't want the imbalanced East to be forced to copy the ACC's idea of 3+5+5 in the future.

The Big XII is easy the Big Ten expanded to 14 and doesn't want to let a 10 team conference have a CCG to have its cake and eat it as well.

None of this CCG stuff from the Big Ten is about ND at all. They want to force the status quo on divisions for a CCG to prevent the ACC from getting se xier TV matchups on CCG Saturday.

 

[SmilinBob]

But a 3+3+5 is way more attractive to ND than divisions 6+2. I agree with what you wrote but I have to disagree that ND isn't on the Big 10's mind.

 

[KaiserUEO]

the conferences will do what is best for the conferences.

nd will do what is best for nd.

the committee will do what is best for the conferences.

nd will be on the outside of an 8 team playoff for a decade too.

they are done.

they dont care.

so i dont.

 

[TheCusian]

But they don't want to be in a conference. So why take "slightly less" or equal money to join a conference? They have their cake and are eating it too at this point, no reason to change. And if NBC for some odd reason went away or doesn't want to renew at some point down the road, you would have a long line of networks willing to give them the same deal on the condition they DON'T join a conference.

Because they won't ever get into the playoff (and that $) as a one loss team.

 

[Alsacs]

But a 3+3+5 is way more attractive to ND than divisions 6+2. I agree with what you wrote but I have to disagree that ND isn't on the Big 10's mind.

The Big Ten knows ND will never join its conference. This CCG stuff is all about preventing the ACC from getting se xy CCG matchups and hurting the Big Ten in the ratings book.

ND will never be allowed by the ACC to play in its CCG without 8 conference games. It would cause a rebellion. ND will stay indy and play 5 ACC games a year if they would commit fully ND could probably pick the 16th school and sit down with UNC/FSU/UVA/Duke and draw up the divisions however they want.

The 3+3+5 model is a divisionless formation that allows all 14 teams to play home/home over 4 years and still have a CCG game without divisions. The Big Ten sees the threat in that format. That FSU/Clemson could play in the CCG a lot more frequently and give the ACC good CCG ratings and drama. They don't want to force Ohio State/Michigan into the same kinda circumstance. While the ACC could lose some teams in a CFB playoff it would help the conference by having a premiere CCG matchup every year.

I don't get where you see ND involved here I would to hear it as you could be right.

 

[SmilinBob]

3/3/5 helps ND play the X amount of schools they want plus would keep the ACC at 15 instead of having to add Navy. I'm not saying ND will join just that the Big 10 does NOT want them to and very much so at that. What you wrote I'm sure plays a part but there's no way the Big 10 isn't thinking of ND in this as part of the equation.

 

[Stern]

I just see the playoff committee ultimately making it a stipulation that you need to be in a conference to compete in the playoff. It won't be a decision, it will be a forced decision.

If they do, it won't be till 2026! And I don't see the playoff committee ever doing thing. You forget, the playoff committee wants Notre Dame, they don't want to make it tougher on Notre Dame.

Because they won't ever get into the playoff (and that $) as a one loss team.

The contract for the playoff is set till 2025, it ain't changing any time soon. And odd are in 10 years when it is re-done, the landscape of college football and conferences will have changed dramatically again. ND will always come out smelling like roses, they won't be forced into anything.

 

[Stern]

Only way they join a conference is if the Big Ten forces them into the ACC and that makes zero sense and won't happen.

I have read stories and heard knowledgeable people state who report on this stuff for a living say that ND wants no part of the Big 10 and if they ever join (which is remote and will never happen, but if they did) it would be the ACC. ND's Olympic sports are a better fit in the ACC than Big 10.

 

[WoadBlue]

But a 3+3+5 is way more attractive to ND than divisions 6+2. I agree with what you wrote but I have to disagree that ND isn't on the Big 10's mind.

The Big Ten thinks about ND everyday. The Big Ten is scared shitless of the possibility of ND as a full football member of the ACC, and the BT will continue to try to disturb the ACC to prevent that ever happening. The BT blocking the ACC from being able to schedule as we want and arrange a championship game as we want is tossing trouble at the ACC.

The BT ultimate wet dream is to cause enough trouble for the ACC that somebody of merit (and Maryland was not remotely close to that distinction) leaves for assumed greener pastures. An ACC that loses status in either revenue sport becomes much less appealing to ND. And then the BT hopes to 'persuade' ND to go Big Midwest.

I doubt that Swarbrick and even big time football boosters are naive enough to think that the BT is not so devious, nor should any of them be naive enough to think that ND can ever again go truly independent in football. Either ND is part of ACC football. or it is going to be part of BT football.

So, if ND is filed with hubris, as its detractors assert and hope is true, it may fool fart around for too long and allow the BT enough time to cause ND great trouble for the future. l

 

[storange]

ND doesn't care about money
I keep hearing they can make more money in a conference in this thread. I would like to see those figures. Nobody has them because you can't project exactly whats going to happen but if thye didn't care about money as the bottom line they would have been in a conference long ago IMO. And ND anyway I hate talking about them im done

 

[Alsacs]

3/3/5 helps ND play the X amount of schools they want plus would keep the ACC at 15 instead of having to add Navy. I'm not saying ND will join just that the Big 10 does NOT want them to and very much so at that. What you wrote I'm sure plays a part but there's no way the Big 10 isn't thinking of ND in this as part of the equation.

If ND got on board you would likely see the ACC go to 16 teams. Create four 4 team pods and rotate the pods each year and have a CCG like that. You would play your pod/another pod and one more team each year.

 

[Alsacs]

The Big Ten thinks about ND everyday. The Big Ten is scared shitless of the possibility of ND as a full football member of the ACC, and the BT will continue to try to disturb the ACC to prevent that ever happening. The BT blocking the ACC from being able to schedule as we want and arrange a championship game as we want is tossing trouble at the ACC.

The BT ultimate wet dream is to cause enough trouble for the ACC that somebody of merit (and Maryland was not remotely close to that distinction) leaves for assumed greener pastures. An ACC that loses status in either revenue sport becomes much less appealing to ND. And then the BT hopes to 'persuade' ND to go Big Midwest.

I doubt that Swarbrick and even big time football boosters are naive enough to think that the BT is not so devious, nor should any of them be naive enough to think that ND can ever again go truly independent in football. Either ND is part of ACC football. or it is going to be part of BT football.

So, if ND is filed with hubris, as its detractors assert and hope is true, it may fool fart around for too long and allow the BT enough time to cause ND great trouble for the future. l

As long as UVA/UNC/GT say no to the Big Ten and they all have the B1G can't poach an ACC team.

ND 5/8s a member of the ACC and that is likely as close to as they will ever get unless the Big Ten forces them into the ACC fully which I doubt they will.

 

[bpo57]

They wouldn't have got in with a win over Stanford.

The recruiting thing is a myth. Kids would play for ND regardless. It's 2015. ESPN exists. You can watch any team play anywhere.

By joining the ACC, they'd still have 4 games to play in whatever venue they'd want play.

The only arguments that make sense are $ and strict adherence to tradition.

What are the arguments for joining the ACC?

How do you think UNC would have fared if they beat Clemson the other night? Consensus opinion nearly across the board was they would not have made the F4. They would have been undefeated in the ACC and ACC champs yet they would have not made the F4.

Meanwhile Clemson put themselves in jeopardy by having to play that conference championship game (they were bounced if they lost) while Oklahoma sat back comfortably and knew they were in despite not playing that "extra game." And what if ND was in the same division as Clemson this season? They would have been effectively walled off from making the F4 even with that lone loss.

The cookie can crumble a lot of different ways as we've seen in the last two years. The supposed benefits to joining the ACC for ND pale in comparison to the benefits (having your own TV network and TV deal, being a national team recruiting wise and playing traditional opponents -they have an understanding with Navy that runs in perpetuity) of remaining independent. ND wasn't good enough to make the F4 this year. When they're good enough they'll get in. What hurt them as much as losing to Stanford was the poor showing against BC with 5 TOs in BC territory. If they had stomped BC like they should have and then beaten Stanford they would have been in. But they weren't good enough to get it done.

 

[bpo57]

Never ever is probably a bad bet with ND. They have already given a little w the guaranteed ACC games. I have no doubt in my lifetime we will see 8 playoff teams and ND in a conference. It could be when i'm 80 but i'm not going to bet on where tv is going in the next 20 years with streaming, etc. The entire landscape is changing. 8 playoff teams vs the conf championships will probably b the waterloo.

If ND joins a conference it is far more likely that they'd join the Big 10 than the ACC. But that invitation has been open for decades and they've passed on it.

 

[bpo57]

NBC has nothing to do with ND not joining a conference. ABC/ESPN would put their games whatever time ND wanted.

Notre Dame will never join a conference fully EVER unless it becomes mandated by NCAA/P5 rules to be eligible for the CFB playoffs.

The SEC/Pac12 don't care about ND. Big XII has no power. The ACC/B1G want ND. ND wants nothing to do with the B1G. So the B1G prefers the status quo rather than pushing ND to the ACC and making them more powerful.

Unless the B1G decides it wants ND in the ACC and hates Independence that much the P5/NCAA will never mandate teams be in a conference.

ND needs to go 12-0 to be in the CFB playoff. 11-1 and 4 conference champions with equal resumes they aren't getting in.

I agree with most of what you say except would note that teams rarely have equal resumes. That's why they have a committee of 12 people to sort that out. Perfect example: UNC would have been left out if they won the other night even though they would have been undefeated in the ACC and ACC champions.

 

[bpo57]

If they do, it won't be till 2026! And I don't see the playoff committee ever doing thing. You forget, the playoff committee wants Notre Dame, they don't want to make it tougher on Notre Dame.


The contract for the playoff is set till 2025, it ain't changing any time soon. And odd are in 10 years when it is re-done, the landscape of college football and conferences will have changed dramatically again. ND will always come out smelling like roses, they won't be forced into anything.

Stern - re your response to elimu- some of these guys will never get it. They think somebody like Utah is more desirable than ND in the F4. LOL.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Stern - re your response to elimu- some of these guys will never get it. They think somebody like Utah is more desirable than ND in the F4. LOL.

13-0 or 12-1 utah winning the pac12 champ??

game set match.

nd watches.

 

[44PRIDE]

Currently NBC pays ND approx $21m per season. However, I'd be willing to bet that if the ND contract went to open market, they could easily make $30m per season for their football product alone.

 

[Alsacs]

If ND joins a conference it is far more likely that they'd join the Big 10 than the ACC. But that invitation has been open for decades and they've passed on it.

Um no. Notre Dame WILL NEVER JOIN the Big Ten. Michigan blackballed them and ND has never forgot that.
If ND has to join either the Big Ten or ACC it will be 100% ACC ask any ND fan and they will say the same.

 

[TheCusian]

What are the arguments for joining the ACC? How do you think UNC would have fared if they beat Clemson the other night? Consensus opinion nearly across the board was they would not have made the F4. They would have been undefeated in the ACC and ACC champs yet they would have not made the F4. Meanwhile Clemson put themselves in jeopardy by having to play that conference championship game (they were bounced if they lost) while Oklahoma sat back comfortably and knew they were in despite not playing that "extra game." And what if ND was in the same division as Clemson this season? They would have been effectively walled off from making the F4 even with that lone loss. The cookie can crumble a lot of different ways as we've seen in the last two years. The supposed benefits to joining the ACC for ND pale in comparison to the benefits (having your own TV network and TV deal, being a national team recruiting wise and playing traditional opponents -they have an understanding with Navy that runs in perpetuity) of remaining independent. ND wasn't good enough to make the F4 this year. When they're good enough they'll get in. What hurt them as much as losing to Stanford was the poor showing against BC with 5 TOs in BC territory. If they had stomped BC like they should have and then beaten Stanford they would have been in. But they weren't good enough to get it done.

If ND were about maximizing their chances at playing in the playoffs the easiest route is through the ACC.

UNC screwed themselves by playing 2 FCS teams. But had they played any P5 program instead of 1 FCS, they jump Oklahoma on merit.

If ND were added to the ACC for football, they'd go 4 pods (hat tip to Alsacs). If they didn't do that they'd put them in the coastal and get Navy or (gag) UCONN/WVU to play in the Atlantic.

You're wrong on ND this season and any season. A 1 loss ND team won't hop over any conference champ, but especially one who plays in a conference title game.

 

[SU68]

Um no. Notre Dame WILL NEVER JOIN the Big Ten. Michigan blackballed them and ND has never forgot that.
If ND has to join either the Big Ten or ACC it will be 100% ACC ask any ND fan and they will say the same.

By contract, the only conference that ND can join is the ACC (through 2027).

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

UNC screwed themselves by playing 2 FCS teams.

They can't really be blamed for the second FCS .They had a P5 scheduled that backed out.

 

[TerryD]

I just see the playoff committee ultimately making it a stipulation that you need to be in a conference to compete in the playoff. It won't be a decision, it will be a forced decision.

There is absolutely no evidence, rumor nor indication that the playoffs will go to conference champs only.

 

[TerryD]

The Big Ten thinks about ND everyday. The Big Ten is scared shitless of the possibility of ND as a full football member of the ACC, and the BT will continue to try to disturb the ACC to prevent that ever happening. The BT blocking the ACC from being able to schedule as we want and arrange a championship game as we want is tossing trouble at the ACC.

The BT ultimate wet dream is to cause enough trouble for the ACC that somebody of merit (and Maryland was not remotely close to that distinction) leaves for assumed greener pastures. An ACC that loses status in either revenue sport becomes much less appealing to ND. And then the BT hopes to 'persuade' ND to go Big Midwest.

I doubt that Swarbrick and even big time football boosters are naive enough to think that the BT is not so devious, nor should any of them be naive enough to think that ND can ever again go truly independent in football. Either ND is part of ACC football. or it is going to be part of BT football.

So, if ND is filed with hubris, as its detractors assert and hope is true, it may fool fart around for too long and allow the BT enough time to cause ND great trouble for the future. l

ND doesn't think that the ACC will be raided enough for the conference to disappear. IF a few teams are lost, ND figures that it can keep its deal (maybe improve on it?) with a weakened, backfilled ACC.