Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly " on Irish scheduling outside of ACC: 'You're really limited'"

[WoadBlue]

Yeah the ACC isn't worried about the B1G right now, but they are aware the B1G tried to gut the conference. Obviously they failed, but the real future war is the B1G vs SEC.

I agree about the football problem. I think 16 is better than 14, but I think all expansion is done right now except maybe the Big XII adding BYU and one to three from Cincinnati, Central Florida, South Florida, UConn. The B1G would love to add 2 from the ACC or Big XII but its not happening right now.

Once the NCAA allows divisions to be de-emphaized for conference title games the 3+5+5 plan is likely to be discussed to fix the scheduling issue.

If I was the ACC I would offer Navy the Notre Dame deal for football. 5 games against ACC teams and give the ACC TV control of the Navy vs Notre Dame Navy home games. The ACC would get a team that would prepare teams for Georgia Tech and Navy could have access to all the ACC bowl games except the Orange Bowl.

I have said for years that if ND were to agree to join ACC football fully as long as we added Navy, so ND vs. Navy would be a conference game, then Navy would be in the ACC.

And I love the idea of Navy in ACC lacrosse.

The reasonable arguments against my Navy case said that MD is too small a state to have 2 schools in - UMD gone Big Midwest eliminates that objection. Navy in ACC football would mean we have a team in the DC TV market, a team with more national TV drawing power than Twerp football.

But there is 0 chance we add Navy before ND makes the leap.

As for scheduling

 

[Scooch]

Yeah the ACC isn't worried about the B1G right now, but they are aware the B1G tried to gut the conference. Obviously they failed, but the real future war is the B1G vs SEC.

Why do you think this? Aside from ego (and granted, in college sports that is a driver in a lot of the decision making process) how will the B1G and SEC be at "war"?

 

[Alsacs]

Why do you think this? Aside from ego (and granted, in college sports that is a driver in a lot of the decision making process) how will the B1G and SEC be at "war"?

B1G wants to win NCs and right now the SEC has the hammer on the NC right now. Delany and Slive don't like each other and the SEC obviously saw the success the B1G has had with its BTN and is finally getting its own network. The SEC is aligned with ESPN and B1G/BTN is aligned with FOX. Those two outlets are competitors. The biggest college conference for ESPN is the SEC and its obvious B1G is going to align with FOX. Therefore, the future war is between the SEC and B1G for college sports superiority. The B1G has good basketball and historically good football while the SEC is the dominant football conference and ESPN will use the ACC to for college basketball against the B1G.

Also, Delany wanted to restrict the college playoff to conference champions so the SEC could only theoretically send 1 team to the playoffs, but Slive was able to get the other commissioners to agree to just the top 4 overall and not restrict it to just conference champions. The SEC and B1G are going to be dominant conferences of the future. The ACC and Pac-12 could challenge them, but they both would need multiple teams winning the NC in football. The B1G honestly has lost a lot of power in this BCS era, but the brains of Delany to create the BTN has kept them as a top 2 conference because their football has really sucked outside of Ohio State recently.

 

[Alsacs]

If GT fires Paul Johnson, does the Navy deal end on the spot?

Even if GT fires Johnson 5 games against Navy wouldn't be the worst thing for the ACC.

Annapolis is a beautiful campus and it would keep the ACC in Maryland.

Also, it would give the ACC's TV partner ESPN another Notre Dame game for ratings and make them happy.

 

[Chip]

Even if GT fires Johnson 5 games against Navy wouldn't be the worst thing for the ACC.

Annapolis is a beautiful campus and it would keep the ACC in Maryland.

Also, it would give the ACC's TV partner ESPN another Notre Dame game for ratings and make them happy.

Navy's campus is certainly beautiful, hard to imagine many in this country that compete with it from that standpoint. But where they play their football games, not so much. I mean, it's a nice neighborhood (not as nice since I moved out of it last year), but it's a residential neighborhood that's over a mile away from the campus and water. That doesn't include the fact that Navy moves all their bigger games to Baltimore.

Adding a football only like Navy just isn't going to happen. Ever. It's not what the ACC is about. And I'm glad. The deal they gave ND is about as unique as they'll get, and only one school in the country would get such a deal.

 

[Indytarheel]

I don't think ND is a question. I believe when this deal was made, it was set up for ND to transition into becoming a full time member of the ACC after a couple of seasons. The larger question is when Texas will join the conference.

 

[WoadBlue]

Navy's campus is certainly beautiful, hard to imagine many in this country that compete with it from that standpoint. But where they play their football games, not so much. I mean, it's a nice neighborhood (not as nice since I moved last year), but it's a residential neighborhood that's over a mile away from the campus and water. That discounts the fact that Navy moves all their bigger games to Baltimore.

Adding a football only like Navy just isn't going to happen. Ever. It's not what the ACC is about. And I'm glad. The deal they gave ND is about as unique as they'll get, and only one school in the country would get such a deal.

If ND says it will go full member in football if we add Navy for football (and lacrosse), the Middies will be added to the ACC.

Other than that, Navy has no shot.

 

[UNC Blue]

If ND says it will go full member in football if we add Navy for football (and lacrosse), the Middies will be added to the ACC.

Other than that, Navy has no shot.

Again, PSU and Texas have never stopped having friendly "what if" conversations with the ACC.

The ACC expanding will be determined by:

1) ND and what she does.
2) How the talks with PSU/Texas go.

Many scenarios have came up involving those 3 schools. A combination of any of those 3 are the prizes that the ACC could end up with.

 

[WoadBlue]

Again, PSU and Texas have never stopped having friendly "what if" conversations with the ACC.

The ACC expanding will be determined by:

1) ND and what she does.
2) How the talks with PSU/Texas go.

Many scenarios have came up involving those 3 schools. A combination of any of those 3 are the prizes that the ACC could end up with.

I think the unofficial friendly chats with Texas have continued. Penn St I think has made its bed.

ND as a full football member would be so valuable that if the Irish want Navy to make the leap, we will take Navy.

 

[UNC Blue]

I think the unofficial friendly chats with Texas have continued. Penn St I think has made its bed.

ND as a full football member would be so valuable that if the Irish want Navy to make the leap, we will take Navy.

I was told in Dec/Jan ( during bowl season ) that PSU was still talking to the ACC. I haven't heard anything since then.

 

[Alsacs]

Penn State is off the table. The B1G gave them 2 tomato cans to kick around in football Rutgers/Maryland now and even though their fanbase hates Delany those games will appease them enough not to make the move.

Texas because of Longhorn Network/ESPN is always going to look at ESPN controlled networks if they decided to make a move. That would be the 1. ACC and 2. SEC I doubt Pac-12 or B1G would be threats because of the LHN and ESPN relationship. If Texas decided to leave the Bevo the Notre Dame agreement with the ACC makes the most sense.

5 games with ACC teams, Red River rivalry game with Oklahoma, 2-3 games against Rice, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, UT-San Antonio, Texas State, 3 other games and Texas could have access to the ACC bowls and would obviously bring new bowl with them and play in the ACC for basketball and all other sports.

This would keep Texas/LHN/ESPN happy and would give the ACC more power.

 

[HtownOrange]

Penn State is off the table. The B1G gave them 2 tomato cans to kick around in football Rutgers/Maryland now and even though their fanbase hates Delany those games will appease them enough not to make the move.

Texas because of Longhorn Network/ESPN is always going to look at ESPN controlled networks if they decided to make a move. That would be the 1. ACC and 2. SEC I doubt Pac-12 or B1G would be threats because of the LHN and ESPN relationship. If Texas decided to leave the Bevo the Notre Dame agreement with the ACC makes the most sense.

5 games with ACC teams, Red River rivalry game with Oklahoma, 2-3 games against Rice, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, UT-San Antonio, Texas State, 3 other games and Texas could have access to the ACC bowls and would obviously bring new bowl with them and play in the ACC for basketball and all other sports.

This would keep Texas/LHN/ESPN happy and would give the ACC more power.

Just adding info. The UT fans I know would never join the SEC. One reason for forcing the Big 12 on TAMU back in teh 90's was to stop the SEC from benefiting as much as keeping an old rival around. Recall that UT views OU as its main and most important rival. TAMU was #2 on the most important rivals list. TAMU saw Arkansas as their #1 rival (which is part of the reason they wanted in the SEC), then TCU at #2 (until the SWAC fell apart) and then Texas at #3.

I agree that the Longhorn network influences Texas outlook and that the ACC would be target #1. Probably a ND type of deal wherein they keep the LHN. However, if the TV big boys will pay the Big 12 to stay in business, they will stay put. Just my guess.

 

[Btstimpy]

Penn State is off the table. The B1G gave them 2 tomato cans to kick around in football Rutgers/Maryland now and even though their fanbase hates Delany those games will appease them enough not to make the move.

Texas because of Longhorn Network/ESPN is always going to look at ESPN controlled networks if they decided to make a move. That would be the 1. ACC and 2. SEC I doubt Pac-12 or B1G would be threats because of the LHN and ESPN relationship. If Texas decided to leave the Bevo the Notre Dame agreement with the ACC makes the most sense.

5 games with ACC teams, Red River rivalry game with Oklahoma, 2-3 games against Rice, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, UT-San Antonio, Texas State, 3 other games and Texas could have access to the ACC bowls and would obviously bring new bowl with them and play in the ACC for basketball and all other sports.

This would keep Texas/LHN/ESPN happy and would give the ACC more power.

I don't get how that would work since the ACC Channel will mostly fill its content with the same stuff that the LHN would want minus all the Texas practices and coaches shows.

I personally don't like the idea of allowing Texas in for 5 games. Have them come in for 8 games. Realizing that they would want local games, have them bring 4 friends and take the league to 20 with Notre Dame also playing 8 games. I would limit the friends to just 1 other Texas school, Baylor or Texas Tech. They have friends in Oklahoma, Kanas, and Louisiana too.

 

[Btstimpy]

I was told in Dec/Jan ( during bowl season ) that PSU was still talking to the ACC. I haven't heard anything since then.

Penn State just got a new President this month. He happens to have a lot of familiarity with the ACC. He is the recent former President of Forida State. He will probably hire a new Athletics Director at Penn State. There really isn't a driving factor for Penn State to change other than demographic trends in the country. Having served in Florida, Eric Barron would be a man to be informed about them.

Without knowing anything about his opinion of the ACC, it would be hard to forecast what he would be thinking. But you can count on the fact that Eric Barron has heard every sales pitch the John Swofford can make. He did so in his capacity at Florida State.

 

[UNC Blue]

Penn State just got a new President this month. He happens to have a lot of familiarity with the ACC. He is the recent former President of Forida State. He will probably hire a new Athletics Director at Penn State. There really isn't a driving factor for Penn State to change other than demographic trends in the country. Having served in Florida, Eric Barron would be a man to be informed about them.

Without knowing anything about his opinion of the ACC, it would be hard to forecast what he would be thinking.

Barron was disliked by some FSU fans because he is such an ACC cheerleader. He is in love with the ACC, and that was common knowledge long before PSU hired him.

 

[Alsacs]

I don't get how that would work since the ACC Channel will mostly fill its content with the same stuff that the LHN would want minus all the Texas practices and coaches shows.

I personally don't like the idea of allowing Texas in for 5 games. Have them come in for 8 games. Realizing that they would want local games, have them bring 4 friends and take the league to 20 with Notre Dame also playing 8 games. I would limit the friends to just 1 other Texas school, Baylor or Texas Tech. They have friends in Oklahoma, Kanas, and Louisiana too.

ACC channel is only happening if ESPN works with the conference. ESPN has already invested in the LHN and if the Longhorns had the Notre Dame deal its a win/win for ESPN/ACC. It gives ESPN control of basically almost every Texas game either with the ACC or Texas controlled and it prevents them from moving to a Fox conference and the ACC gets games against a very good opponent and their other sports are all good to decent for the conference.

 

[Scooch]

I was told in Dec/Jan ( during bowl season ) that PSU was still talking to the ACC. I haven't heard anything since then.

No one's switching P5 conferences anytime soon when they don't bring their media rights with them for another decade-plus.

 

[HtownOrange]

Barron was disliked by some FSU fans because he is such an ACC cheerleader. He is in love with the ACC, and that was common knowledge long before PSU hired him.

Barron was well liked by fans that matter and by faculty. He knew the SEC was a fall back only if the ACC fell apart, so he did not bur bridges, but he knew the ACC was a much better place for FSU academically and athletically. Recall that FSU originally was offered the SEC but chose the ACC over the ACC because of academics, back when they joined the ACC. A few rogue fans and a Trustee with an ego fitting for Texas were the ones who demanded the SEC.

Barron knows how to play the games and knows all the sales angles. Delaney will either get a great ally or have his work cut out for him. I would not complain if he was easing PSU to the ACC, especially if ND or Texas is along for the ride.

 

[UNC Blue]

Barron was well liked by fans that matter and by faculty. He knew the SEC was a fall back only if the ACC fell apart, so he did not bur bridges, but he knew the ACC was a much better place for FSU academically and athletically. Recall that FSU originally was offered the SEC but chose the ACC over the ACC because of academics, back when they joined the ACC. A few rogue fans and a Trustee with an ego fitting for Texas were the ones who demanded the SEC.

Barron knows how to play the games and knows all the sales angles. Delaney will either get a great ally or have his work cut out for him. I would not complain if he was easing PSU to the ACC, especially if ND or Texas is along for the ride.

I think you mean Big-12 instead of SEC? ( though FSU did turn down the SEC to come into the ACC, they were being courted by the Big-12 this last go round. )

 

[HtownOrange]

I think you mean Big-12 instead of SEC? ( though FSU did turn down the SEC to come into the ACC, they were being courted by the Big-12 this last go round. )

The Rogue Board Member and rabid fans wanted in the SEC. Barron was not actively pursuing the SEC but knew that would be better than the Big 12 (location, under UT thumb).