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Got it. Seems risky to me, especially if I was a lower-tier bowl.Nobody does right now. I was just asking peoples thoughts.
Got it. Seems risky to me, especially if I was a lower-tier bowl.Nobody does right now. I was just asking peoples thoughts.
ND and the ACC will no doubt decide what makes sense from their perspective. The ACC has been around the block with ND in 2003 and no doubt recently.
Why should the ACC offer ND a conditional option to join full time in "2024-2026" or a "10 year ultimatum": ND will probably counter and ask for a 50 year ultimatum.
How does adding ND for BB help FSU in football? (Of course, FSU has already lost this year to Wake and Clemson.)
If ND joins the ACC and agrees to play 3-5 games, how will the other ACC teams feel when ND picks and chooses the games it wants to play???????
Could a bowl, or bowls, not set up an agreement with 2 conferences? Say the Champs Bowl. Could they have a contract with the ACC to take their #2 team while leaving the opponent TBD thus allowing them to take anyone including an indie such as ND?
I don't see the harm in offering ND the following...
-You can join in all sports but FB as soon as you can get out of the BE (27 months or sooner).
-Once you join the ACC, after 10 years your FB team will join as well. But that certainly can be sooner.
-You can leave at any time for the exit fee of $20 million. If you do not bring the FB team after 10 years you must leave the conference for all sports and owe $20 million.
-You must play 4 games a year vs ACC teams in FB OOC. You can play Pitt and BC every year. The rest have to be home and home games not to exceed two games per team. That means over the 10 year period, 10 or the 12 other ACC teams will get a home and home with ND. So most likely Clemson and VT will be left out.
-Since the ACC TV contract is for all sports and isn't broken down by FB vs BBall, the ACC will pay ND a flat fee.
-ND will not have voting rights until they are a full member. They can offer input but have to leave the room when a vote happens.
There really isn't much risk to this offer for the ACC. Having a stronger tie with ND will make them more likely to one day join in FB. If ND declines then the ACC can keep communication open with ND until they finally decide to join a conference.
ND needs a home for BBall, Lax, Baseball, and Soccer. The best spot for those is the ACC. And FB is the best end spot as well since ND will have an easier time competing vs the B1G. There isn't a risk to joining the ACC for 10 years. If they don't like it, they can opt out for $20 million, which is chump change to them. Sure beats going to the B12 for all but FB.
...here's the deal...if we believe super conferences of 16 teams are wave of future...then a good strategy would be:
Invite Nortre Dame into ACC and have it come with either Uconn or Rutgirls or whichever other school chosen...allow Notre Dame to keep its NBC contract through 2015 (believe that is the date) while holding independence in football through that contract...after that contract Notre Dame must join in football also within one year of other conferences becoming super also.
Why is this the strategy good for both ACC and ND:
This gets ND to ACC...brings the ACC to its 16 teams and no doubt holds all members of present ACC--no departures for other conferences--and brings ND all sports within a year of the super conference era.
Notre Dame should do this rather than going to B1G because of demographics, alumns, rivalries, and recruiting. The northeast/southeast is growing population while midwest is declining...ND has significant alumns in the footprint of the ACC...recruits strongly in this area...and several of its long-time rivalries are in ACC as well....
it seems to me to be a good strategy for both the ACC and ND. What do you think?
I don't see the harm in offering ND the following...
-You can leave at any time for the exit fee of $20 million. If you do not bring the FB team after 10 years you must leave the conference for all sports and owe $20 million.
You're allowing ND to "rent" a conference for 10 years, for only $2 million a year.
Get the first year and the last year's rent in advance.![]()
Townie, I don't think you read very much. This is a link from the Boneyard. It is from one of the beat writers that covers ND.ND to the ACC as oppossed to the B1G?
Well at least you tried to be logical. But your supporting points don't really hold water.
Demographics? You are right that the ACC States have grown faster then the B1G rust belt ones. But there are still more of people in the rust belt. And if you really wanted to chase growth ... the real growth has been in TX, AZ, CA.
Alums? Most ND alumni are in the Midwest and the East and it isn't even close.
Long term rivals? You must be kidding. Which rivals are you talking about? Pitt? Well maybe Pitt. But the B1G dominates this. MSU, MICH, Purdue/ These are the schools that are ND long-time rivals.
Recruiting? ND recruits nationally and plays nationally. Joining the ACC and becoming more of a Southeastern school probably hurts ND's recruiting efforts.
The overwhelmingly obvious home for ND --- if they join a conference --- is the B1G. The only person I know of that thought ND would go to the ACC was the clueless Maryann Fox, who left ND to be the Pres of NCSU back during the first ACC raid of the Big East.
You are aware that they (ND) have already been down the application process to the Big 10 and declined the invitation at the last minute.
...here's the deal...if we believe super conferences of 16 teams are wave of future...then a good strategy would be:
Invite Nortre Dame into ACC and have it come with either Uconn or Rutgirls or whichever other school chosen...allow Notre Dame to keep its NBC contract through 2015 (believe that is the date) while holding independence in football through that contract...after that contract Notre Dame must join in football also within one year of other conferences becoming super also.
Why is this the strategy good for both ACC and ND:
This gets ND to ACC...brings the ACC to its 16 teams and no doubt holds all members of present ACC--no departures for other conferences--and brings ND all sports within a year of the super conference era.
Notre Dame should do this rather than going to B1G because of demographics, alumns, rivalries, and recruiting. The northeast/southeast is growing population while midwest is declining...ND has significant alumns in the footprint of the ACC...recruits strongly in this area...and several of its long-time rivalries are in ACC as well....
it seems to me to be a good strategy for both the ACC and ND. What do you think?
screw the ND deals.all or nothing.No special deals...all in or nothing. Take it or leave it.
FWIW (not much), in my conversations with ND alums they all acknowledge that they may "have" to drop independence eventually. Almost all of them said they'd prefer the ACC to the Big Ten, for all the reasons we'd expect (similar institutions, east coast, etc).
But I don't see them being forced into doing anything for a while.
i believe kingotto stole that and a nd scheduling freeze out from some one else.....I'd like to take credit, but I plagiarized that point from a kingotto post. I just wanted him to know I was paying attention.
i believe kingotto stole that and a nd scheduling freeze out from some one else.....
ahem.
dont know who he is, but my guess is he reads my stuff... :noidea:Craig Littlepage?![]()
That's basically what you see from Irish posters as well. If football is "forced" to join conference most seem to prefer the ACC to the BiG. They just want every avenue explored before doing so. And the Big East football schools leaving behind just a Catholic League is fine with them.
They only will accept giving up football indy if the BCS NC rules change to only include conference champions in the mix.
Cheers,
Neil
dont know who he is, but my guess is he reads my stuff... :noidea:
actually, now i remember that article.
we did piggyback that.
Oh Lord
i believe kingotto stole that and a nd scheduling freeze out from some one else.....
ahem.
10 BCS slots ... only 6 Conference Champions.
They'll have to come up with 4 more teams one way or another.
You're assuming there will be no change whatsoever in the BCS format. I'm thinking a possible PlusOne is down the road and the 4 highest ranked conference champions will be paired in 2 BCS Bowl games and the winners facing each other in an NC game two weeks later.
That still leaves 4-6 other bids that an ND or a Boise could take, but they would be frozen out of an NC game in this type of set-up.
Cheers,Neil