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Notre Dame vs The World

richmondcuse03 said:
Where is this money they gave us? Is it in the room with us right now?
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They treat us like a hookup that they will never introduce to their friends, much less their parents, and then get mad when we don't buy into their BS? lol at Notre Dame.

Many of Notre Dame's fans are just insufferable people, almost as bad as "lifelong Yankee fans" that can't name any starter besides Judge.
 
Atlcuse44 said:
I don't have the ND hate that a lot of people have. Probably because I am more of a football traditionalist and admire their history. I think that if ND & Miami had a play-in game, ND would win this time.

That said, the ND AD's comments reek of entitlement. How can you justify putting in ND over Miami when ND lost head to head? While ND is looking really good right now, they lost to the 2 best teams on their schedule. The rest of their schedule was weak sauce (besides maybe USC).

The lesson the AD's are getting out of all of this is: Limit scheduling heavyweights out of conference and definitely do not do that at the beginning of the season. I think the days of having some exciting out of conference match-ups the fist week or two of the season is coming to an end. Sadly, that means more boring cream-puff games.
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"I don't have the ND hate that a lot of people have. Probably because I am more of a football traditionalist and admire their history."

If you're a Syracuse fan read up on the history of the 1961 Syracuse-Notre Dame game and how they literally stole the game from us and refused to acknowledge that we won after they said that they would.
 
I am not an ND fan, except when SU benefits from an ND win. I respect the agreement between the ACC and ND, I don't like it. That said, ND has historically used football as a recruiting tool and played in areas in/near larger Catholic populations. Who'd of thought that? (Sarcasm). This explains why the Big East deal and the ACC deal work well for ND. They usually play 5-6 teams from the Atlantic coast, a couple West Coast, a couple in the Midwest and a couple anywhere else. The math may change a little year to year but does not deviate much over time.

Presently, with an average of five ACC teams and Navy, they account for the six games along the East Coast, the most populated areas and some heavily Catholic regions.

With the B1G expansion, they could join the B1G under an ACC-Type agreement, especially if the ACC is to be decimated and the B1G picks up a few schools. I would not put this past Petitti, especially after his PE fiasco. Another round of expansion for fox, especially if Fox can harm ESPN (ACC and SEC) may pay more than some think. We have heard constantly that TV was maxed out only to see the next contract for a much increased value for the last 40 years, since OU won the court case.

Anyway, just a thought to ponder, I have no inside info and am not convinced of the super conferences as the SEC prefers some variety and making more than most.
 
BillSU said:
Notre Dame isn't in the ACC (or any football conference) primarily due to money and autonomy, thanks to its lucrative, long-standing exclusive TV deal with NBC, allowing them to keep all revenue instead of sharing it, plus retaining control over their national schedule and avoiding mandatory conference championship games, making independence more profitable and flexible than joining.
Key Reasons for Independence:
  1. The NBC Deal (Money):
    • Exclusive Revenue: Since 1991, Notre Dame has had a deal with NBC for all home football games, keeping the substantial revenue instead of splitting it with a conference.
    • Generational Wealth: This deal provides immense financial security, with recent extensions through 2029, giving them a massive advantage over conference members who share payouts.
  2. Autonomy & Control (Flexibility):
    • Scheduling Freedom: Independence allows Notre Dame to maintain classic rivalries (USC, Stanford, Navy) and schedule high-profile games nationally, something difficult within a conference.
    • No Conference Games: They avoid playing extra, conference-mandated games (like a conference championship) and keep all CFP/bowl money directly.
  3. Brand Power:
    • Notre Dame is a massive national brand; they don't need a conference for exposure or revenue, as the money flows to them directly through NBC.
The ACC & Potential Joining:
  • While the ACC offers some benefits (like access to conference revenue and playoff spots), Notre Dame's unique setup with NBC and their desire for schedule control outweighs joining for most fans and university decision-makers. They've even negotiated for partial ACC membership for other sports, but football remains independent.
In short, Notre Dame has found that being independent in football, fueled by their NBC deal, offers more financial upside and strategic freedom than joining a conference like the ACC.

Someone once told me ND is Americas Team - Bulls***!
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Re: Scheduling. Supposedly, the primary driver in working out the ACC deal was that they were having increasing difficulty in scheduling late season games. Everybody is willing to play them in September; they're guaranteed a game against USC or Stanford in October; and they have the other California team to end the season. That's 6 games. What about the other 6? We played them last season in SB on Nov 16.

"Cut off your nose to spite your face."
 
FloridaCuse said:
"I don't have the ND hate that a lot of people have. Probably because I am more of a football traditionalist and admire their history."

If you're a Syracuse fan read up on the history of the 1961 Syracuse-Notre Dame game and how they literally stole the game from us and refused to acknowledge that we won after they said that they would.
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For readers who don't know. Here are 2 quotes from a Post-Standard article from 2018 about the game --

1. Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh said his school would stand with whatever the NCAA ruled:
"Everybody knows Notre Dame doesn't want to win a game if it really didn't. If the rules committee determines that we didn't, we'll act accordingly."

2. On Nov. 28, 1961, the same day that Ernie Davis won the Heisman Trophy, the NCAA ruled that Notre Dame had beaten Syracuse on "an illegal play" but could not change the result. That was left up to Notre Dame, who, despite what their President had said earlier, refused to do so.

The 2018 article -- 1961: Notre Dame's 'tarnished victory' leaves Syracuse football fans, players angry and bitter

And Yes, I'm still furious.
 
Scooch said:
ND played 6 ACC teams this season: SU, Miami, NC State, BC, Pitt, Stanford.

For the math challenged, that’s a whole 2 games fewer than every ACC team played ACC opponents.

ND also played Arkansas, Boise State and Purdue this season. Any 2 of those 3 games could have been ACC teams. It’s not like ND needs to appeal to alums in Little Rock or Idaho.

ND will remain an “independent”. Even more so given the concession the CFP gave them starting next season. But it’s just so silly since they already are 75% an ACC member.

I hope the ghost of Gerry Faust possesses Marcus Freeman and they go 6-6 from 2026 until the end of time.
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ND is preparing the ay to get out off its ACC deal, all of it, to join BT. That is why we have the AD going public to accuse the ACC of harming ND, which has done irreparable damge to the relationship.

ND people have realized that the SEC and BT are working together to create a new top tier. And both leagues will be hoary to have that new Top Tier be obey those 2 leagues, after each has added all the ACC schools its wants and can get. So ND is ready to start now cutting all ties to the ACC to get into BT with a snap of the finger.

But that Top Tier can have top to 4 leagues, and certainly should have at least 3. I think SEC and BT want to destroy the ACC, take the ACC schools they want, and then they will 'generously' allow the Big 12 to be in the new Top Tier.

But the ACC could act aggressively and save itself by increasing its TV value a decent amount. That would require starting by cutting dead weight in terms of TV value. Wake has 0 value, and BC not much more than Wake. What the ACC needs much more of is larger state schools located in, or very near to, states with major production of football talent, as well as proven large TV audiences for CFB. Texas Tech, Arizona, and ASU are desperately needed by the ACC. Utah, Cincy, and WVU could all be quite helpful to increasing ACC TV numbers and making its football tougher from top to bottom with more red hot rivalries based on dislike and hate.
 
Scooch said:
This is entirely why the B1G wants to expand the playoffs to 16 and guarantee 6+ spots for their member schools.
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The BT Wet Dream is: get ND and then form a new Top Tier. It will have a 16 team playoff. Get SEC to agree that both of them get 6 auto bids. Anybody else can split the other 4 slots.

The SEC is not going to agree to having the same number as BT. It will want to limit auto bids, assuming that in most years, it will deserve 2 or even 3, at times 4, more teams in a 16 team playoff than the BT deserves. And the SEC his right about that.
 
WoadBlue said:
ND is preparing the ay to get out off its ACC deal, all of it, to join BT. That is why we have the AD going public to accuse the ACC of harming ND, which has done irreparable damge to the relationship.

ND people have realized that the SEC and BT are working together to create a new top tier. And both leagues will be hoary to have that new Top Tier be obey those 2 leagues, after each has added all the ACC schools its wants and can get. So ND is ready to start now cutting all ties to the ACC to get into BT with a snap of the finger.

But that Top Tier can have top to 4 leagues, and certainly should have at least 3. I think SEC and BT want to destroy the ACC, take the ACC schools they want, and then they will 'generously' allow the Big 12 to be in the new Top Tier.

But the ACC could act aggressively and save itself by increasing its TV value a decent amount. That would require starting by cutting dead weight in terms of TV value. Wake has 0 value, and BC not much more than Wake. What the ACC needs much more of is larger state schools located in, or very near to, states with major production of football talent, as well as proven large TV audiences for CFB. Texas Tech, Arizona, and ASU are desperately needed by the ACC. Utah, Cincy, and WVU could all be quite helpful to increasing ACC TV numbers and making its football tougher from top to bottom with more red hot rivalries based on dislike and hate.
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What's Belichick's girlfriend up to lately?
 
WoadBlue said:
The BT Wet Dream is: get ND and then form a new Top Tier. It will have a 16 team playoff. Get SEC to agree that both of them get 6 auto bids. Anybody else can split the other 4 slots.

The SEC is not going to agree to having the same number as BT. It will want to limit auto bids, assuming that in most years, it will deserve 2 or even 3, at times 4, more teams in a 16 team playoff than the BT deserves. And the SEC his right about that.
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If that was their dream, they wouldn't have been pursuing a PE backed investment plan that would have limited their ability to jettison underperforming schools. I don't think some of these folks are as strategic and long-term thinking as fans think they are.
 
richmondcuse03 said:
If that was their dream, they wouldn't have been pursuing a PE backed investment plan that would have limited their ability to jettison underperforming schools. I don't think some of these folks are as strategic and long-term thinking as fans think they are.
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They do not want to jettison their own 'under-performing schools.' They want to destroy all other leagues that can be destroyed as competitors, while also praising themselves for their generosity in saving the likes of Northwestern and Rutgers.
 


Notre Dame AD Pete Bevacqua: “The ACC is important to us, and we’re important to the ACC.” Mentions how many opponents sell out games vs. Notre Dame & TV viewership is higher for football games vs ND.

Notre Dame AD Pete Bevacqua says it was a 3-3.5 week social media campaign from the ACC attacking Notre Dame. He said he talked to ACC commissioner Jim Phillips and said it’s “raised eyebrows and you’ve got to know it caused damage.”

Notre Dame AD Pete Bevacqua says he’s talked to SEC commissioner Greg Sankey since the selection. Talked about CFP format/process.

Notre Dame AD Pete Bevacqua on whether the school’s relationship with the ACC can be healed: "All things can be healed. I'm not going to be overly dramatic here. But it strained the relationship."
 
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