Now that GMac is HC, what does next year's squad look like?

[Newhouser]

I have a sneaking suspicion that devo is far more plugged into this than we are, if he thinks we could get splash guys the i am inclined to agree with him

Wasn't Devo the guy earlier this year joining Etan in defending Red?

 

[Blanko97]

Wasn't Devo the guy earlier this year joining Etan in defending Red?

Was he? I recall him basically chastising red in every game he called

 

[phsyra]

Devo knew Red was doing a bad job. He complained about our effort during every game he called.

 

[Orangezoo]

Why does the freedom to move every year not have the best interest of the player in mind?

It IS punishing them, because they are stuck while a coach could go from Sun Belt -> AAC -> Big East in 3 years with no penalty.

The players are absolutely winners in all of this, as they should be. Blaming the agents is a strawman.

Ffs I’m not blaming the agents I’m saying they are the winners here hands down and are not helping. You must be in the commission game with this take. How many kids have gotten paid making a move that basically reduced their future earning potential? Do some kids make out better in this model ? Sure. You are looking at this from the top of the market standpoint and with a short term lens. Structure is what is best for all involved. Unless you are going to try and tell me all this money is being well spent and saved because 18-22 year olds have a strong foundation in financial management…

It’s a saturated market that does not have unlimited funding. The incentive to improve and develop has already taken a step back. The one place we agree is structure is necessary. If that’s an employment model then so be it. This model is not in anyone’s best interest long term.

In the bigger long term picture the athletes aren’t winning either. Short term ? Fine - they are making bank for a couple years if they are top of the market. As for a strawman ? lol no. Not even in the ballpark with that- not to mention it’s the favorite fallacy to try and call out on here that hardly ever is used properly.

 

[Bayside44]

But restricting player movement while coaches have free reign to do whatever they want makes no sense, except in a system trying to limit athlete power.

Coaches have careers. College athletes have eligibility clocks.

Also pretty sure there’s a provision in the 5 for 5 deal that allows a player another portal of their coach leaves.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I believe he’s saying you get one time to portal in that 5 year period.

Is that part of it? Didn’t realize. Unclear if that will stand up in court.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Very knowledgeable poster, however system is broken. Athletes have way too much power.

Shouldn’t they have at least equal power? Shouldn’t they have a right to leave one job for a better job, just like everyone else? Why does it bother people so much? The NCAA should have allowed players to unionize, then there could be collective bargaining.

 

[Knicks411]

Coaches have careers. College athletes have eligibility clocks.

Also pretty sure there’s a provision in the 5 for 5 deal that allows a player another portal of their coach leaves.

For a decent amount of these players this could be the bulk of their peak earnings years so. It in love with the idea of limiting what they can make so we can pretend this is something different than what it is.

 

[Knicks411]

Very knowledgeable poster, however system is broken. Athletes have way too much power.

To a certain extent; isn't the fact that there are very few restrictions in place and the athletes have all this power proof that they deserve the power? (understanding and believing you can put more guardrails in place). But the athletes are, you know, the entire product so it makes sense they have a lot of power.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Ffs I’m not blaming the agents I’m saying they are the winners here hands down and are not helping. You must be in the commission game with this take. How many kids have gotten paid making a move that basically reduced their future earning potential? Do some kids make out better in this model ? Sure. You are looking at this from the top of the market standpoint and with a short term lens. Structure is what is best for all involved. Unless you are going to try and tell me all this money is being well spent and saved because 18-22 year olds have a strong foundation in financial management…

It’s a saturated market that does not have unlimited funding. The incentive to improve and develop has already taken a step back. The one place we agree is structure is necessary. If that’s an employment model then so be it. This model is not in anyone’s best interest long term.

In the bigger long term picture the athletes aren’t winning either. Short term ? Fine - they are making bank for a couple years if they are top of the market. As for a strawman ? lol no. Not even in the ballpark with that- not to mention it’s the favorite fallacy to try and call out on here that hardly ever is used properly.

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, “I don’t think lurking means what you think it means.”

 

[phsyra]

The system is definitely broken. It is silly to argue otherwise. A lot of the kids will never graduate and struggle finding jobs once their career is over. 18-21 year olds make a lot of bad decisions. They need leadership. They can still make money but adults nedd to be smart about it instead of exploiting them.

 

[Knicks411]

The system is definitely broken. It is silly to argue otherwise. A lot of the kids will never graduate and struggle finding jobs once their career is over. 18-21 year olds make a lot of bad decisions. They need leadership. They can still make money but adults nedd to be smart about it instead of exploiting them.

Which will always happen and seems like a good reason to me to let them make as much money as they can. (you dont stop making bad decisions after you turn 21 either. see; our last head coach)

I do think there should be some kind of a CBA or something, but (and I dont think this is because I am a cynic) I'm going to be real skeptical of any argument that says actually, its better for a group to make less money and have fewer rights.

 

[bnoro]

The system is definitely broken. It is silly to argue otherwise. A lot of the kids will never graduate and struggle finding jobs once their career is over. 18-21 year olds make a lot of bad decisions. They need leadership. They can still make money but adults nedd to be smart about it instead of exploiting them.

So if the kids will never graduate, it was stupid that the system "paid them" with an education that they couldn't utilize properly.

So the system NEVER made sense.

Not to mention most of the kids graduating college right now are going to struggle finding jobs.

 

[bnoro]

Ffs I’m not blaming the agents I’m saying they are the winners here hands down and are not helping. You must be in the commission game with this take. How many kids have gotten paid making a move that basically reduced their future earning potential? Do some kids make out better in this model ? Sure. You are looking at this from the top of the market standpoint and with a short term lens. Structure is what is best for all involved. Unless you are going to try and tell me all this money is being well spent and saved because 18-22 year olds have a strong foundation in financial management…

It’s a saturated market that does not have unlimited funding. The incentive to improve and develop has already taken a step back. The one place we agree is structure is necessary. If that’s an employment model then so be it. This model is not in anyone’s best interest long term.

In the bigger long term picture the athletes aren’t winning either. Short term ? Fine - they are making bank for a couple years if they are top of the market. As for a strawman ? lol no. Not even in the ballpark with that- not to mention it’s the favorite fallacy to try and call out on here that hardly ever is used properly.

Agents, landlords, realtors, etc, they're all crooks. But blaming agents for players' decisions is ridiculous.

There's not enough money in these transactions where an agent is holding enough of the cards to force a player to transfer, outside of a few top guys. You think a player is listening to an agent that's telling him to give up $650k to transfer and make $675k?

 

[Cheriehoop]

So if the kids will never graduate, it was stupid that the system "paid them" with an education that they couldn't utilize properly.

So the system NEVER made sense.

Not to mention most of the kids graduating college right now are going to struggle finding jobs.

Many colleges have tried to encourage their athletic players to graduate and have even showed loyalty years after leaving, working with them to help finish their degrees. Just like students who are responsible for paying thousands and thousands of $ themselves for their own failures to graduate - personal motivation is necessary. More than 40% of full time college students fail to graduate and they are stuck paying back huge loans unlike the players.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The system is definitely broken. It is silly to argue otherwise. A lot of the kids will never graduate and struggle finding jobs once their career is over. 18-21 year olds make a lot of bad decisions. They need leadership. They can still make money but adults nedd to be smart about it instead of exploiting them.

Guess what? A lot of kids didn’t graduate under the old system. Now they (should) have a head start

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Agents, landlords, realtors, etc, they're all crooks. But blaming agents for players' decisions is ridiculous.

There's not enough money in these transactions where an agent is holding enough of the cards to force a player to transfer, outside of a few top guys. You think a player is listening to an agent that's telling him to give up $650k to transfer and make $675k?

What, pray tell, is your virtuous occupation

 

[phsyra]

Guess what? A lot of kids didn’t graduate under the old system. Now they (should) have a head start

Great, the more people that graduate the better for their lives regardless of your feelings. Data is clear and not debateable that life outcomes are better for those with degrees than those without. Most players across all sports arent making big money and it only lasts so long. Lacrosse players and field hockey players that transfer arent making millions. Learning and academics are actually important dude. Thats why SU exists