Now that we've landed Folefac, are there any guard prospects we are pursuing to finalize roster?

[Hopkins16]

It would be nice to have a pure point guard like a Cadeau, but, if there isn’t one available for you, what do you do? I guess you go with what you have and plan an offense of various combo guards handling the ball. It’s that simple. We can’t create a model pg out of thin air.

 

[RedtheGOB]

It would be nice to have a pure point guard like a Cadeau, but, if there isn’t one available for you, what do you do? I guess you go with what you have and plan an offense of various combo guards handling the ball. It’s that simple. We can’t create a model pg out of thin air.

Just a reminder but Cadeau wasn't some allstar before Michigan. Going by 247 he was the 14th best point guard in last years class. Nate George was rated better at #13 PG.

Point Guards can't do much without the pieces that fit together and a frontcourt.

Think about our stud point guards through those great years. They had big pieces that fit, lots of options.

 

[sufan59]

We will be adding another point guard. Remember where you heard it.

Hypothetically, hypothetically, could Judah Mintz have eligibility left? Technically forfeited 2 years of eligibility. He's never played in an NBA game or drafted. Only 22 years old. I feel like we've seen more egregious cases in College Basketball. I got a feeling he wouldn't have dipped out of college early if Gerry was the coach...that would be a major splash. And I have been a Garwey Dual defender here and how it would be difficult to get anyone even with all the options on the table that would start over him. Judah would though lol.

 

[CbusCuse]

Hypothetically, hypothetically, could Judah Mintz have eligibility left? Technically forfeited 2 years of eligibility. He's never played in an NBA game or drafted. Only 22 years old. I feel like we've seen more egregious cases in College Basketball. I got a feeling he wouldn't have dipped out of college early if Gerry was the coach...that would be a major splash. And I have been a Garwey Dual defender here and how it would be difficult to get anyone even with all the options on the table that would start over him. Judah would though lol.

Well that would be...Interesting. This would be Judah's 5th year as he was a 2022 kid.

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[ImperialOrange]

It would be nice to have a pure point guard like a Cadeau, but, if there isn’t one available for you, what do you do? I guess you go with what you have and plan an offense of various combo guards handling the ball. It’s that simple. We can’t create a model pg out of thin air.

They way some on this board talk you'd think multiple versions of Chris Paul and Hakeem Olajuwan were sitting in the portal and Syracuse simply aren't pursuing them.

Reality is most NBA ready players are entered in the draft OR returning to their same school for massive pay days.

I'd be curious what "better" players are currently available that people think we should be after at PG or C? Also which "better" players WERE available that we had a chance in hell to win bidding wars for at PG or C?

Portal is always going to be sorting through mid-major players to find best fits. At the very least we will be much tougher defensively as a given. If all/any incoming players get marginally better shooting in the offseason we're probably going to be better there as well. Certainly should be less turnover prone. The bar currently is be better than .500 and ideally 20+ wins. The current roster should be able to do that. The 92 dream team isn't walking through our, or anyone else's door.

 

[sufan59]

Well that would be...Interesting. This would be Judah's 5th year as he was a 2022 kid.

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So he did sign an Exhibit 10 contract, but like for example Providence Dink Pate signed an Exhibit 10. Bryson Warren of Texas Tech also signed an Exhibit 10 contract.

 

[cuseincincy]

Just a reminder but Cadeau wasn't some allstar before Michigan. Going by 247 he was the 14th best point guard in last years class. Nate George was rated better at #13 PG.

Point Guards can't do much without the pieces that fit together and a frontcourt.

Think about our stud point guards through those great years. They had big pieces that fit, lots of options.

Agreed. I seem to remember most, if not all, of us were pretty happy when we signed George. I personally was not a Cadeau fan. And a quick check of his stats shows Cadeau was pretty much the same player at Michigan he was at UNC. He improved his 3fg% from 33% to 37%. He was a beast in the tournament no doubt, but his team was loaded. My concern is that many people are projecting players from Siena and McNeese State to do things at Syracuse, that they didn't do at Siena or McNeese St.

 

[CbusCuse]

So he did sign an Exhibit 10 contract, but like for example Providence Dink Pate signed an Exhibit 10. Bryson Warren of Texas Tech also signed an Exhibit 10 contract.

Ah that does appear to be the case. I think that rules out his return to college then.

 

[baggerbob]

Just a reminder but Cadeau wasn't some allstar before Michigan. Going by 247 he was the 14th best point guard in last years class. Nate George was rated better at #13 PG.

Point Guards can't do much without the pieces that fit together and a frontcourt.

Think about our stud point guards through those great years. They had big pieces that fit, lots of options.

Think about sherm, had Ronnie, DC, Stevie Billy, Dave Johnson, and others.

 

[sufan59]

Ah that does appear to be the case. I think that rules out his return to college then.

Kind of, though Bediako for example signed a 2 way contract. Judah may actually have a better argument. All of this is hypothetical lol

 

[RF2044]

They way some on this board talk you'd think multiple versions of Chris Paul and Hakeem Olajuwan were sitting in the portal and Syracuse simply aren't pursuing them.

Reality is most NBA ready players are entered in the draft OR returning to their same school for massive pay days.

I'd be curious what "better" players are currently available that people think we should be after at PG or C? Also which "better" players WERE available that we had a chance in hell to win bidding wars for at PG or C?

Portal is always going to be sorting through mid-major players to find best fits. At the very least we will be much tougher defensively as a given. If all/any incoming players get marginally better shooting in the offseason we're probably going to be better there as well. Certainly should be less turnover prone. The bar currently is be better than .500 and ideally 20+ wins. The current roster should be able to do that. The 92 dream team isn't walking through our, or anyone else's door.

Personally, I think we did just fine @ center.

Point guard... we're rolling the dice a little bit.

And I'm not conninced by the argument that we're solid because Tobiason and Doty have the ability to put it on the floor a little bit. Neither of those guys are suited to log big minutes as lead guard, except for "break glass in case of emergency" scenario.

 

[Nicknack]

Portal is always going to be sorting through mid-major players to find best fits. At the very least we will be much tougher defensively as a given. If all/any incoming players get marginally better shooting in the offseason we're probably going to be better there as well. Certainly should be less turnover prone. The bar currently is be better than .500 and ideally 20+ wins. The current roster should be able to do that. The 92 dream team isn't walking through our, or anyone else's door.

I really hope that's not the expectation (a winning record). I believe the bar is making the tournament. The fact that some see this as a tall task is indicative of how far we've fallen as a program.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I really hope that's not the expectation (a winning record). I believe the bar is making the tournament. The fact that some see this as a tall task is indicative of how far we've fallen as a program.

The bar is making the tournament.

Anything less than that requires excuses.

 

[Cusefan69]

Agreed. I seem to remember most, if not all, of us were pretty happy when we signed George. I personally was not a Cadeau fan. And a quick check of his stats shows Cadeau was pretty much the same player at Michigan he was at UNC. He improved his 3fg% from 33% to 37%. He was a beast in the tournament no doubt, but his team was loaded. My concern is that many people are projecting players from Siena and McNeese State to do things at Syracuse, that they didn't do at Siena or McNeese St.

Wait he increased his 3fg% from 33 to 37%? That is not possible! I have been told by multiple people on this board who are clearly coaches (armchair) and it's been either said or suggested that players can't get better at shooting. (Not saying you said that CuseinCincy). It's just not possible!! It was suggested unequivocally that players can't get better.

Interesting that Cadeau was able to do so.

 

[qdawgg]

We will be adding another point guard. Remember where you heard it.

I mean, multiple people have been saying it for a bit now, that we are still looking at PG’s.

 

[Cappy3]

Wait he increased his 3fg% from 33 to 37%? That is not possible! I have been told by multiple people on this board who are clearly coaches (armchair) and it's been either said or suggested that players can't get better at shooting. (Not saying you said that CuseinCincy). It's just not possible!! It was suggested unequivocally that players can't get better.

Interesting that Cadeau was able to do so.

C’mon, be realistic. Of course some players get better. Unfortunately some also get worse. Most stay around the same. Improvement is not a sure thing.

 

[Cusefan0307]

C’mon, be realistic. Of course some players get better. Unfortunately some also get worse. Most stay around the same. Improvement is not a sure thing.

This isn’t a realistic post either. There’s usually some progression as players get older.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Personally, I think we did just fine @ center.

Point guard... we're rolling the dice a little bit.

And I'm not conninced by the argument that we're solid because Tobiason and Doty have the ability to put it on the floor a little bit. Neither of those guys are suited to log big minutes as lead guard, except for "break glass in case of emergency" scenario.

Kiyan can put it on the floor also, needs to knock down FT’s

 

[RedtheGOB]

Personally, I think we did just fine @ center.

Point guard... we're rolling the dice a little bit.

And I'm not conninced by the argument that we're solid because Tobiason and Doty have the ability to put it on the floor a little bit. Neither of those guys are suited to log big minutes as lead guard, except for "break glass in case of emergency" scenario.

I think people should be ready for a possibility that we have a press lineup out more than an offense first lineup. Prob looks like a combo of this or if Siby can run like his highlights.

Dual
Doty
Sadiq
Folefac
Wilson

Maybe im not remembering but I always felt like when we got down Autry put more shooters on the court or did a hockey line change. The press much like many of our defenses, our guys didn’t execute as a team so it always broke down.

These guys putting on a full press could really be fun to watch. I also think gmac is gonna be more stubborn with his lineups and stay with them longer whether they are working or not. Autry was stubborn in his lineups as well but it was the opposite direction, he was always subbing regardless of game flow.

 

[RF2044]

Kiyan can put it on the floor also, needs to knock down FT’s

I think that Kiyan showed that he can use the bounce to get to the basket, creating shots for himself. I have no doubt that both Doty and Tobiason can, as well.

That doesn't make any of that trio "point guards."

Which is SLIGHTLY worrisome, because it is unclear if Dual is suited to be a full time point guard, either. If he is [and I liked the Dual acquisition, to be clear] then maybe we can get enough minutes from one or more of the above, just to spell the starter.

Or maybe Moesch will be more ready to contribute from the jump than expected -- in which case, we should have sufficient depth.

Or maybe the offense won't require a standard point guard, based upon how our offensive sets are structured.

I'm just pointing out that we're rolling the dice to some degree with our PG situation.

 

[Cusefan69]

C’mon, be realistic. Of course some players get better. Unfortunately some also get worse. Most stay around the same. Improvement is not a sure thing.

My point is people like to talk in absolutes. There are people who actually state players cannot get better AT ALL. That is asinine. Of course improving is not a sure thing. It takes effort and practice and time and even then it's not a guarantee but you have people on this board saying Doty can't shoot better. That Kiyan can't get better. That Dual can't evolve his game. Saying it like it's preordained or something. It's comical.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I think that Kiyan showed that he can use the bounce to get to the basket, creating shots for himself. I have no doubt that both Doty and Tobiason can, as well.

That doesn't make any of that trio "point guards."

Which is SLIGHTLY worrisome, because it is unclear if Dual is suited to be a full time point guard, either. If he is [and I liked the Dual acquisition, to be clear] then maybe we can get enough minutes from one or more of the above, just to spell the starter.

Or maybe Moesch will be more ready to contribute from the jump than expected -- in which case, we should have sufficient depth.

Or maybe the offense won't require a standard point guard, based upon how our offensive sets are structured.

I'm just pointing out that we're rolling the dice to some degree with our PG situation.

I don't think it is a formula for success to have the Jimmy B scenario where a guy plays more minutes for us than he did at a lower level.

If that's where we go with Dual, he needs to really, really make a leap as a breakout player.

 

[007]

I think that Kiyan showed that he can use the bounce to get to the basket, creating shots for himself. I have no doubt that both Doty and Tobiason can, as well.

That doesn't make any of that trio "point guards."

Which is SLIGHTLY worrisome, because it is unclear if Dual is suited to be a full time point guard, either. If he is [and I liked the Dual acquisition, to be clear] then maybe we can get enough minutes from one or more of the above, just to spell the starter.

Or maybe Moesch will be more ready to contribute from the jump than expected -- in which case, we should have sufficient depth.

Or maybe the offense won't require a standard point guard, based upon how our offensive sets are structured.

I'm just pointing out that we're rolling the dice to some degree with our PG situation.

Good post.

If Gerry rolls with what we have at PG, that's probably an indication of his opinion of Moesch's readiness to contribute.

I would guess that even with Dual on the court, Tobiason and Doty will be used to initiate the offense from pick and roll and DHO actions in half court sets.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Personally, I think we did just fine @ center.

Point guard... we're rolling the dice a little bit.

And I'm not conninced by the argument that we're solid because Tobiason and Doty have the ability to put it on the floor a little bit. Neither of those guys are suited to log big minutes as lead guard, except for "break glass in case of emergency" scenario.

Fair but who available at PG solves that equation?

 

[ImperialOrange]

I really hope that's not the expectation (a winning record). I believe the bar is making the tournament. The fact that some see this as a tall task is indicative of how far we've fallen as a program.

It is in fact indicative of how far we've fallen. It's a rebuild now and after 2 sub .500 seasons in succession I would accept being above the mendoza line once again. Really I'd like a team that isn't outclassed and out worked. I can forgive talent deficit if effort is there much more than "potential" elite talent getting run out of the gym by double digits before the game starts. Just give me max effort honestly. Even 15 mil, if we even have that, isn't in the ballpark of what some big money/elite schools are currently paying out... just give the fans a team that cares as much as they do.