One Orange Alliance

[FloridaCuse]

So there is still an option to donate directly to a specific program? Then what are people complaining about exactly?

I believe you can give directly to the school's Athletic program for a specific sport. I think that money is for the specific coaches fund or to help defray the $20.5 million compensation the school pays. It isn't for NIL and can't be used for that. This discussion is about NIL.

 

[DoctahLexus]

I believe you can give directly to the school's Athletic program for a specific sport. I think that money is for the specific coaches fund or to help defray the $20.5 million compensation the school pays. It isn't for NIL and can't be used for that. This discussion is about NIL.

I think people are quick to assume there is now no way to donate to a specific sports NIL fund. If I'm wrong than yeah this sucks, but I doubt that is not an option for potential donors anymore.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I think people are quick to assume there is now no way to donate to a specific sports NIL fund. If I'm wrong than yeah this sucks, but I doubt that is not an option for potential donors anymore.

apparently it's not. That's what this discussion today is about.

 

[sufan59]

it makes zero sense. tell me why 100% of my nil donation cant go to where i want it too? i want to donate to gmac. not have 85% of my donation go someplace that others decide they want my money to go too. since this was put together by football people, it sounds like a scam to help football (which i also support).

Well 100% of your money is going to One Orange Alliance, but I know that's not what you want to hear.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

it makes zero sense. tell me why 100% of my nil donation cant go to where i want it too? i want to donate to gmac. not have 85% of my donation go someplace that others decide they want my money to go too. since this was put together by football people, it sounds like a scam to help football (which i also support).

It makes sense for SU from an administrative perspective. But what is easy for them should be the last thing considered here.

It also makes sense for the non revenue sports, they now have money to make them better.

It makes sense for FB. Yes, they lose 25% of their NIL but they get 75% of BBall. That should be a big net positive.

For the Fans, and especially for BBall it sucks ass.

It is almost as if the new AD did not know that SU has a large BBall fanbase and a small FB one.

 

[rrlbees]

Well 100% of your money is going to One Orange Alliance, but I know that's not what you want to hear.

i know where its not going.

 

[richmondcuse03]

BB is supposed to be an NIL guru. This seems bad for individual donations, even the big fish.

I can see it working for corporate donations, but why not just have separate systems in that case.

If I win the lotto and want to buy a National Championship in Women's Hockey, I should be able to do so.

I saw nothing in his track record that indicated he was a guru at NIL. There was some boilerplate stuff on NIL at toledo but the actual numbers were tiny. If we wanted an NIL expert, we didn't hire the right AD IMO.

 

[Hawknate144]

I think the idea was that he set up the NIL stuff at Toledo, but there is a difference between setting ti up and being an NIL expert.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Actually I take that back about FB, it could be worse for them as well. If BBall donations significantly drop, it won't cover the lost 25%.


Other schools are state schools, in which case a one stop shop makes more sense. Alumni are willing to give money in order to see the entire AD do well. But SU is a small private school where most of the fans have nothing to do with the school. Those fans do not care about the entire AD. It almost feels like this was a cookie cutter solution that worked elsewhere without actually knowing our audience.


Edit
This quote right here kind proves my above point.

"We want Syracuse Athletics to be the best it possibly can, and that's not one sport being great and other sports not being great...I'm not dodging the question, but we want to push everybody to consider let's give all for one and one for all."

That is great in theory but that isn't what the bulk of donors want. We aren't a state school. There are people who do not care about FB, let alone non rev sports.

 

[CNYGuy]

If you don't think they're setting up most or all of this to go to football/MBB and giving those sports the payrolls they need, you're all crazy.

The whole point of these things is to keep money flexible. If Fran needs the next McCord, they go to the pot. If basketball has a late portal chance at someone big, they go to the pot... The fundraising is to replenish the pot.

 

[TexanMark]

If I donate to MLAX, the money ends up with Women's Volleyball.

Now I get that a rising tide lifts all boats, but what if I only care about the SS Gait & Thorpe.

Then skip NIL and donate to the coach's fund.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Sounds like they’re being lazy to be honest. This is all haphazard as usual. Really frustrating. They clearly rushed this out. There’s no website. Just a fundraising campaign. Amateur hour.

Smh

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If you don't think they're setting up most or all of this to go to football/MBB and giving those sports the payrolls they need, you're all crazy.

The whole point of these things is to keep money flexible. If Fran needs the next McCord, they go to the pot. If basketball has a late portal chance at someone big, they go to the pot... The fundraising is to replenish the pot.

There needs to be a pot in the first place. People do not want to donate to a pot.

Also there shouldn't be much money held in reserves to make a splash get. And won't it be easier to get a whale to make up any shortage?

NIL for a school like SU is already an issue. Why potentially add to that issue?

 

[Ttk.gman2]

I’m out on Blair this was horrible

 

[CNYGuy]

There needs to be a pot in the first place. People do not want to donate to a pot.

Also there shouldn't be much money held in reserves to make a splash get. And won't it be easier to get a whale to make up any shortage?

NIL for a school like SU is already an issue. Why potentially add to that issue?

The pot is the collective fundraising dollars... I'm having a very hard time figuring out the complaining and its quite frustrating. I follow college sports very closely. This is the same model most big schools use. Look up the major brands of college athletics and you'll see this... Yet here, our fans complain. It's mind boggling to me.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The pot is the collective fundraising dollars... I'm having a very hard time figuring out the complaining and its quite frustrating. I follow college sports very closely. This is the same model most big schools use. Look up the major brands of college athletics and you'll see this... Yet here, our fans complain. It's mind boggling to me.

This would discourage small donations. Which means the collective is smaller than it would be otherwise. The sum does not equal the parts.

Big schools have large alumni networks that care about the entire AD. A lot of SU BBall fans would be perfectly happy with a Top 10 team and a Bottom 10 in everything else, including FB.

 

[EuclidBred]

BIG difference between setting up an NIL platform at a MAC school vs. a P4 school, imo.

 

[CNYGuy]

This would discourage small donations. Which means the collective is smaller than it would be otherwise. The sum does not equal the parts.

Big schools have large alumni networks that care about the entire AD. A lot of SU BBall fans would be perfectly happy with a Top 10 team and a Bottom 10 in everything else, including FB.

Well then I hope those people that feel that way can enjoy Division 2 in 10 years... Because if football isn't relevant then when the next breakaway happens and the NCAA no longer exists, basketball, lacrosse, or your other favorite sport isn't playing in the top division anymore.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Well then I hope those people that feel that way can enjoy Division 2 in 10 years... Because if football isn't relevant then when the next breakaway happens and the NCAA no longer exists, basketball, lacrosse, or your other favorite sport isn't playing in the top division anymore.

We already have a football only collective that is working. There's no guarantee this approach is going to result in more money for football. If I was giving solely to football NIL more, how do I get assurances that my money is going only to Fran now? There's a reason why football folks didnt like the Orange United approach. There were high administration fees and lack of clarity on where the money went.

 

[rrlbees]

Well then I hope those people that feel that way can enjoy Division 2 in 10 years... Because if football isn't relevant then when the next breakaway happens and the NCAA no longer exists, basketball, lacrosse, or your other favorite sport isn't playing in the top division anymore.

so the reported additional nil that will come in for gmac is now expected to be shared with football? no thanks. i donate enough to football. i want to donate to gmacs nil war chest. is this how the whale's donations, like lobdells group being divvied up? i didn't think so.

 

[CNYGuy]

We already have a football only collective that is working. There's no guarantee this approach is going to result in more money for football. If I was giving solely to football NIL more, how do I get assurances that my money is going only to Fran now? There's a reason why football folks didnt like the Orange United approach. There were high administration fees and lack of clarity on where the money went.

I’m not going to disagree with yours or anyone else’s personal feelings on the matter. But, I think everyone should go to 5-10 school collective websites that they think are successful at NIL and see how they operate before making comments about this being MAC like, etc.

I haven’t looked at every school certainly, but from what I’ve seen, this model is in the majority.

 

[JRHEETER]

And the reason people are mad is because NIL discussion has reached a point in the public mind where NIL has become synonymous with athletic funding in general, which it's not.

If people think Rowing is getting money from the fund (which is a point I have somehow seen multiple people complain about) they arn't.

Right but if I want to donate my money to Rowing to NIL, because as you stated, Rev Share is not giving any money to rowing, then I should be able to dictate it. Its my money that I am giving to an NIL collective that I want to be used to go to the sports that I want.

 

[CNYGuy]

so the reported additional nil that will come in for gmac is now expected to be shared with football? no thanks. i donate enough to football. i want to donate to gmacs nil war chest. is this how the whale's donations, like lobdells group being divvied up? i didn't think so.

You still need this group (or an organization like it) to actually pay the players. Lobdell (or any individual) can’t pay players. You need to pay players to make appearances or social media posts for your partner advertisers to clear it through the ncaa clearinghouse

 

[richmondcuse03]

I’m not going to disagree with yours or anyone else’s personal feelings on the matter. But, I think everyone should go to 5-10 school collective websites that they think are successful at NIL and see how they operate before making comments about this being MAC like, etc.

I haven’t looked at every school certainly, but from what I’ve seen, this model is in the majority.

First one I looked at:

Join Their Journey | Bayou Traditions

www.bayoutraditionscollective.com

 

[javadoc]

The pot is the collective fundraising dollars... I'm having a very hard time figuring out the complaining and its quite frustrating. I follow college sports very closely. This is the same model most big schools use. Look up the major brands of college athletics and you'll see this... Yet here, our fans complain. It's mind boggling to me.

Are you saying that at the "big schools" they have one giant pot that money goes into and the donors have no say over how it is spent? If so... people do that??

I'm not an alum, townie originally, but that model makes no sense to me. I care not a whit, not one iota, about anything other than a few revenue-generating sports. It sounds to me like this model says, well sorry, you aren't using your money properly if you want to tell us where to spend it. And the school will walk away from that money!

Is this bizarro world?