Opinions Wanted

[Brooky03]

I have a question for you:

Does the basketball program produce an entertainment product that should be consumed and critiqued for quality?

You have consumers (fans) you want to sell tickets to and get watching your product on TV and online.

To put it another way, if you were the VP of product development for say... Nabisco... and you came up with a new teriyaki flavor of Funyons, would you only care about what the CEO and your product team thought about the new flavor or would also care what your customers thought of it??

After all, you are selling a product... and what your customers think of it will make or break it.

“Selling a product”

That’s where there is a disconnect. Sports coaches aren’t selling anything. They’d coach sports for free if there was no market for sports. If they couldn’t do it with the money they have, they’d work a normal job, have a normal career, and coach sports on the side. Nobody would be a VP of marketing or sales or product development for free as a hobby that they just love. Well, maybe some weirdos, but ‘exception that proves the rule’ and all that.

Players and coaches certainly benefit from their skills and can make an excellent living. And they’re certainly happy for that. There are some just doing it because they lucked into being good at it and can make money (more common with players), but most would be coaching or playing for the fun of it and/or the competition.

Competition is the other point. Coaches and players have an objective measuring stick, more so than a VP of product development. Sure, you can measure sales and profit and costs and stock price, all of that. But there is nothing close to a win column and a loss column. If coaches could coach and players could play without fans, they’d still have motivation to do so because they’re measured by wins and losses. A VP of Product Development doesn’t exist without consumers buying their product. They need feedback from consumers because consumers buying the product is the closest thing they have to a win/loss record. Fans don’t impact wins and losses.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Cool, I have two season tickets in a semi-premium section. I have an opinion and that is it's time for a retirement ceremony.

5%er

 

[Red Holzman]

Second qualifier: a STH that attends games?
Were 4 empty STH seats in front of us Saturday, and saw others

What if they are making a statement by not attending?

Or maybe they buy season tickets only to qualify to make actual statements?

 

[Brooky03]

I speak for many others as well. As a Veteran, 1966-1972, and AMERICAN, I have a right to say anything I want, makes no difference if I'm a season ticket holder or not. We should not have to only give an opinion to those that believe we are wrong and they we oppose they are right. The blood of many protected that right.

Odd response. You have the right to voice your opinion. JB has a right to ignore it.

 

[OrangeDW]

Me too! I want some Teriyaki Funyuns. Kingtidge better send that idea in to Frito-Lay stat!

 

[Day2]

“Selling a product”

That’s where there is a disconnect. Sports coaches aren’t selling anything. They’d coach sports for free if there was no market for sports. If they couldn’t do it with the money they have, they’d work a normal job, have a normal career, and coach sports on the side. Nobody would be a VP of marketing or sales or product development for free as a hobby that they just love. Well, maybe some weirdos, but ‘exception that proves the rule’ and all that.

Players and coaches certainly benefit from their skills and can make an excellent living. And they’re certainly happy for that. There are some just doing it because they lucked into being good at it and can make money (more common with players), but most would be coaching or playing for the fun of it and/or the competition.

Competition is the other point. Coaches and players have an objective measuring stick, more so than a VP of product development. Sure, you can measure sales and profit and costs and stock price, all of that. But there is nothing close to a win column and a loss column. If coaches could coach and players could play without fans, they’d still have motivation to do so because they’re measured by wins and losses. A VP of Product Development doesn’t exist without consumers buying their product. They need feedback from consumers because consumers buying the product is the closest thing they have to a win/loss record. Fans don’t impact wins and losses.

You can rationalize however you want…sports are still a business.

Fans don’t impact wins and losses, eh? So the team would be fine playing in an empty building? There’s no need for fans to travel to away games?

Our fan base is one of our top selling points. Good luck getting a coach to come to upstate NY to lead a team without any support.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Similar to his “you have to be a certain height to speak about basketball”. When he is wrong, he makes pointed remarks to take the attention off himself. People then start talking about the comments instead of the performance or what the real issue is.

He doesn’t like being wrong or people insinuating the game has passed him by. He is still the smartest man in the room and no one can have any other opinion. He is such a thin skinned man.

Yep. It's all a red herring and it's been his m.o. for YEARS. People were just willing to look past it or say "LOL, that's just Jim being Jim, whaddaya gonna do?" because he won juuuuuust enough.

 

[rocfan44]

Jim must have pissed in Axe’s Cheerios or something. Maybe it’s because Jim doesn’t do his show anymore. Seems like Axe has had for a lack of better term “axe” to grind all year.

 

[OrangeDW]

Real fans sit in Section 311. They know way more than the rich people sitting courtside or in the boxes.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I speak for many others as well. As a Veteran, 1966-1972, and AMERICAN, I have a right to say anything I want, makes no difference if I'm a season ticket holder or not. We should not have to only give an opinion to those that believe we are wrong and they we oppose they are right. The blood of many protected that right.

Thank you for your service during those years

 

[Brooky03]

You can rationalize however you want…sports are still a business.

Fans don’t impact wins and losses, eh? So the team would be fine playing in an empty building? There’s no need for fans to travel to away games?

Our fan base is one of our top selling points. Good luck getting a coach to come to upstate NY to lead a team without any support.

Sports are a business. Coaches just aren’t involved in the dollars and cents.

Coaches are the programmers at Intel told to make a CPU faster than AMD’s. That’s it. They’re measured by plugging the CPU in and running tests and seeing if their number is higher or lower. Whether consumers want that CPU, buy that CPU, love or hate that CPU is not their concern. That’s somebody else’s job. They’re certainly not going to go to the message boards and see that CheetoFart69 said “I think the CPU would be faster if it was a man-to-man CPU instead of a zone CPU” and go ‘Wow, what an awesome idea, let’s do that!’

 

[DilemaCuse]

Jim must have pissed in Axe’s Cheerios or something. Maybe it’s because Jim doesn’t do his show anymore. Seems like Axe has had for a lack of better term “axe” to grind all year.

No, its just having an honest media that wont cover for him when he's been mediocre in the regular season for 9 years and his act is beyond old at this point.

If he was stilling winning 25 games a year he could get away with this. Not anymore.

 

[Brooky03]

Real fans sit in Section 311. They know way more than the rich people sitting courtside or in the boxes.

If you haven’t sat with your back touching the wall of the Dome, you’re not a fan in my book.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

If you haven’t sat with your back touching the wall of the Dome, you’re not a fan in my book.

My sons first game. Had to be about 5 at the time.

 

[Brooky03]

No, its just having an honest media that wont cover for him when he's been mediocre in the regular season for 9 years and his act is getting old at this point.

If he was stilling winning 25 games a year he could get away with this. Not anymore.

Axe’s job is to pander. He’s pandering. That doesn’t mean he’s wrong. But that is what he’s doing.

 

[OrangeDW]

If you haven’t sat with your back touching the wall of the Dome, you’re not a fan in my book.

Sounds like part of the “real fan experience” to me.

 

[crv1728]

I can’t answer…I’ll just add that some fans don’t live in Syracuse anymore.

Another former Syracuse resident that had season tickets for years. Since I can’t comment on the topic itself I will only say that I will travel back to games much less frequently if a certain coach continues to make idiotic comments.

 

[Day2]

Sports are a business. Coaches just aren’t involved in the dollars and cents.

Coaches are the programmers at Intel told to make a CPU faster than AMD’s. That’s it. They’re measured by plugging the CPU in and running tests and seeing if their number is higher or lower. Whether consumers want that CPU, buy that CPU, love or hate that CPU is not their concern. That’s somebody else’s job. They’re certainly not going to go to the message boards and see that CheetoFart69 said “I think the CPU would be faster if it was a man-to-man CPU instead of a zone CPU” and go ‘Wow, what an awesome idea, let’s do that!’

Well, as far as analogies go, that is one.

 

[Brooky03]

Well, as far as analogies go, that is one.

It’s definitely one of the analogies of all time.





I’m so darn good at them.

 

[Day2]

It’s definitely one of the analogies of all time.





I’m so darn good at them.

Speaking as someone who used to be a programmer, you couldn’t be more wrong.

 

[kingtidge]

“Selling a product”

That’s where there is a disconnect. Sports coaches aren’t selling anything. They’d coach sports for free if there was no market for sports. If they couldn’t do it with the money they have, they’d work a normal job, have a normal career, and coach sports on the side. Nobody would be a VP of marketing or sales or product development for free as a hobby that they just love. Well, maybe some weirdos, but ‘exception that proves the rule’ and all that.

Players and coaches certainly benefit from their skills and can make an excellent living. And they’re certainly happy for that. There are some just doing it because they lucked into being good at it and can make money (more common with players), but most would be coaching or playing for the fun of it and/or the competition.

Competition is the other point. Coaches and players have an objective measuring stick, more so than a VP of product development. Sure, you can measure sales and profit and costs and stock price, all of that. But there is nothing close to a win column and a loss column. If coaches could coach and players could play without fans, they’d still have motivation to do so because they’re measured by wins and losses. A VP of Product Development doesn’t exist without consumers buying their product. They need feedback from consumers because consumers buying the product is the closest thing they have to a win/loss record. Fans don’t impact wins and losses.

I am not sure what world you think you live in, but I am definitely glad it doesn't actually exist.

Speaking as someone who used to be a programmer, you couldn’t be more wrong.

He's pretty darn good at that part.

 

[Brooky03]

That doesn’t make much sense.

I think I’ve watched 2 games live since Feb. started. The rest I watched the condensed game on YouTube afterwards….or didn’t even bother.

Real easy for someone to NOT travel to Syracuse for a game. Very difficult for someone to pack up and move to a different country, even if they want to.

I consulted with myself and determined it made sense.

I’ve also gone to fewer games. Went from having season tickets 5 or 6 years ago to seeing about 2 games a year since then. And while I watch most of them, I’m okay with turning the game off early or just checking the box score a lot of times.

I was mostly picking on the likely empty threat of “if he says more dumb stuff that’s the final straw!” a) if the coach being an idiot is reason enough to forego games I don’t think such a person was too keen on going to them in the first place. b) if the dumb stuff he’s said up to this point isn’t enough to keep them away I don’t think there are more dumb things he could say to tip the scales.

 

[Brooky03]

I have no idea what this means. And I don’t care to know, so save your response.

I didn’t save my response.


Now what happens?

 

[Brooky03]

Speaking as someone who used to be a programmer, you couldn’t be more wrong.

Speaking as somebody who has never been a programmer, I’m super right.

Edit: and are those dudes even programmers? Or is it a computer engineer type thing? Idk. I’m not talking about dudes writing software that users interface with.

 

[Day2]

I consulted with myself and determined it made sense.

I’ve also gone to fewer games. Went from having season tickets 5 or 6 years ago to seeing about 2 games a year since then. And while I watch most of them, I’m okay with turning the game off early or just checking the box score a lot of times.

I was mostly picking on the likely empty threat of “if he says more dumb stuff that’s the final straw!” a) if the coach being an idiot is reason enough to forego games I don’t think such a person was too keen on going to them in the first place. b) if the dumb stuff he’s said up to this point isn’t enough to keep them away I don’t think there are more dumb things he could say to tip the scales.

How long have you thought JB is an idiot?