Opportunity to move up in the rankings

[Toga]

Where am I?

 

[wooddoc]

I don't like "jump..." At this point, I'd be content with moving up 2 spots. Moving up, now, is more like rock climbing than being on a diving board. Actually, 1 spot would be great. There are how many D1 teams in the mix? Call me wary of manipulating polls for the sake of revenue. Best SU team I've seen in awhile, and memories of Mac seem a little sharper, lately. Stay awhile, Coach B, we like what you're doing. Congrats to SU football. I need a nap...

 

[Cuseregular]

Where am I?

You're NOT on the OT board. Thank God, we needed a break.

 

[NKR1978]

We should move up to 18 and 20 in the polls.

CFP rankings we should be 14 or 15.

 

[cuse522]

We should jump Texas, Iowa, and Utah for sure. That gets us to 16, which is the worst-case scenario to me. I think we jump at least 2/3 of Mississippi State, Penn State and Florida, but it's hard to say. That's a really bad loss for Florida, but how far will they drop them?

Also, FWIW, even if we don't pass any of those three teams *now*, we should pass them all if we win out... unless Miss St beats Alabama, which isn't very likely. If we win out and Penn State and Florida win out, we'd be adding higher quality wins.

So this week we go to like somewhere in the range of #16 to #13. If we win next week, the only tough matchups for teams ahead of us are Ohio State @ Michigan State and Georgia vs Auburn. Maybe we catch a break and someone is an upset victim and we can move up to the range of like #15 to #10.

The following week is where we can make a big move, as a win over a top-5 Notre Dame team would probably move us up a couple spots regardless of what happens elsewhere. But we'd still be behind ND, and we'd still need some help. I think the following week, a win might move us ahead of the loser in WV/Oklahoma, and maayyyyybe the loser in Michigan/Ohio State. So now we're in the range of #6-#8 without anything crazy happening.

The problem is, as others have pointed out, those last few spots are the toughest to move up. We'd need most teams ahead of us to lose AT LEAST twice, not once. In some cases, three times. I think ND losing at USC would be critical, for example.

So basically, this week was fun because we just had to win and have any of like 10-12 teams lose - and we got a lot of luck in that department. As it gets toward the last two weeks, we need the exact right parlay to happen. This is why our odds of finishing 6th-10th are pretty good, but our odds of making the playoff are still extremely low - even if we win out.

But damn if it isn't going to be insanely fun if we keep winning.

 

[upperdeck]

polls are funny. In the AP what do they do I mean Wv moves ahead of kent but after that fl/psu/tex/utah/ maybe houston and also Iowa all lose so does utah stat if they win jump to 11 or 12?

in a perfect world we slot utah st/fresno/miss st/su all up 6-9 spots next week but no way does that happen

imagine if Utah st loses to hawaii later or Cal pulls a stunner over WSU

 

[omniorange]

We should move up to 18 and 20 in the polls.

CFP rankings we should be 14 or 15.

Maybe but I think the AP voters adjust to align more with the CFP rankings especially after seeing the results of today so I see us in the 16-18 range on their poll.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[bigmike]

Just got back from the game. Don't know about the polls, but what I can say with certainty at this point is:

Goodnight.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Right now we are 19th.

You figure the loser of 13 WVU and 17 Texas will fall below us.

16 Iowa is losing 21-10 at Purdue.

11 Florida is losing at home early to Missouri.

15 Utah is losing at Arizona State.

14 Penn State will probably lose at Michigan.

I think we've got 5 or 6 places we could move up -

#17 Texas now has 3 losses
#20 Texas A&M lost today and has 4 losses
#16 Iowa loses to Purdue and now has 3 losses
#14 Penn State blown out by Michigan, now has 3 losses
#11 Florida blown out by Missouri, has 3 losses
#15 Utah lost to Arizona State, also has 3 losses

What do you think? I see us moving up to 14-15 in the computer ranking. Great win today!

 

[IthacaMatt]

Where did being ranked #19 come from? Could’ve sworn we were #24 in coaches poll and #22 in AP poll?

That's the College Playoff Computer rankings. That's going to get us an extra bump in the media polls.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Maybe but I think the AP voters adjust to align more with the CFP rankings especially after seeing the results of today so I see us in the 16-18 range on their poll.

Cheers,
Neil

That would be placing us behind about 3 teams with 3 losses.
We might go as high as 14th.

 

[omniorange]

That would be placing us behind about 3 teams with 3 losses.
We might go as high as 14th.

I earlier said we would be Top 15 in CFP. The post you replied to is where I was disputing a predication on the AP Poll which the previous poster said 18-20 and I predicted 16-18. I see us 16-18 there for two reasons 1) because the writers start to adjust to the CFP rankings as the weeks start to go by and 2) because the writers also like to "stick it to the man" in these polls by overcompensating underdogs, so teams like Utah State and Fresno State (assuming they win/won tonight I haven't checked) will likely stay ahead of us there.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[JrodCuse]

Here's where I see our upside week over week if we win each game:

This week 14-15
Next week 12-13
Beat ND 9-10
Beat BC 7-8

 

[cuse10]

CBS has them at 13

 

[cuse309]

I don't understand why anyone gives a hoot about any poll but the CFP poll. They literally do not matter at all. Once the CFP poll begins being released, they should become as relevant as my top 25. Syracuse comes in at #1 in my pol by the way. I did give Bama strong consideration though.

 

[orange79]

I don't understand why anyone gives a hoot about any poll but the CFP poll. They literally do not matter at all. Once the CFP poll begins being released, they should become as relevant as my top 25. Syracuse comes in at #1 in my pol by the way. I did give Bama strong consideration though.

Actually, they do matter. Public perception, while not the be-all/end-all, is important. They affect recruiting, donations, etc.

Not saying they are the most important thing, but to say they don't matter at all is being a bit short-sighted, IMO.

 

[texascpa]

I don't understand why anyone gives a hoot about any poll but the CFP poll. They literally do not matter at all. Once the CFP poll begins being released, they should become as relevant as my top 25. Syracuse comes in at #1 in my pol by the way. I did give Bama strong consideration though.

I agree that the CFP poll is the one that matters the most, but being on those other polls still goes a long way towards perception. Perception is a lot in this game.

 

[cuse309]

Actually, they do matter. Public perception, while not the be-all/end-all, is important. They affect recruiting, donations, etc.

Not saying they are the most important thing, but to say they don't matter at all is being a bit short-sighted, IMO.

I agree your ranking matters in that regard, but I would think that the perception people have of your team, would be based on your CFP poll ranking. There is a lot more thought put into those rankings by a committee, than there is in the AP, or Coaches poll.

 

[cuse309]

I think we should have a weekly poll that ranks the weekly polls. Can't have enough polls. (that's what she said)

 

[omniorange]

I think why the other two polls (but the AP especially) matter is that they come out on Sunday. This allows the marketing to begin faster than waiting until Tuesday night to learn what the CFP ranking will be.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[longislandcuse]

Actually, they do matter. Public perception, while not the be-all/end-all, is important. They affect recruiting, donations, etc.

Not saying they are the most important thing, but to say they don't matter at all is being a bit short-sighted, IMO.

But nobody uses them when the CFP poll comes out. They’re important in the first half of the season for sure. Every single place I looked this past week had the CFP poll ranking next to our name. I could care less what the AP/Coaches think once the CFP comes into play.

 

[Chip]

It’s nice to wake up on rankings day and think where, not if.

And an extra hour of sleep to boot.

It’s a twofer.

 

[GoSU96]

Not sure where the cut-off for "garbage" is, but I'd say we brought our C game. Point being, we did what a top 15 type of team does on the road, vs. a middle of the pack conference foe. We won by 17. If we can beat a ok team on the road by 17 playing our C game, that's promising.

Agree that was a pretty pedestrian effort yesterday

 

[qdawgg]

But nobody uses them when the CFP poll comes out. They’re important in the first half of the season for sure. Every single place I looked this past week had the CFP poll ranking next to our name. I could care less what the AP/Coaches think once the CFP comes into play.

You’re missing the point, it’s the perception. There’s still a lot of casual fans who don’t even know what the CFP poll is. Was just talking to someone this weekend who had no idea we were ranked 19 because he didn’t know anything about the CFP poll. A lot of casual fans that still only pay attention to AP and coaches poll because that’s all they’ve ever done.

 

[upperdeck]

how can we say there is any perception when we have endless threads about people not reading the paper or watching the news.. where are all these casual fans getting thier information? its its ESPN the the playoff ranking is all that matters