Opposing Coach(es) Size Up Syracuse

[sufandu]

Haven't we lost our best reciever every year? Wasn't a huge amount of the defensive personnel last year recruited by Dino as either straight out od high school or as transfers? If anyone has paid attention, with the exception of Dungey and Slayton, the more Dino's recruits have seen the field, the better we have played.

It really sounds like that coach is giving Dungey credit for everything. He does leave big shoes to fill, but anytime a good qb leaves a program that's the case. Anyone that watched the end of the UNC game could see Devito has the goods. We may miss some of Dungey's escapability from time to time, but the passing game may surprise some teams that haven't paid attention. This year will be fun.

 

[hungrychuck]

Haven't we lost our best reciever every year? Wasn't a huge amount of the defensive personnel last year recruited by Dino as either straight out od high school or as transfers? If anyone has paid attention, with the exception of Dungey and Slayton, the more Dino's recruits have seen the field, the better we have played.

It really sounds like that coach is giving Dungey credit for everything. He does leave big shoes to fill, but anytime a good qb leaves a program that's the case. Anyone that watched the end of the UNC game could see Devito has the goods. We may miss some of Dungey's escapability from time to time, but the passing game may surprise some teams that haven't paid attention. This year will be fun.

The coach is either clueless or agenda-driven.

That said, I think Eric is going to be much more difficult to replace than many are able to understand.

Hope I’m wrong, but it’s not just about whether someone can “spin it” or has “arm talent.”

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Someone’s mad we were picked ahead of his team. Probably the Louisville coach who doesn’t know any ACC players.

 

[shu 49]

The coach is either clueless or agenda-driven.

That said, I think Eric is going to be much more difficult to replace than many are able to understand.

Hope I’m wrong, but it’s not just about whether someone can “spin it” or has “arm talent.”

My only rebutal on that is Ed missed a ton of throws so he could run. The times he eyed receivers down he ran half of them. Now when he looked off at least one he threw pretty good but his instinct is to run and not throw. Td will make a lot more throws that Eric didn’t but won’t run as much so in the end I don’t feel we will drop off much if at all. If TD has the same spirit too win as Ed did we will be really good.

 

[sufandu]

The coach is either clueless or agenda-driven.

That said, I think Eric is going to be much more difficult to replace than many are able to understand.

Hope I’m wrong, but it’s not just about whether someone can “spin it” or has “arm talent.”

It's not just about that, but it's also not just about whether a guy has "escapability" or "can make plays with his feet." ED and TD have different skillsets and physical tools. From reports and the small sample size we've had, it seems that some of ED's weaknesses may be TD's strengths. How that translates to season long success remains to be seen.

 

[SUskibum]

The coach is either clueless or agenda-driven.

That said, I think Eric is going to be much more difficult to replace than many are able to understand.

Hope I’m wrong, but it’s not just about whether someone can “spin it” or has “arm talent.”

Dungey was 5-2 vs P5 last year

Tommy was 2-1 vs P5 last year

That is without the offense being tailored for Tommy and without the benefit of first team reps.

We’ll be more than fine

 

[Townie72]

Then the leading premise of his position is false.

Because the opposing coach or coaches are wrong about the level of returning players, doesn’t mean he or they are necessarily wrong about everything in this rather complex assessment of the current and future state of the program. This guy is a major doubter or he is interested in shedding doubt about the foundations of the program.

Opposing Coach:

“Dino Babers has had a remarkable run with a roster that's had a lot of experience.

He's done a great job. But he's had a team full of older kids. He's had that quarterback (Eric Dungey) ever since he's been there and this past season all of that came to fruition.”

Comment: That’s not completely untrue. Last year’s 10-win team did have good players who were “experienced”.

Opposing Coach:

“Now because of their talent base and what you can really do with recruiting there, there's a big question around if he can keep it going, if he can keep winning and keep attention on the program with the less experienced side of that roster. it's going to be hard...”

Comment: This is actually two points:

The first is that it’s going to be difficult to keep up the success at SU because of the quality of the local recruiting pool and the lack of attractiveness of the school to the real recruiting hotbeds.

The second is that it’s going to be difficult to keep the momentum going with this years’ squad that is less experienced than last year’s. I’ll agree that this year’s squad has plenty of experience.

Opposing Coach:

“The interesting thing about an Art Briles offensive system is that it's built almost exclusively on the talent level and the awareness of your quarterback. The other skill position experience doesn't dictate anything.”

Comment: I think this is probably true. This offense, more than most, really does need a very good QB.

Opposing Coach: What are they going to look like now? Tommy DeVito is the guy there; they lost the other kid (Chance Amie) to the transfer portal along with their best receiver (Custis?).

Comment: The Orange faithful, having seen TD do well in relief of ED last year aren’t concerned. And they do not think that Chance Amie was that big a loss. But this coach thinks there is a significant fall-off when TD is not in the game.

Opposing Coach:

“Just based on experience, we think they're going to fall back and look as young as they are on offense...”

Comment: This is a value judgement. TD just doesn’t strike the fear in their heart that Dungey did. This is more about Dungey than it is TD.

Opposing Coach: “Defensively they're built to suit their offense, which is sort of saying that they're not really extra talented at any one place and they want to take risks and the ball back to their QBs.”

Comment: Interesting point. I’m not sure I’m qualified to assess the degree to which we “taking risks” and that this year’s team won’t be quite as successful taking them.

Opposing Coach: “Just like with the offense, they had a lot of veterans last year so they could do more.”

Comment: I’m not sure what is being said here as this isn’t an English sentence. But it may be that he’s saying the defense will be as experienced as last year’s offense was and they might be able to do more.

Opposing Coach:

“ Let's see how multiple they can get with new personnel they've been recruiting."

Comment: Now that’s a slam. This guy is saying that SU is not recruiting the quality of athlete needs to implement the more sophisticated (Multiple” strategies SU has been employing

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Because the opposing coach or coaches are wrong about the level of returning players, doesn’t mean he or they are necessarily wrong about everything in this rather complex assessment of the current and future state of the program. This guy is a major doubter or he is interested in shedding doubt about the foundations of the program.

Opposing Coach:

“Dino Babers has had a remarkable run with a roster that's had a lot of experience.

He's done a great job. But he's had a team full of older kids. He's had that quarterback (Eric Dungey) ever since he's been there and this past season all of that came to fruition.”

Comment: That’s not completely untrue. Last year’s 10-win team did have good players who were “experienced”.

Opposing Coach:

“Now because of their talent base and what you can really do with recruiting there, there's a big question around if he can keep it going, if he can keep winning and keep attention on the program with the less experienced side of that roster. it's going to be hard...”

Comment: This is actually two points:

The first is that it’s going to be difficult to keep up the success at SU because of the quality of the local recruiting pool and the lack of attractiveness of the school to the real recruiting hotbeds.

The second is that it’s going to be difficult to keep the momentum going with this years’ squad that is less experienced than last year’s. I’ll agree that this year’s squad has plenty of experience.

Opposing Coach:

“The interesting thing about an Art Briles offensive system is that it's built almost exclusively on the talent level and the awareness of your quarterback. The other skill position experience doesn't dictate anything.”

Comment: I think this is probably true. This offense, more than most, really does need a very good QB.

Opposing Coach: What are they going to look like now? Tommy DeVito is the guy there; they lost the other kid (Chance Amie) to the transfer portal along with their best receiver (Custis?).

Comment: The Orange faithful, having seen TD do well in relief of ED last year aren’t concerned. And they do not think that Chance Amie was that big a loss. But this coach thinks there is a significant fall-off when TD is not in the game.

Opposing Coach:

“Just based on experience, we think they're going to fall back and look as young as they are on offense...”

Comment: This is a value judgement. TD just doesn’t strike the fear in their heart that Dungey did. This is more about Dungey than it is TD.

Opposing Coach: “Defensively they're built to suit their offense, which is sort of saying that they're not really extra talented at any one place and they want to take risks and the ball back to their QBs.”

Comment: Interesting point. I’m not sure I’m qualified to assess the degree to which we “taking risks” and that this year’s team won’t be quite as successful taking them.

Opposing Coach: “Just like with the offense, they had a lot of veterans last year so they could do more.”

Comment: I’m not sure what is being said here as this isn’t an English sentence. But it may be that he’s saying the defense will be as experienced as last year’s offense was and they might be able to do more.

Opposing Coach:

“ Let's see how multiple they can get with new personnel they've been recruiting."

Comment: Now that’s a slam. This guy is saying that SU is not recruiting the quality of athlete needs to implement the more sophisticated (Multiple” strategies SU has been employing

I admire your commitment to dying on this hill.

 

[Townie72]

I admire your commitment to dying on this hill.

I know. As I was typing it, I wondered if it would do any good.

This board currently is sort of the inverse of the basketball board in which SU strategies, recruiting, coaching are subject to pretty constant criticism.

The collective wisdom, with some cautions that people ignore, is that it's all gonna be great from here on. "It ain't gonna rain no more, no more". And it's no just that they want it to be true, it's that they are convinced of it.

I hope they are right.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I know. As I was typing it, I wondered if it would do any good.

This board currently is sort of the inverse of the basketball board in which SU strategies, recruiting, coaching are subject to pretty constant criticism.

The collective wisdom, with some cautions that people ignore, is that it's all gonna be great from here on. "It ain't gonna rain no more, no more". And it's no just that they want it to be true, it's that they are convinced of it.

I hope they are right.

Twas a noble battle you waged, sir.

 

[TheCusian]

Because the opposing coach or coaches are wrong about the level of returning players, doesn’t mean he or they are necessarily wrong about everything in this rather complex assessment of the current and future state of the program. This guy is a major doubter or he is interested in shedding doubt about the foundations of the program.

Opposing Coach:

“Dino Babers has had a remarkable run with a roster that's had a lot of experience.

He's done a great job. But he's had a team full of older kids. He's had that quarterback (Eric Dungey) ever since he's been there and this past season all of that came to fruition.”

Comment: That’s not completely untrue. Last year’s 10-win team did have good players who were “experienced”.

Opposing Coach:

“Now because of their talent base and what you can really do with recruiting there, there's a big question around if he can keep it going, if he can keep winning and keep attention on the program with the less experienced side of that roster. it's going to be hard...”

Comment: This is actually two points:

The first is that it’s going to be difficult to keep up the success at SU because of the quality of the local recruiting pool and the lack of attractiveness of the school to the real recruiting hotbeds.

The second is that it’s going to be difficult to keep the momentum going with this years’ squad that is less experienced than last year’s. I’ll agree that this year’s squad has plenty of experience.

Opposing Coach:

“The interesting thing about an Art Briles offensive system is that it's built almost exclusively on the talent level and the awareness of your quarterback. The other skill position experience doesn't dictate anything.”

Comment: I think this is probably true. This offense, more than most, really does need a very good QB.

Opposing Coach: What are they going to look like now? Tommy DeVito is the guy there; they lost the other kid (Chance Amie) to the transfer portal along with their best receiver (Custis?).

Comment: The Orange faithful, having seen TD do well in relief of ED last year aren’t concerned. And they do not think that Chance Amie was that big a loss. But this coach thinks there is a significant fall-off when TD is not in the game.

Opposing Coach:

“Just based on experience, we think they're going to fall back and look as young as they are on offense...”

Comment: This is a value judgement. TD just doesn’t strike the fear in their heart that Dungey did. This is more about Dungey than it is TD.

Opposing Coach: “Defensively they're built to suit their offense, which is sort of saying that they're not really extra talented at any one place and they want to take risks and the ball back to their QBs.”

Comment: Interesting point. I’m not sure I’m qualified to assess the degree to which we “taking risks” and that this year’s team won’t be quite as successful taking them.

Opposing Coach: “Just like with the offense, they had a lot of veterans last year so they could do more.”

Comment: I’m not sure what is being said here as this isn’t an English sentence. But it may be that he’s saying the defense will be as experienced as last year’s offense was and they might be able to do more.

Opposing Coach:

“ Let's see how multiple they can get with new personnel they've been recruiting."

Comment: Now that’s a slam. This guy is saying that SU is not recruiting the quality of athlete needs to implement the more sophisticated (Multiple” strategies SU has been employing

I think this proved two things.

1. You're right. It wasn't just that 1 instance of bad reasoning.
2. It was a whole bunch of it, weaved into some basic truisms.

 

[upperdeck]

we had a SR Qb that missed half of his career
our SR Wr barely played before the SR yr
our SR LBs barely played before the SR yr
our SR tackle was brand new
our SR RB was not our most talented RB.

Slayton will be missed.

we had some older guys, but also guys who didnt really play all that much and played multiple systems

we now have some younger guys but guys 2-3 yrs into the same system on both sides of the ball.

 

[sufandu]

I know. As I was typing it, I wondered if it would do any good.

This board currently is sort of the inverse of the basketball board in which SU strategies, recruiting, coaching are subject to pretty constant criticism.

The collective wisdom, with some cautions that people ignore, is that it's all gonna be great from here on. "It ain't gonna rain no more, no more". And it's no just that they want it to be true, it's that they are convinced of it.

I hope they are right.

I don't see universal unrealistic expectations on here. I see a lot of 8-9 win predictions with people saying 11 is a possibility with some breaks. What people on here see that others outside the program don't is the increased use of young guys as the season progressed last year, especially in the secondary and at WR. Overall, we probably have more two deep experience than we had going into last year. Any opinion opposing that is mostly looking at Dungey. That should definitely translate to a chance for sustained success this year and beyond.

In the name of balancing out the optimism, I have seen a number of threads expressing concern about LB and the oline and how our success likely hinges on those two groups. Of course having a transition at QB leads to questions, but that happens all over the country and, as much as we loved him, Dungey was not Donovan McNabb and his replacement is more talented than anyone we tried to replace McNabb with.

I think the strongest contributor to fan optimism is simply trust in Dino. We have seen him take players from the previous staff and make them more successful while consistently filling holes/upgrading positions with both traditional recruits and both kinds of transfers. Up to this point, he has given little reason to doubt his plan and it's execution.

 

[NJCuse97]

The coach is either clueless or agenda-driven.

That said, I think Eric is going to be much more difficult to replace than many are able to understand.

Hope I’m wrong, but it’s not just about whether someone can “spin it” or has “arm talent.”

My concern here is all the second guessing we will see at any/every sack, or failed conversion of third and short. “ED would have gotten that” or “ED wouldn’t have been sacked there” will be the mantra of the ED lovers and I for one am not looking forward to it. I know I won’t get an honest answer, but I honestly and openly wondered about ED and TD’s relationship. I think ED felt the pressure and didn’t like it. I think that was behind ED’s comments about Chance Aime.

 

[SU68]

Worst commercial presently on the airwaves right now, IMHO.

My vote goes to "Jamie" in the Progressive Insurance commercials.

 

[orange79]

My vote goes to "Jamie" in the Progressive Insurance commercials.

BEST. COMMERCIAL. CHARACTER. EVER.

 

[jgeorge322]

Would not have ended well for the Wake coaches.

In all seriousness though, Shafer's staff and Clawson's staff loathed each other. Absolutely no love lost. Several of the former coaches did not even try to hide it, either.

I believe the syracuse defense took all that anger out on wake’s qb last year.

 

[syrBossHogg]

If the team can be more efficient with the passing game with DeVito at the helm it will more than compensate the loss of Dungey's scrambling ability. All the analytics in football will tell you that it's better to pass the ball and be good at it then running the ball. We will miss Dungey's running in the goal line packages IMO but I think Babers and the staff will still find ways to score touchdowns

 

[skurey]

If the team can be more efficient with the passing game with DeVito at the helm it will more than compensate the loss of Dungey's scrambling ability. All the analytics in football will tell you that it's better to pass the ball and be good at it then running the ball. We will miss Dungey's running in the goal line packages IMO but I think Babers and the staff will still find ways to score touchdowns

Yeah we already struggled inside the 5 with Dungey hopefully we can fix that.

 

[rrlbees]

I have ZERO concerns about Tommy, especially since he’ll get all the reps now and is the man. But some downplay Eric. He completed 61% of his passes. Not bad. TD was 51%. Eric’s QB rating was 137. TD was 110. Eric was 18-9 TD to INT. TD was 4-3. Of course TD didn’t get the work Eric did.

 

[SWC75]

I admire your commitment to dying on this hill.

 

[Crusty]

Been busy this past summer and haven't been on the board much. I come back to see not much has changed. For all we know it's some junior assistant jerk certainly sounds like someone with surface knowledge.

Anyone paying attention knows that we are up a few notches in talent level and the defense looks solid. As I keep saying, TD is the real deal and will prove it this year. Just listen how Dino is challenging him to hit smaller windows. We're way past basics here.
The skill positions are the best in what, 20 years?

Why we bother reading this crap I will never know. That is all.
LGO

 

[OrangePA]

Just got my Athlon College Football preview. They like us to go 9-3 and their write up shows good respect. But they had a side-bar with the above title. It seemed to be from one opposing coach as it had the same theme throughout:

"Dino Babers has had a remarkable run with a roster that's had a lot of experience. he's done a great job. But he's had a team full of older kids. He's had that quarterback (Eric Dungey) ever since he's been there and this past season all of that came to fruition. Now because of their talent base and what you can really do with recruiting there, there's a big question around if he can keep it going, if he can keep winning and keep attention on the program with the less experienced side of that roster. it's going to be hard...The interesting thing about an Art Briles offensive system is that it's built almost exclusively on the talent level and the awareness of your quarterback your quarterback. The other skill position experience doesn't dictate anything. What are they going to look like now? Tommy DeVito is the guy there; they lost the other kid (Chance Amie) to the transfer portal along with their best receiver. Just based on experience, we think they're going to fall back and look as young as they are on offense...Defensively they're built to suit their offense, which is sort of saying that they're not really extra talented at any one place and they want to take risks and the ball back to their QBs. Just like with the offense, they had a lot of veterans last year so they could do more. let's see how multiple they can get with new personnel they've been recruiting."

Apparently these (this) anonymous coaches (coach) thinks Dino won last year with Shafer's grown-up recruits and that the recruiting has gone downhill since he arrived. I assume he thinks our "best receiver" was Devin Butler and that Alton Robinson, Kendall Coleman and Andre Cisco aren't "extra talented". I also wonder how much of this is Art Briles' system and how much of it is Dino Baber's system. Finally, if "experience doesn't dictate anything" in Briles' system, then why does he thing we will "fall back" because we lack it?

Have at it.

Jamal Custis.

 

[bigmike]

Just got my Athlon College Football preview. They like us to go 9-3 and their write up shows good respect. But they had a side-bar with the above title. It seemed to be from one opposing coach as it had the same theme throughout:

"Dino Babers has had a remarkable run with a roster that's had a lot of experience. he's done a great job. But he's had a team full of older kids. He's had that quarterback (Eric Dungey) ever since he's been there and this past season all of that came to fruition. Now because of their talent base and what you can really do with recruiting there, there's a big question around if he can keep it going, if he can keep winning and keep attention on the program with the less experienced side of that roster. it's going to be hard...The interesting thing about an Art Briles offensive system is that it's built almost exclusively on the talent level and the awareness of your quarterback your quarterback. The other skill position experience doesn't dictate anything. What are they going to look like now? Tommy DeVito is the guy there; they lost the other kid (Chance Amie) to the transfer portal along with their best receiver. Just based on experience, we think they're going to fall back and look as young as they are on offense...Defensively they're built to suit their offense, which is sort of saying that they're not really extra talented at any one place and they want to take risks and the ball back to their QBs. Just like with the offense, they had a lot of veterans last year so they could do more. let's see how multiple they can get with new personnel they've been recruiting."

Apparently these (this) anonymous coaches (coach) thinks Dino won last year with Shafer's grown-up recruits and that the recruiting has gone downhill since he arrived. I assume he thinks our "best receiver" was Devin Butler and that Alton Robinson, Kendall Coleman and Andre Cisco aren't "extra talented". I also wonder how much of this is Art Briles' system and how much of it is Dino Baber's system. Finally, if "experience doesn't dictate anything" in Briles' system, then why does he thing we will "fall back" because we lack it?

Have at it.

Starting to wonder here. Still a believer, but starting to wonder..

 

[FrancoPizza]

Starting to wonder here. Still a believer, but starting to wonder..

Uncanny almost Nostradamus like