OT Schiano remains a classless jerk

[Eric15]

I personally do not have a problem with it. If it was a 28 point game with 5 seconds left, then yes, that would be completely bush league.

It's a one possession game, and while a fumble on the snap is very unlikely, it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Just because traditional football etiquette says that you don't really try on QB kneel-down plays, does not mean the Bucs are obligated to abide by that.

 

[kuethstheman]

Throw those guys on the Giants OL and have their knees chopped at with no time left on the clock in V formation and see how much they agree with it

Per Golic, TB used standard goal-line defense techniques. He said the OL should have seen it coming and been prepared for it. I can see how they would have been surprised and maybe not prepared. They will be next time.

 

[Orangeyes]

Schiano has always had a lot of class as a coach--unfortunately, all of it is low class.

Glad to see him getting lambasted in the national sports media--there's no room in the game for intentionally injuring players. And I love his comment about "...well, if you ever watched Rutgers, you'd see that's how we've always done it." Exactly, jerkoff.

What a scumbag.

Mike Golic on M&M said that there was nothing wrong with what the Bucs did. He said they got down in their stance and all but announced that they were coming after it. It was either him or Chris Carter who said if you want to prevent that from happening have your QB back in the shot gun formation.

 

[Cadillac]

People defended the Saints and Bountygate, so why not this.

Different degrees of the same fake macho bullshit.

 

[Orangeyes]

Mike Francesa Show to discuss Shady's coaching decision, coming up soon.

 

[PhatOrange]

Game's not over you play to the final whistle as far as I'm concerned.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I personally do not have a problem with it. If it was a 28 point game with 5 seconds left, then yes, that would be completely bush league.

It's a one possession game, and while a fumble on the snap is very unlikely, it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Just because traditional football etiquette says that you don't really try on QB kneel-down plays, does not mean the Bucs are obligated to abide by that.

Again...Schiano did that at Rutgers when they were down more than ONE score. Its a philosophical thing for him which is fine in college, but you have grown men feeding families playing in the pros.
Also, for those who reference the "Herm Edwards- Miracle in the Meadowlands" play, the Victory Formation was instituted precisely BECAUSE of that one play. How many more "fumbles for TD's w/ 10 seconds left" plays have happened since 1978????
I would guess, NONE!
It was a Joe College d&%k move, IMO.

 

[Orangeyes]

Giants defensive end Justin Tuck: ”Well, it won’t be forgotten, I’ll just say that.”

Giants right guard Chris Snee, according to USA Today: ”It’s just unfortunate this is what we have to talk about when you have a great fourth-quarter game between two teams, and all you’re talking about is really a bush-league play at the end. Fortunately, nobody got hurt. Guys are throwing helmets into knees. It’s the end of the game. They might do that in college, but we don’t do that here.

Giants quarterback Eli Manning: ”That was a first. Obviously I think it’s a little bit of a cheap shot. We’re taking a knee, we’re in a friendly way, and they’re firing off and that’s a way to get someone hurt.”

Buccaneers defensive tackle Gerald McCoy: “We do what we’re coached. I’ll leave it at that.”

Coughlin: ”I don’t think you do that at this level. You don’t do that in this league. You don’t just, you jeopardize the offensive line, you jeopardize the quarterback. Thank goodness we didn’t get anyone hurt — that I know of. ”

Schiano, Coughlin and the Unwritten Rules

"I agree with Schiano on one thing … it is not illegal, but it is definitely dirty. However he tries to sell himself on the idea that it is his team’s fighting until the very end, that isn’t going to fly with the other coaches of the NFL, or any level.

I understand that Schiano is trying to overhaul his team, both physically and competitively, but this isn’t the way to do it. Order your team to fight hard, but diving at the knees of offensive lineman on a play in which they are conceding is not fighting; it’s taking a cheap shot. Tom Coughlin had every right to be enraged.

Greg Schiano will be embarrassed for, not only the order itself, but the subsequent comments he made trying to justify it."
Brian Billick former NFL Head Coach

There’s No Fighting In A Victory Formation; Or, Why Greg Schiano Is The Worst Kind of NFL Coach

"There is a time to fight and a time to take a loss, tip your helmet and move on. The symbolic point of making the most of every single second is not as important as the real point of preserving the health of the multi-million dollar asset of another team. It's just fair play. One can only imagine if Manning had stepped wrong and suffered an injury during the scramble. The outrage would be real and warranted.

In short, there is nothing wrong with knowing when you are beaten, showing respect to your opponent, and vowing to fight another day. It's one view Schiano might have to adopt."
Ian Rappaport NFL News

"I get what Schiano wants -- aggressiveness out of the defense and a change in attitude; but this is not the play to do it,'' said former Kansas City Chiefs general manager and current NFL Network analyst Charlie Casserly. "You don't accomplish anything by being aggressive in this situation. And when have you seen Eli Manning complain about somebody?''
TBO

Silverman: Bush-League Maneuver Will Put Schiano's Bucs At Risk

 

[JoeCollege]

It was a Joe College d&%k move, IMO.

Hey, I resemble that remark. Just ask PeteCalvin's mom.

 

[kingottoiii]

Game's not over you play to the final whistle as far as I'm concerned.

That is true but how can anyone say in their right mind that TB was trying for the ball there? How does diving at your opponents knees help cause a fumble? Heck Eli could have fumbled and not one TB player would have been near the ball as they all dove at the OLmen. The DL cannot move until the ball is snapped. By the time they are diving the QB already has the ball. So all you really end up doing is taking a shot at OL knees and pushing OL into a kneeling QB. If it were easy to get a fumble on the snap, Ds would do it every play.

 

[kuethstheman]

Giants defensive end Justin Tuck: ”Well, it won’t be forgotten, I’ll just say that.”

Silverman: Bush-League Maneuver Will Put Schiano's Bucs At Risk

Yeah but there are a lot of people on Schiano's side too with what I think are valid points.

I don't have a problem with it as far as trying to win the game. I don't like it as an aggressiveness for aggressiveness's sake thing (like doing it when you can't win even if you get a fumble, e.g. two TDs down). If I understand correctly, aggressiveness is Schiano's justification so I agree he's mostly being a douche.

It also strikes me as weird that football people are trying to make the NFL out like it's a gentleman's game. There may be unwritten rules but there's also a bunch of underhanded bull that goes on during every play.

 

[PhatOrange]

That is true but how can anyone say in their right mind that TB was trying for the ball there? How does diving at your opponents knees help cause a fumble? Heck Eli could have fumbled and not one TB player would have been near the ball as they all dove at the OLmen. The DL cannot move until the ball is snapped. By the time they are diving the QB already has the ball. So all you really end up doing is taking a shot at OL knees and pushing OL into a kneeling QB. If it were easy to get a fumble on the snap, Ds would do it every play.

Well if the Oline just stands up then they are getting their knees hit. They shouldn't just stand up. They should block the guy in front of them.

I'm not going to argue 'gentlemens rules' etc etc. As athlete or a coach I would play to the final whistle.

I've always felt like taking a knee was more rubbing it in then just lining up and handing the ball off.

 

[Orangeyes]

During tonight's game ESPN's poll had 60.5% agreeing with Tom Coughlin out of the 178,000 people who participated. In NYS it was 69-31 for TC and in Jersey it was 63-37 TC and in Florida it was 51-49 TC. Maine was 50-50 and not one state favored what Shady ordered.

From ESPN's Home Page:
PLAY 'TIL THE WHISTLE BLOWS?

61% of SN agrees with Tom Coughlin that you don't go after the opposing team as it takes a knee. Discuss! »

 

[Ghost]

Schiano says it's worked 4 times in 5 years - is that possibly true?

 

[RMH44]

Schiano says it's worked 4 times in 5 years - is that possibly true?

Schiano is a punk...always has been. Hopefully this incident is the first of many that expose this clown and leads to a mid-season firing.

Keep choppin douche bag.

 

[Orangeyes]

Fifty-five syracusefan.com folks have expressed an opinion on this subject in the various threads.

The results show that 36 support Tom Coughlin's stance, 8 support Schiano's and 11 didn't express an opinion either way.

So of those that did support one or the other 82% are behind Coughlin's thinking on the matter.

 

[Chip]

nfl will probably just create the schiano rule now where if you don't want to run a play, you don't have to. just start the clock and don't do anything.

First you're going to see an ugly ending to a TB win, where a team overly retaliates (doesn't have to be the Giants, I think this pi$$ed off a lot of coaches). Will cause a scene on the field. Then you'll see what you said, new rule where you can just run out the clock.

And yes, it will be the Schiano rule, or the Rutgers rule.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Money quote from Dan Patrick this morning

"Schiano says if anyone watched Rutgers they would know this is how we played. Sorry but noone watches Rutgers."

 

[KaiserUEO]

5 seconds, 5. lets say they recoverd the fumble, now they would have to have run it all the way back. not happening with 2 safetys to pick up fumble or make tackle.

this wasnt csonka and pisarcik.

bush league call from a bush league coach.

 

[StealthTurkey]

Let me start by saying I hate the kneel down. I understand using it if you are winning by more than one possession, and the game is out of reach. But if you are up by only one touchdown or less, I don't think it should be allowed. My solution would be to count a kneel as a spike unless you are up by more than one possession. Make the team run an actual play. Have the clock stop. Play to the whistle is not a bad mantra. BUT.....

As far as Schiano goes, he is a dumbass. He can now never ever complain if a team runs up the score on him, or takes pot shots at his QB. I understand his desire to instill toughness and a better attitude, but pissing coaches and owners off in the new safety first era is a bad idea. If I were Coughlin, I would ask for a review of league policy to insure my linemen aren't injured on a meaningless play. Maybe it could be flagged as unnecessary roughness? If any team could regain possession and re-take control of the game from a kneel, everybody would do it. Schiano needs to smarten up.

 

[rrlbees]

Schiano says it's worked 4 times in 5 years - is that possibly true?

No.

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[Whitey23]

Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano regarded as bully around NFL well before kneel-down incident

 

[StealthTurkey]

No.

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Correct. I think deadspin posted about the games where Schiano referenced that it actually worked, and their research came up empty.

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[sutomcat]

Correct. I think deadspin posted about the games where Schiano referenced that it actually worked, and their research came up empty.

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He always has and always will be a dirty, lying scumbag. It is a shame he missed the bus on the Penn State job. He would have been the perfect successor to Joseph Paterno.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano regarded as bully around NFL well before kneel-down incident

Greg's the Erich Von Stroheim of American Football it would seem.