Painting himself into a corner. Marrone interviewing for Jacksonville O.C. job

[Crusty]

No, it was for $20m for just the additional 2 years. $10m per. Don't buy that at all.

That is just stupid.

 

[xc84]

It was reported by the same media that reported he had the out.

I don't think anyone can question "the out". It's a fact. The Bills organization said it was.

"Doug Marrone informed me late today that he has decided to exercise the option clause in his contract and relinquish his responsibilities as our head coach," Pegula said in a statement."

I am not talking about the media reporting a rumor which suggested that he was offered an extension.

...or do you have a quote from Pegula, Whaley, Brandon that he was offered an extension?

 

[xc84]

That's the problem with those classy coaches who stay silent. If there was an extension offered, I'm sure Marrone wants as few people as possible to know.

He'd probably want less to know he didn't get an offer.

 

[Statesman1]

And you would be wrong. One year's compensation but you take a huge risk that you will be able to find a better job when you reenter the market. The one thing I have learned is that there is no such thing as a free option - they all come with a cost.

$4mil mitigates that risk substantially.

 

[Statesman1]

If he was offered the extension and still left, then that just supports my point even more….whatever it was, money, couldn't get along with the GM, not enough control…..whatever, he was not happy with the job the way it was constructed and opted out…again..on his own terms…to pursue other opportunities. Everybody who has a job, always should retain that option, if you chose to give it up, can't walk away from a job you don't like, then wow….what a life….

Careful Dr. Bill or you will get accused of being in the Fan Club-

 

[Statesman1]

I'm sure he thought he had another HC job waiting for him. Otherwise he just quit. For the 2nd time. That perception of him doesn't bode well.

That's laughable- quitting SU for the NFL, even if it was for the Bills- hardly a prestige job (zing!) is not a mark against him in the eyes of any NFL exec. As for leaving the dumpster fire in Buffalo, well the debate rages on...

 

[Statesman1]

No it doesn't. He thought he would get a new four year deal elsewhere and keep the $4 million.

You know this how? It's also equally plausible he was just fed up with the Bills.

 

[rrlbees]

That's laughable- quitting SU for the NFL, even if it was for the Bills- hardly a prestige job (zing!) is not a mark against him in the eyes of any NFL exec. As for leaving the dumpster fire in Buffalo, well the debate rages on...

Not that he left but how he left.

 

[CuseOnly]

And you would be wrong. One year's compensation but you take a huge risk that you will be able to find a better job when you reenter the market. The one thing I have learned is that there is no such thing as a free option - they all come with a cost.

Crusty, that is your opinion. If you are talented, there is zero risk is what I believe.

 

[CuseOnly]

I think the proof is that right now he is floundering after walking away from $12m.

You are acting like the $12 mil was guaranteed. Just because there is a "contract" does not mean he couldn't have been fired for non performance or may be he would have been unhappy enough to leave after next year with no $4 mil option to opt out. There would be a buy-out if he was fired but it may not have been $4 mil.

 

[CuseOnly]

Marrone played poker. Went all in with a flush draw and busted. Unless he gets a HC gig with similar pay.

Or he took his winnings like a smart gambler and went home with them.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You are acting like the $12 mil was guaranteed. Just because there is a "contract" does not mean he couldn't have been fired for non performance or may be he would have been unhappy enough to leave after next year with no $4 mil option to opt out. There would be a buy-out if he was fired but it may not have been $4 mil.

Hang on. So he can use the opt out because he's good and certain he'll get another job, but it was smart to walk away from the extension because there's no guarantee he'll get the chance to see it through? He's good enough to get a job, but it's risky keeping one? What?

 

[Dr. Bill]

When he doesn't get his way he has a propensity to leave. That is his HC history.

Can say the same about Bill Parcells!..A strong leader has confidence in his abilities…if you get one of these jobs, you better ask for as much control, power, or whatever you want……because they are not just going to give it to you. How much control do you want over your own destiny? A gourmet chef, that can't buy his own groceries..ultimately just becomes a cook…

 

[CuseOnly]

Hang on. So he can use the opt out because he's good and certain he'll get another job, but it was smart to walk away from the extension because there's no guarantee he'll get the chance to see it through? He's good enough to get a job, but it's risky keeping one? What?

I will take you through it...

1st - He can opt out because they allowed it in his contract.
2 - He obviously feels he is talented enough to get another HC job but it's not critical b'c of the $4 Mil.
3 - He clearly no longer wanted the Bills job, for whatever reason - hence he left that job along with $4 million which is unusual but very smart to build into his contract for his agent

I never said it was risky keeping the job I said he left on his own terms with money instead of being FIRED with possibly a much smaller buyout.

Not sure it's that hard to understand.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I will take you through it...

1st - He can opt out because they allowed it in his contract.
2 - He obviously feels he is talented enough to get another HC job but it's not critical b'c of the $4 Mil.
3 - He clearly no longer wanted the Bills job, for whatever reason - hence he left that job along with $4 million which is unusual but very smart to build into his contract for his agent

I never said it was risky keeping the job I said he left on his own terms with money instead of being FIRED with possibly a much smaller buyout.

Not sure it's that hard to understand.

If he's confident he can get an HC job, why is he worried about losing one?

 

[samspann1]

If he's confident he can get an HC job, why is he worried about losing one?

Statesman will be by momentarily to field this question.

He'll be the first to tell you that he "could care less" about Marrone, though.

 

[Crusty]

Can say the same about Bill Parcells!..A strong leader has confidence in his abilities…if you get one of these jobs, you better ask for as much control, power, or whatever you want……because they are not just going to give it to you. How much control do you want over your own destiny? A gourmet chef, that can't buy his own groceries..ultimately just becomes a cook…

I'm sorry, but when you equal Bill Parcells and Doug Marrone you lose me.

 

[Crusty]

I will take you through it...

1st - He can opt out because they allowed it in his contract.
2 - He obviously feels he is talented enough to get another HC job but it's not critical b'c of the $4 Mil.
3 - He clearly no longer wanted the Bills job, for whatever reason - hence he left that job along with $4 million which is unusual but very smart to build into his contract for his agent

I never said it was risky keeping the job I said he left on his own terms with money instead of being FIRED with possibly a much smaller buyout.

Not sure it's that hard to understand.

How do you think buyouts work? If they fire you they have to pay. Do pro contracts have coach buyouts? I don't think so - there would be tampering involved.

 

[samspann1]

How do you think buyouts work? If they fire you they have to pay. Do pro contracts have coach buyouts? I don't think so - there would be tampering involved.

I suppose that Marrone and the Bills could have agreed to settle on a buyout figure, but what incentive would Marrone have to do so?

 

[rrlbees]

Or he took his winnings like a smart gambler and went home with them.

They aren't winnings if he doesn't get a HC job starting next year. It's a loss. He will have shoved that $4m poker pot across the table to his opponent. The only way he ends up ahead is if he gets a HC job. Why is this math so difficult for some?

 

[CuseOnly]

If he's confident he can get an HC job, why is he worried about losing one?

Clearly he is not worried about losing one...umm because he left one.

Maybe he doesn't want to get fired.
Maybe he hates the organization.
Maybe the offer they made was insulting.
Maybe he wasn't given what was promised by the previous regime.
Maybe he didn't like the terms of the offer.
Maybe be wanted to take a break.
Maybe he wanted to do 5o other things than coach the Bills... for 50 other reasons.

 

[CuseOnly]

They aren't winnings if he doesn't get a HC job starting next year. It's a loss. He will have shoved that $4m poker pot across the table to his opponent. The only way he ends up ahead is if he gets a HC job. Why is this math so difficult for some?

How do you figure? So if he doesn't get a job next year...he loses the $4 mil...was that part of the contract that he had to give it back...

Maybe he isn't interested in the best scenario money-wise, maybe he is interested in the best scenario for him career-wise, or health-wise, maybe his wife gave him an ultimatum. Again, you have no idea what motivated the decision.

Point is, you don't have any idea what his priorities are or what he wants to do going forward. Just adding dollars and your opinion coming up to a solution that works for you.

You looking at 3 more years at 4 mil and multiplying by 3= 12 mil and saying he is nuts for only taking $4 is not the whole story I am pretty sure. You don't know, nobody does.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Clearly he is not worried about losing one...umm because he left one.

Maybe he doesn't want to get fired.
Maybe he hates the organization.
Maybe the offer they made was insulting.
Maybe he wasn't given what was promised by the previous regime.
Maybe he didn't like the terms of the offer.
Maybe be wanted to take a break.
Maybe he wanted to do 5o other things than coach the Bills... for 50 other reasons.

You're all over the place on this.

 

[CuseOnly]

You're all over the place on this.

I am in 1 place...you have no idea why he left and neither do I. You have no idea what motivated him to leave and neither do I. The only things that are facts. Just the facts man, all I am interested in.

Other than he gets $4 mil this year for not working.

Anything else that you have that are facts? Everything else is just opinion and conjecture.

 

[samspann1]

I am in 1 place...you have no idea why he left and neither do I. You have no idea what motivated him to leave and neither do I. The only things that are facts. Just the facts man, all I am interested in.

Other than he gets $4 mil this year for not working.

Anything else that you have that are facts? Everything else is just opinion and conjecture.

you said this: "He obviously feels he is talented enough to get another HC job but it's not critical b'c of the $4 Mil".

How would you know this? Or are these the "facts"?