passing stats by quarter are crazy

[Millhouse]

cfbstats.com - 2016 Syracuse Orange Passing Offense Situational Stats

amazing in the 1st q, sub par in the 2nd and 4th, and terrible in the 3rd

if our running game could get us into a little better spot on 3rd down, there's a big difference there too

 

[Millhouse]

passer rating by quarter
q1 12th
q2 56th
q3 108th
q4 61st

 

[AZOrange]

cfbstats.com - 2016 Syracuse Orange Passing Offense Situational Stats

amazing in the 1st q, sub par in the 2nd and 4th, and terrible in the 3rd

if our running game could get us into a little better spot on 3rd down, there's a big difference there too

It's like a totally different offense in the first quarter passing wise. Vertical, aggressive. Then everything after gets side to side.

I think we get tired

 

[NineOneSeven]

Said this during the game.. we should absolutely stop running on first down. I don't care if we have an incomplete pass causing 2nd and 10. I'll take the odds we at least gain 4 yards by the pass. The only time we should run is on 2nd down and less than 6 or third down. Who cares how predictable it becomes. Gaining 2 yards on first down via the run is killing our drives.

 

[AZOrange]

Said this during the game.. we should absolutely stop running on first down. I don't care if we have an incomplete pass causing 2nd and 10. I'll take the odds we at least gain 4 yards by the pass. The only time we should run is on 2nd down and less than 6 or third down. Who cares how predictable it becomes. Gaining 2 yards on first down via the run is killing our drives.

Especially when you back that play up with a false start. 2nd and 13 is no good

 

[rrlbees]

passer rating by quarter q1 12th q2 56th q3 108th q4 61st

I don't know if we script the first 20 plays or so like some teams do, but I wonder if we do that and then after we start thinking too much.

 

[PAcuse]

Teams can easily adjust to our passing once they realize we have almost no run game.

 

[SUFan44]

I don't know if we script the first 20 plays or so like some teams do, but I wonder if we do that and then after we start thinking too much.

Could be more of an indication that the 1.5 year thing is true. Easy to be good when the coaches tell you everything. When you start ad-libbing and making reads on the fly, until everyone gets truly comfortable with the system there will be breakdowns.

Just wish we'd script the first 10 plays of the 3rd quarter too. Might help, who knows. Couldn't be worse.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Teams can easily adjust to our passing once they realize we have almost no run game.

It has been obvious for weeks that we have no run game. So why were we still abel to pass the ball on UConn and ND in the 1st Q? If it is so easy to adjust, then why not have that been the plan going into the game? Why wait to adjust in the first place? I don't buy that the opponent os taking things away. I think our play calling is taking things away. When we go back to attacking, it is still there (see UConn 99 yard drive).

 

[Millhouse]

20th in the country in passer rating on 3rd down (62 attempts)
3.15 ypc on third down with a long run of 13 yards (33 attempts)

 

[PAcuse]

It has been obvious for weeks that we have no run game. So why were we still abel to pass the ball on UConn and ND in the 1st Q? If it is so easy to adjust, then why not have that been the plan going into the game? Why wait to adjust in the first place? I don't buy that the opponent os taking things away. I think our play calling is taking things away. When we go back to attacking, it is still there (see UConn 99 yard drive).

ND set out with 8 men in coverage a lot and rolling a safety over to cover ET, we where able to beat them with passes to everyone else. After the half ND blitzed and it messed up our timing bad. Most teams have never seen this time of offense. I can see how it would be hard to defend in the first quarter seeing it live for the first time. Hard to attack when ND knows we can run and are selling out to blitz.

 

[Orangeman]

I think it's pretty simple..we dont' use the middle of the field at all (1-2 passes per game, which are usually wide open).

When you realize that it's everything is either short wide or long wide you can probably change the defensive approach.

I don't mean this to be taken as a negative, but I expected a LOT more pass/catch with the receiver on the move...we have almost zero of that right now.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I wish we would stop with the WR screens. We can't gain any yardage when plays require lead blockers. We are one of the worst blocking teams in the country.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

ND set out with 8 men in coverage a lot and rolling a safety over to cover ET, we where able to beat them with passes to everyone else. After the half ND blitzed and it messed up our timing bad. Most teams have never seen this time of offense. I can see how it would be hard to defend in the first quarter seeing it live for the first time. Hard to attack when ND knows we can run and are selling out to blitz.

They played Texas which has a similar O. They couldn't stop a single pass, including balls thrown to ET. We threw the ball well the entire first half. So it wasn't like ND figured it out after the first 5 mins. Despite the passing success of the first half we came out with 4 straight runs in the 3rd Q, three from Strickland. Why go away from what was working? The screens killed us as well. Not a single one of them whether to a WR or RB, was positive.

 

[dollarbill44]

Said this during the game.. we should absolutely stop running on first down. I don't care if we have an incomplete pass causing 2nd and 10. I'll take the odds we at least gain 4 yards by the pass. The only time we should run is on 2nd down and less than 6 or third down. Who cares how predictable it becomes. Gaining 2 yards on first down via the run is killing our drives.

I'm trying to follow your logic. Running on 1st down and gaining 2 yards is killing our drives but 2nd and 10 after an incomplete pass is better? It's the result of the play, not the method, that is important.

The key is to mix it up on all downs so that you're not predictable. Passing every first down will tip your hand as well. I also think we do mix it up pretty well. I think people see what they want to see. People grumble when a 1st down run gains 1-2 yards and say things like, "we ALWAYs run up the middle on 1st down!" regardless of if it was a pass on the prior 1st and 10.

 

[TheCusian]

I wish we would stop with the WR screens. We can't gain any yardage when plays require lead blockers. We are one of the worst blocking teams in the country.

Those who say we shouldn't run and shouldn't throw screens haven't watched enough BG/Baylor tape. You need those elements to be successful in this offense. We'll get better at those things.

(We've been fine on screen plays this year compared to the Mcit years. And Strickland has at least 2 prototypical Briles O runs up the gut for 6-10 yards a game. We need more of those to be automatic 5+ yds. It will come).

 

[upperdeck]

we dont call a pass or a run most of the time, we call a play then the QB decides what to do . ND went 3 down nickel and that says run. there were several plays where ND had an empty box and we ran a good play call but the oline cant hold the block and the RB cant get thru an arm tackle.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Those who say we shouldn't run and shouldn't throw screens haven't watched enough BG/Baylor tape. You need those elements to be successful in this offense. We'll get better at those things.

(We've been fine on screen plays this year compared to the Mc. . . . it years. And Strickland has at least 2 prototypical Briles O runs up the gut for 6-10 yards a game. We need more of those to be automatic 5+ yds. It will come).

100 percent know what you are saying.

I get they are taking what the defense gives them and teaching the kids the scheme, but for trying to win this year it is not going to work.

And if we are going to run, I think it's time Fredericks deserves a shot. Strickland hasn't proven anything.

 

[OrangeAl]

Those who say we shouldn't run and shouldn't throw screens haven't watched enough BG/Baylor tape. You need those elements to be successful in this offense. We'll get better at those things.

(We've been fine on screen plays this year compared to the Mc. . . . it years. And Strickland has at least 2 prototypical Briles O runs up the gut for 6-10 yards a game. We need more of those to be automatic 5+ yds. It will come).

And just imagine if we had Jordan Fredericks busting up the gut instead of Dontae Strickland. Dino is going to have to swallow some pride and let "fat" Jordan loose.

 

[TheCusian]

And just imagine if we had Jordan Fredericks busting up the gut instead of Dontae Strickland. Dino is going to have to swallow some pride and let "fat" Jordan loose.

I think it's more about being able to catch, block, and call out the plays for the line. That's just my opinion though...

 

[texascpa]

I don't know if we script the first 20 plays or so like some teams do, but I wonder if we do that and then after we start thinking too much.

Good point, especially in light of the fact that we definitely slow down and look to the sidelines more after the first couple drives.

 

[Millhouse]

we dont call a pass or a run most of the time, we call a play then the QB decides what to do . ND went 3 down nickel and that says run. there were several plays where ND had an empty box and we ran a good play call but the oline cant hold the block and the RB cant get thru an arm tackle.

there are definitely a lot of runs that go nowhere that really ought to. it must be making fredericks crazy

 

[upperdeck]

Good point, especially in light of the fact that we definitely slow down and look to the sidelines more after the first couple drives.

didnt he say we dont script plays in the PC last week?

 

[shandeezy7]

I was thinking that the OL isn't conditioned completely to be able to run this offense the entire game, but I'm starting to think the skill guys aren't either. Not saying I blame them. It has to be tough to run 15-20 yard routes then sprint to the line of scrimmage and repeat for an entire game. We'll get there and we are seeing glimpses, but it's a process.

 

[gmoney44]

I don't know if we script the first 20 plays or so like some teams do, but I wonder if we do that and then after we start thinking too much.

I think you're right Bees. I remember the greatest show on turf Rams use to have the first 20 plays scripted and they would run them regardless of down and distance. That's why Bill Belicheat video taping the Rams walk through was such a big deal. The Rams didn't move the ball until after the first 20 offense plays were run. Almost the whole first half. They dominated the game after that but were in the hole to a good New England team.