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[721Comstock]

I disagree wholeheartedly. It says exactly who thinks Vegas is going to win and by how much...

You’re wrong.

It’s what Vegas thinks the BETTORS think will happen.

Vegas gives zero FFF’s about who wins or loses - just that there’s equal action on both sides of the line.

Why were you not all this freaked the FFF out about “Vegas” in all of the prior games we were ‘dogs?

 

[orangeinnyc]

You’re wrong.

It’s what Vegas thinks the BETTORS think will happen.

Vegas gives zero FFF’s about who wins or loses - just that there’s equal action on both sides of the line.

Why were you not all this freaked the FFF out about “Vegas” in all of the prior games we were

No. It what’s Vegas thinks WILL happen. They think we’ll lose by 7. It’s also why if I bet 100 bucks Vegas is willing to give me 220 if they win and I have to bet 278 to win 100 on Houston. If they thought Cuse was going to win I wouldn’t get those odds.

And I’m talking about it now because we are discussing it. I’m not freaked out at all lol. I said above I was taking cuse. You need to relax pal. I said the spread was concerning because it’s high and Vegas is right a lot. I’d say the same things if we were discussing the first few games.

 

[JustPherU]

If I was a betting man, and I am, I would bet Syracuse. 6 1/2 seems a bit big to me. But that is why there are so many different kinds of ice cream.

I would also if I didn’t want to jinx it.
I actually love the Cuse with the points, but I’m not jinxing it.
I’d rather a Cuse win than me win a few hundred dollars.

 

[Wrinkle]

The line is absurd.
Houston should be favored they earned it but 6 is a lot of points.

We have played well and the players on our team have played 2 complete good games. We beat WVU they didn’t give us that game.
Houston is a great team but they aren’t peaking right now.

I would have this game Houston -1.5.

Rutgers was 7 point underdogs.

If we have 2 players on offense that are on I think we win.

Houston needs Grimes and their offensive rebounding.
Grimes would have to copy #22 from WVU and their second chance points to beat us.

Grimes certainly can do that, he is knockdown. I think we win though

 

[dasher]

I would also if I didn’t want to jinx it.
I actually love the Cuse with the points, but I’m not jinxing it.
I’d rather a Cuse win than me win a few hundred dollars.

Okay, true story. I bet against Syracuse once in my life. I was giving pts to providence. Of course I wanted the Orange to win but just not by the pts. This is when we couldn't hit a free throw. The game comes and the Orange hit like 21 of 24 free throws for the game. I said. I'm never doing that again. Or maybe I should have?

 

[two3zone]

Lunardi is picking Syracuse to defeat Houston and move on. That's the kiss of death.

Here’s to the 2021-2022 season.

 

[721Comstock]

Yep , they nailed the SD St. and the W. Va. games .

Yeah, I said the same thing a few pages back.

But, but - Vegas knows!!

 

[AZOrange]

No. It what’s Vegas thinks WILL happen. They think we’ll lose by 7. It’s also why if I bet 100 bucks Vegas is willing to give me 220 if they win and I have to bet 278 to win 100 on Houston. If they thought Cuse was going to win I wouldn’t get those odds.

And I’m talking about it now because we are discussing it. I’m not freaked out at all lol. I said above I was taking cuse. You need to relax pal. I said the spread was concerning because it’s high and Vegas is right a lot. I’d say the same things if we were discussing the first few games.

This is objectively wrong.

 

[SBU72]

70% of tix are Cuse and 74% of bets are for Cuse.

edit: I’m reading this as 70% of tix sales are Cuse and then 30% to Houston. Then 74% of money is being bet on Cuse and 26% is being bet on Houston.

If 74% of the bets were on Cuse, the line would not be Houston -7... unless the 24% was big, big money to offset the 74% betting SU. The line is not about who Vegas thinks is gong to win but how Vegas can make money.

 

[orangefog]

Here’s to the 2021-2022 season.

Not so fast. I think he wants us to lose, so he is picking us. But, he actually thinks we’ll lose. And, he’s always wrong so we’re still good.

 

[longtimefan]

Kenpom has it 75-67 Houston. VSIN guys just saying sharps on Houston.

And if 74% of the $ is on Cuse, the line is moving in the wrong direction. Which could mean “respected” $ is on Houston. All that said, none of it means a damn thing and I’d take Cuse $ line, Orange glasses or not.

Maybe it's 74% of the bets, not 74% of the $. There could be some large Texas bets on the Cougs.

 

[Todoubled23]

Vegas knows

 

[rrlbees]

If 74% of the bets were on Cuse, the line would not be Houston -7... unless the 24% was big, big money to offset the 74% betting SU. The line is not about who Vegas thinks is gong to win but how Vegas can make money.

last I looked 73% of the handle and 72% of the bets were on SU.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Is there a correlation between the Vegas line and the game results that I am not aware of?

How the hell can anyone but yourself know what you are aware of ?

 

[STEVEHOLT]

The line really has nothing to do with the game, all Vegas is doing is trying to get money on Houston so they don’t lose their shirt if Cuse wins.

Then why has the line hardly moved? This means Houston is likely taking larger bets from syndicates

 

[STEVEHOLT]

All the casino wants is 1/2 the money to go on Houston and 1/2 the money to go on Syracuse. Anything that is different than that, they can lose money. They don't like to lose money. They don't like to risk money when they don't have to.

This sounds good and makes sense , but when you actually see where the bets are , the money is more often than not skewed towards one side. Vegas doesn’t adjust lines simply based on the action .. they do have an innate “line” they believe accurately represents the game... and will adjust accordingly based on action ... up to a point ..

So in a situation where all the money and the bets are on one side ... yet their lines don’t change... it’s because they think they’re right and the betters are wrong .. and they feel they’re going to make a killing

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Point Spread Function -definition

The ideal point spread function (PSF) is the three-dimensional diffraction pattern of light emitted from an infinitely small point source in the specimen and transmitted to the image plane through a high numerical aperture (NA) objective.

You are all welcome.

 

[Marroniac]

Okay, true story. I bet against Syracuse once in my life. I was giving pts to providence. Of course I wanted the Orange to win but just not by the pts. This is when we couldn't hit a free throw. The game comes and the Orange hit like 21 of 24 free throws for the game. I said. I'm never doing that again. Or maybe I should have?

Do it today, please.

 

[orangeinnyc]

This is objectively wrong.

No. It’s not. The spread is what Vegas thinks is going to happen. If you think that’s wrong idk what to tell ya.

 

[jdubs30]

Then why has the line hardly moved? This means Houston is likely taking larger bets from syndicates

Yes exactly.

Vegas cares less about ticket numbers and more about where the money is going and who it’s coming from. The fact that 75% of the tickets are on Cuse but the line hasn’t budged means Cuse is very public and the public will keep pounding at 6.5

 

[orangeinnyc]

Yes exactly.

Vegas cares less about ticket numbers and more about where the money is going and who it’s coming from. The fact that 75% of the tickets are on Cuse but the line hasn’t budged means Cuse is very public and the public will keep pounding at 6.5

Yup. I couldn’t agree more. Maybe you can clarify something that Myself and AZOrange were going back and fourth above. Do you think the spread and money line is an indication of what Vegas thinks is going to happen in the game and who they think will win?

 

[zjscuse]

We have such a great national fanbase for hoops, anywhere we play.

We would for football 2 if we proved competitive consistently

 

[jsshap]

Yup. I couldn’t agree more. Maybe you can clarify something that Myself and AZOrange were going back and fourth above. Do you think the spread and money line is an indication of what Vegas thinks is going to happen in the game and who they think will win?

The spread is an indication of where Vegas thinks it can draw most action on both sides which usually closely corresponds with what Vegas thinks will happen but sometimes there can be other factors.

 

[CousCuse]

The spread actually went up to 6 1/2. If the books drop the spread at all that could trigger a wave of bets on Syracuse, further unbalancing the action.

 

[kirbivore]

I’m not sure what your getting at here. I’m commenting on the spread being so high and Vegas being wrong on the Syracuse lines so far. I know for a fact ppl hammered the cuse lines on his book and he got killed on it.

Yes the local bookie will have much more variance with the hometown teams as opposed to Vegas