Class of 2024 - PF Donnie Freeman (MD / IMG) COMMITTED & SIGNED TO SYRACUSE (5/11/23) | Page 57 | Syracusefan.com

Class of 2024 PF Donnie Freeman (MD / IMG) COMMITTED & SIGNED TO SYRACUSE (5/11/23)

Zelda Zonk said:
My point, though, was… isn’t Donnie supposed to be the SF next year? That’s where Bell was.

PG — ?
2G — JJ / Choppa
SF — Freeman
PF — Maliq
C — ?

Going to be a weird season, next. Two starters are expected to leave, and a guy who played a prominent 22 minutes gone, too. Then we expect to have two really good guys who both play the same position (4) so one gets shifted to SF, which pushes Bell out, a guy who shot 42% from three and was our only good perimeter threat.

I wonder if it could all work out if JJ moves to point, which leaves Bell at 2, even though he doesn’t really handle well and definitely doesn’t make plays for anyone else…. Haven’t we had teams like that? Roe, Janulis, etc?
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The pieces don’t fit perfectly. Red is going to have to sell a lot of guys on 28 minutes with multiple lineup options rather than 5 guys on 35 minutes in the same position like JB.
 
phil77 said:
Hmmmm that is interesting
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I mean not many freshman are promised a starting spot on any team in the transfer portal era aside from maybe the top few. Plus Donnie committed in the summer before his senior year even started. Would be incredibly foolish to promise somebody a starting spot that early on.
 
In my opinion, if we want to truly be competitive in the ACC and make the NCAA tourney, the starting lineup needs to look something like..

Portal pg, JJ or portal combo g (I doubt we recruit over Jj though), portal 3, Maliq, portal c.

Freeman first guy off the bench as the freshman 6th man, with likely Bell (if he stays) next off the bench for some shooting, 8th man and on maybe Westry, Cuffe, portal, ect. All new team and hopefully all new results.
 
zilo said:
In my opinion, if we want to truly be competitive in the ACC and make the NCAA tourney, the starting lineup needs to look something like..

Portal pg, JJ or portal combo g (I doubt we recruit over Jj though), portal 3, Maliq, portal c.

Freeman first guy off the bench as the freshman 6th man, with likely Bell (if he stays) next off the bench for some shooting, 8th man and on maybe Westry, Cuffe, portal, ect. All new team and hopefully all new results.
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If Chris stays he's going to be starting.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
My point, though, was… isn’t Donnie supposed to be the SF next year? That’s where Bell was.

PG — ?
2G — JJ / Choppa
SF — Freeman
PF — Maliq
C — ?

Going to be a weird season, next. Two starters are expected to leave, and a guy who played a prominent 22 minutes gone, too. Then we expect to have two really good guys who both play the same position (4) so one gets shifted to SF, which pushes Bell out, a guy who shot 42% from three and was our only good perimeter threat.

I wonder if it could all work out if JJ moves to point, which leaves Bell at 2, even though he doesn’t really handle well and definitely doesn’t make plays for anyone else…. Haven’t we had teams like that? Roe, Janulis, etc?
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You need around 5 bigger guys. Not all of them are going to start. But 4 have to be ready to play meaningful roles. Ideally, you don't play guys more than 25 minutes, so they stay fresh - unless they are really, really good.

You could play (1) Portal Center, (2) Maliq, (3) Freeman, (4) Bell / Portal SF / Freeman's IMG teammate, and (5) another big body backup center.

If you play Portal C 20-25, Maliq 25-28, Freeman 25, SF 25, that still leaves about 20 minutes for another SF or another backup center to share, and you have 5 or 6 guys getting minutes ovr the course of the season, in case anyone gets hurt.

If you look at the rest of the roster, you could play:
Portal PG / Copeland (25), JJ 30, Choppa 20, Cuffe / Westry 10, with Westry or Copeland (if he's still here ...) capable of sliding in to the SF minutes left over above.

We are 2 or 3 guys away from having a very solid team, if only we can get a good PG, and a good low post guy, and get rid of all this drama we had this year.
 
So what if u start JJ at point with Bell at 2, go with Brown at 3 or 4 and Freeman the other and a new center. Now u have Westry at backup 2+3 and Cuffe at 1or 2 as backup. key is center
 
shu 49 said:
So what if u start JJ at point with Bell at 2, go with Brown at 3 or 4 and Freeman the other and a new center. Now u have Westry at backup 2+3 and Cuffe at 1or 2 as backup. key is center
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That lineup would be vulnerable to a press. They might average 20 turnovers per game.
 
phil77 said:
It has also been stated many times that Freeman will start next year so if he isn't playing the 3 and Brown isn't playing the 5 does that mean Brown is going to the bench?
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IMO the starting front court is Brown, Bell and Freeman. How many minutes Brown gets at the 4/5 will be game to game. If we go to a big zone Donnie could shift to the 3 for a bit, with McCloud in the middle.
Could be totally wrong. We will see. Doesn’t matter what any of us think, especially with the roster not set.
If we pick up the Michigan decommit the played with Donnie, that may have an impact.
 
longtimefan said:
That lineup would be vulnerable to a press. They might average 20 turnovers per game.
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No collection of 5 players is going to be on the floor for 40 minutes. Nine or ten guys will play most games, at least for the first half of the year. If someone presses a line up, you put in a ball handling guard. If a lineup is getting bullied on the glass, you put in another big man. No 5 man grouping is ever going to pay the entire game. That's why they make substitutions.
 
IthacaMatt said:
No collection of 5 players is going to be on the floor for 40 minutes. Nine or ten guys will play most games, at least for the first half of the year. If someone presses a line up, you put in a ball handling guard. If a lineup is getting bullied on the glass, you put in another big man. No 5 man grouping is ever going to pay the entire game. That's why they make substitutions.
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Where on the roster referenced above do you see an above-average ball-handling guard? Certainly not Starling or Bell.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
My point, though, was… isn’t Donnie supposed to be the SF next year? That’s where Bell was.

PG — ?
2G — JJ / Choppa
SF — Freeman
PF — Maliq
C — ?

Going to be a weird season, next. Two starters are expected to leave, and a guy who played a prominent 22 minutes gone, too. Then we expect to have two really good guys who both play the same position (4) so one gets shifted to SF, which pushes Bell out, a guy who shot 42% from three and was our only good perimeter threat.

I wonder if it could all work out if JJ moves to point, which leaves Bell at 2, even though he doesn’t really handle well and definitely doesn’t make plays for anyone else…. Haven’t we had teams like that? Roe, Janulis, etc?
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Nobody's going to play 40 minutes. How many times do people have to hear that? There will be at least 20 minutes for 5 guys in the front court.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Nobody's going to play 40 minutes. How many times do people have to hear that? There will be at least 20 minutes for 5 guys in the front court.
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Where do you see a breakdown of minutes? Or the full roster of players? Be less jerky when you’re making up words and suppositions for me.

If you want it made simple: i don’t want to see Maliq at center for ANY minutes. Many people, it seems, would be fine with him splitting time with a pickup center. That’s not my preference, regardless of how realistic or unrealistic that is.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
Where do you see a breakdown of minutes? Or the full roster of players? Be less jerky when you’re making up words and suppositions for me.

If you want it made simple: i don’t want to see Maliq at center for ANY minutes. Many people, it seems, would be fine with him splitting time with a pickup center. That’s not my preference, regardless of how realistic or unrealistic that is.
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Brown with Freeman will be fine for long stretches.
 
IthacaMatt said:
No collection of 5 players is going to be on the floor for 40 minutes. Nine or ten guys will play most games, at least for the first half of the year. If someone presses a line up, you put in a ball handling guard. If a lineup is getting bullied on the glass, you put in another big man. No 5 man grouping is ever going to pay the entire game. That's why they make substitutions.
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Thank u
 
Zelda Zonk said:
Where do you see a breakdown of minutes? Or the full roster of players? Be less jerky when you’re making up words and suppositions for me.

If you want it made simple: i don’t want to see Maliq at center for ANY minutes. Many people, it seems, would be fine with him splitting time with a pickup center. That’s not my preference, regardless of how realistic or unrealistic that is.
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People like you in your post talk about how you can't play a particular lineup because it will be susceptible to a press, or another said you can't play a certain lineup because it would not be able to defend inside, or you can't play another lineup because it lacks outside shooting.

Yes, that may be true in instances that particular lineups are susceptible to this or that, but none of these lineups are going to play together for even 20 minutes in a game, because of substitutions, tactics and foul trouble.

So, yes, to make a generalization that "these 5 guys couldn't play together" is kind of a false negative. You use different lineups in different situations, and you need far more than your starting 5 to make a competitive team.
 

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