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Class of 2022 PG JJ Starling (Baldwinsville / La Lumiere) Offered

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Bulldog04 said:
I feel for the assistant coaches. I do not feel for Boeheim one bit. If he worked harder on recruiting, these would be layup recruits for this program. The asst coaches keep the kids this interested and then realize they don’t want to play for a very old man regardless of legacy
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Cusesky8214 said:
I dont know one way or the other but from what is talked about on here over the years do you believe JB stays in contact with recruits like some of these other (younger) head coaches do? Genuinely asking? It seems the head coaches at some other programs do a lot of the heavy lifting and establish relationships with these kids where our assistants do most of the heavy lifting and JB tries to close. JB doesn't strike me as a big phone guy let alone DMing kids on all the numerous different social media accounts other coaches utilize.
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I dont think JB can text from a land line
 
syrBossHogg said:
I saw somewhere Starling mentioned that he felt good about the bond he built with Brey and that helped him decide on ND.
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That i can understand. That might be all you need.
Old, disconnected JB, vs unknown quantity in Scheyer, vs a personal affinity for Brey and a nice campus?

You never know what resonates with anyone. And not all decisions are made with complete rationality, or even complete understanding of all the factors and circumstances.

JJ didn't do anything wrong, so i wish him luck in all games that don't affect us.
 
Bulldog04 said:
I feel for the assistant coaches. I do not feel for Boeheim one bit. If he worked harder on recruiting, these would be layup recruits for this program. The asst coaches keep the kids this interested and then realize they don’t want to play for a very old man regardless of legacy
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Actually a bit puzzled by this now…
The first part of your post proposes that JJ would have been a lay-up if JB had only tried harder - but then you say it wouldn’t matter, as no kid will come play for a coach that old, “regardless”
 
Read it how you want. His HS coach and Brey must have really laid it on.
 
pearl31 said:
Actually a bit puzzled by this now…
The first part of your post proposes that JJ would have been a lay-up if JB had only tried harder - but then you say it wouldn’t matter, as no kid will come play for a coach that old, “regardless”
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Let me clear it up. The allure of the program is very enticing to recruits. The dome. JB. Everything they see for the brand of CUSE. The asst coaches work a recruit 90% of the time. If that was maybe an even split with JB and asst coaches, then it would be different.

i think a backyard kid like JJ is or can be a layup type of recruit. However because they do not get to know JB the way they know the asst coaches, there is certainly a change when they do. This is normal when you have a 75 year old coach. I just think the sequencing is very off
 
Bulldog04 said:
Let me clear it up. The allure of the program is very enticing to recruits. The dome. JB. Everything they see for the brand of CUSE. The asst coaches work a recruit 90% of the time. If that was maybe an even split with JB and asst coaches, then it would be different.

i think a backyard kid like JJ is or can be a layup type of recruit. However because they do not get to know JB the way they know the asst coaches, there is certainly a change when they do. This is normal when you have a 75 year old coach. I just think the sequencing is very off
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And what does any of this have to do with the first episode of Storied?
 
Well 4 of his final 5 choices had an odd correlation - Brey, Collins, Scheyer (Coach K protégés) and JB (Coach K buddy).
 
Doubt Coach K or Roy were tweeting, texting, traveling constantly either to get recruits. This is Brey’s highest recruit ever, he’s been on the hot seat (note who was #1 on the very warm list in this article. Hot Seat Report - 17 College Basketball Coaches that are on the Hot Seat
I also bet that despite many of the board expert’s opinions - that a recruit’s biggest worry isn’t with JB but the opposite - the worry that he won’t be here.
 
1. Hats off to JJ and family: recruiting done right. Due diligence deluxe and no circus.
2. Some people like some people and dislike others, for no objective reason. It happens. Not just in recruiting, but in life.
3. JJ is going to a fine academic institution. It’s basketball pedigree may not be as storied as SU’s, but during JJ’s time, they may be equal to, or better than, SU. Who knows.
4. Kids go away to school. If they didn’t, SU would be D-3.
5. Maybe the kid did not want to live in a fish bowl.
6. Maybe the kid and/or his family have seen how fans have treated Buddy and Joe.
7. He’s been in Indiana for a while. Maybe he likes it there.
8. He didn’t chose Duke, so it’s not just about basketball.
9. I hope JJ isn’t naive enough to believe his player relationship with Brey will be the same as his recruiting relationship.
10. IMO, the problem isn’t JB: he is who he is. The problem is that none of our assistants are Mike Hopkins or Troy Weaver.

I will root for JJ to do well, but for SU to crush ND (as always)
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
1. Hats off to JJ and family: recruiting done right. Due diligence deluxe and no circus.
2. Some people like some people and dislike others, for no objective reason. It happens. Not just in recruiting, but in life.
3. JJ is going to a fine academic institution. It’s basketball pedigree may not be as storied as SU’s, but during JJ’s time, they may be equal to, or better than, SU. Who knows.
4. Kids go away to school. If they didn’t, SU would be D-3.
5. Maybe the kid did not want to live in a fish bowl.
6. Maybe the kid and/or his family have seen how fans have treated Buddy and Joe.
7. He’s been in Indiana for a while. Maybe he likes it there.
8. He didn’t chose Duke, so it’s not just about basketball.
9. I hope JJ isn’t naive enough to believe his player relationship with Brey will be the same as his recruiting relationship.
10. IMO, the problem isn’t JB: he is who he is. The problem is that none of our assistants are Mike Hopkins or Troy Weaver.

I will root for JJ to do well, but for SU to crush ND (as always)
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You mean how Buddy and Joe were the 1st two Orange hoopers were selling NIL items?
 
Naturally, I blame dasher

Congrats to JJ. Academics are important to him and at least its not Duke.

I honestly forget Notre Dame’s in the ACC sometimes, with their being spineless has beens in football and bout as relevant as a poor man’s Providence in basketball.
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
1. Hats off to JJ and family: recruiting done right. Due diligence deluxe and no circus.
2. Some people like some people and dislike others, for no objective reason. It happens. Not just in recruiting, but in life.
3. JJ is going to a fine academic institution. It’s basketball pedigree may not be as storied as SU’s, but during JJ’s time, they may be equal to, or better than, SU. Who knows.
4. Kids go away to school. If they didn’t, SU would be D-3.
5. Maybe the kid did not want to live in a fish bowl.
6. Maybe the kid and/or his family have seen how fans have treated Buddy and Joe.
7. He’s been in Indiana for a while. Maybe he likes it there.
8. He didn’t chose Duke, so it’s not just about basketball.
9. I hope JJ isn’t naive enough to believe his player relationship with Brey will be the same as his recruiting relationship.
10. IMO, the problem isn’t JB: he is who he is. The problem is that none of our assistants are Mike Hopkins or Troy Weaver.

I will root for JJ to do well, but for SU to crush ND (as always)
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The assistants get you in the door. The HC closes the deal. Everyone likes to talk about how Weaver did all the heavy lifting in the early 2000’s, but JB showed up at Melos doorstep in Baltimore. For some reason I can’t see him doing that now.
 
cliftonparksufan said:
You mean how Buddy and Joe were the 1st two Orange hoopers were selling NIL items?
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No. How there were degraded and berated upon committing and almost all the way through last season. Don’t be obtuse and pay attention. NIL is not message boards or talk radio.
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
No. How there were degraded and berated upon committing and almost all the way through last season. Don’t be obtuse and pay attention. NIL is not message boards or talk radio.
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That's a good point. From what I can gather, ND doesn't have much of a basketball fanbase compared to the Syracuse fanbase. We often think of our fanbase as a huge advantage, but when the most vocal component of that fanbase is a bunch of negative douchebags, it may sway a kid to go another way.
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
No. How there were degraded and berated upon committing and almost all the way through last season. Don’t be obtuse and pay attention. NIL is not message boards or talk radio.
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You do know that they are paying with their hard earned CNY cash for the NIL products. People can bash them on here or on the radio but no college basketball fans support their team ($$$) like fans of Syracuse. Just look at the home games and some away games. Money talks.
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
No. How there were degraded and berated upon committing and almost all the way through last season. Don’t be obtuse and pay attention. NIL is not message boards or talk radio.
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That's quite a stretch. Our fanbase is about as mild-mannered as you will find in major D-1 sports. Getting craptalked by a dozen twitter turds wouldn't even be on the radar at a high majority of schools. This board pretty much represents the die-hards that care the most and is still extremely mild.
 
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