Class of 2022 PG JJ Starling (Baldwinsville / La Lumiere) Offered

[Sherman20]

That i can understand. That might be all you need.
Old, disconnected JB, vs unknown quantity in Scheyer, vs a personal affinity for Brey and a nice campus?

You never know what resonates with anyone. And not all decisions are made with complete rationality, or even complete understanding of all the factors and circumstances.

JJ didn't do anything wrong, so i wish him luck in all games that don't affect us.

He says his relationship with Brey sealed the deal. If Hop was the head coach, we would have landed Starling and probably a few of these other guys, too. We need a dynamic head coach if we want to land top recruits after JB steps down.

 

[rrlbees]

He says his relationship with Brey sealed the deal. If Hop was the head coach, we would have landed Starling and probably a few of these other guys, too. We need a dynamic head coach if we want to land top recruits after JB steps down.

I wonder why then Brey doesn’t bring in more top recruits.

 

[orangefog]

I wonder why then Brey doesn’t bring in more top recruits.

Not everyone can relate to a dude in a sweater vest.

 

[Day2]

He says his relationship with Brey sealed the deal. If Hop was the head coach, we would have landed Starling and probably a few of these other guys, too. We need a dynamic head coach if we want to land top recruits after JB steps down.

Maybe, but we would probably lose more games.

 

[GooseMutt]

You gotta admit though, it’s fun to look forward to going up against missed recruits and basically keeping a distant eye on their performance.

Jj. Flip. Clingan Lands Dior if we ever run into Oregon etc etc

 

[longtimefan]

Let me clear it up. The allure of the program is very enticing to recruits. The dome. JB. Everything they see for the brand of CUSE. The asst coaches work a recruit 90% of the time. If that was maybe an even split with JB and asst coaches, then it would be different.

i think a backyard kid like JJ is or can be a layup type of recruit. However because they do not get to know JB the way they know the asst coaches, there is certainly a change when they do. This is normal when you have a 75 year old coach. I just think the sequencing is very off

Except--due to his choice of prep school, Starling was ND "backyard kid".

 

[Alsacs]

We aren’t going to be an elite team anymore under JB. By elite I mean top 10-15 the entire regular season.

We are going to be solid mediocre and maybe a little stronger depending on the season and never bottom out.
Recruiting isn’t going to be what it was.
We will get some solid recruits but I don’t see us having top 5 recruiting classes with JB.

JB will hit the portal to fill holes but it’s just what it is.

The fans on here for the most part don’t care which is fine. JB has been loyal to SU and SU has returned that loyalty.

This kid wasn’t the difference between us winning a NC or not. He probably would have made the regular season less of grind though but again it is what is.

Good luck at ND except against us.

 

[orangenauburn]

Donovan Clingan has never left Connecticut. He attends high school in the same town in which he grew up. UConn seemed like home to him. Never got the sense that staying home really mattered much to Starling. He already left once to go to prep school.

We've had some locals sty and do well, and we've had some stay and not do so well.

End of the day, kind of wish mom would have encouraged him to come home.

 

[PhatOrange]

Congrats to JJ. Academically Notre Dame is a great choice.

 

[Orangezoo]

We aren’t going to be an elite team anymore under JB. By elite I mean top 10-15 the entire regular season.

We are going to be solid mediocre and maybe a little stronger depending on the season and never bottom out.
Recruiting isn’t going to be what it was.
We will get some solid recruits but I don’t see us having top 5 recruiting classes with JB.

JB will hit the portal to fill holes but it’s just what it is.

The fans on here for the most part don’t care which is fine. JB has been loyal to SU and SU has returned that loyalty.

This kid wasn’t the difference between us winning a NC or not. He probably would have made the regular season less of grind though but again it is what is.

Good luck at ND except against us.

Give it another year and portal recruiting is going to over shadow HS recruiting.

If a lot of the transfers have success this year it only will accelerate that.

JJ is a budding star but Brey also now has a guy who if he isn't out there 30 plus a game it could be a one hit wonder for Brey getting such a recruit no matter what all was the final pitch. It's a new world now. Young, hospitable and "players" coaches will be in- older traditional guys phasing out. Big-time NIL deals as well now will be part of it all.

This isn't exclusive to sports. Everyone wants a cool boss too who is committed to them as much if not more than the reverse. Loyalty everywhere is challenged.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Well this thread certainly took a turn for the worse, as did our monster recruiting class that we once thought we had. Don't get me wrong, I like our guys, but this just isn't what we thought we were going to have.

Right and I found it presumptious that many posters on here were counting their chickens before they hatched. This is why you go after a 4th guard from HS or in the portal in 21 and use up all your scholarships available because you dont know how the next recruiting cycle plays out

 

[tep624]

We aren’t going to be an elite team anymore under JB. By elite I mean top 10-15 the entire regular season.

We are going to be solid mediocre and maybe a little stronger depending on the season and never bottom out.
Recruiting isn’t going to be what it was.
We will get some solid recruits but I don’t see us having top 5 recruiting classes with JB.

JB will hit the portal to fill holes but it’s just what it is.

The fans on here for the most part don’t care which is fine. JB has been loyal to SU and SU has returned that loyalty.

This kid wasn’t the difference between us winning a NC or not. He probably would have made the regular season less of grind though but again it is what is.

Good luck at ND except against us.

I see us as being slightly behind 90's post probation as long as JB is still here, we'll make a run here or there (like '96 or 2016), we'll consistently be in the tourney and some years in the NIT. High teens to mid 20's in wins in a really good year.

 

[Ceerqqq]

We aren’t going to be an elite team anymore under JB. By elite I mean top 10-15 the entire regular season.

We are going to be solid mediocre and maybe a little stronger depending on the season and never bottom out.
Recruiting isn’t going to be what it was.
We will get some solid recruits but I don’t see us having top 5 recruiting classes with JB.

JB will hit the portal to fill holes but it’s just what it is.

The fans on here for the most part don’t care which is fine. JB has been loyal to SU and SU has returned that loyalty.

This kid wasn’t the difference between us winning a NC or not. He probably would have made the regular season less of grind though but again it is what is.

Good luck at ND except against us.

This statement intentionally ignores the possibility that a very good year is possible this season. For example, if this group gets to the Final Four, then the possibilities of an uptick in recruiting increase dramatically.

So, in effect, this is a statement of belief that no such achievements are possible for this year's team.

I get that you and your like-minded comrades utterly dismiss such a possibility, in spite of what you saw Boeheim achieve last year. You guys ignore all information that shows JB to be an Elite Coach who can achieve great things when he has a decent combination of talent & experience to work with...like he has this year.

So please go ahead & enjoy your Boeheim Bashing for a few more weeks. You guys live for it and will seize ANY opportunity to start spinning negative characterizations of JAB. I'm looking forward to your gang of sullen 'analysts' going mute for most of the upcoming season. It will be joyous...

 

[FloridaFan]

1. Hats off to JJ and family: recruiting done right. Due diligence deluxe and no circus.
2. Some people like some people and dislike others, for no objective reason. It happens. Not just in recruiting, but in life.
3. JJ is going to a fine academic institution. It’s basketball pedigree may not be as storied as SU’s, but during JJ’s time, they may be equal to, or better than, SU. Who knows.
4. Kids go away to school. If they didn’t, SU would be D-3.
5. Maybe the kid did not want to live in a fish bowl.
6. Maybe the kid and/or his family have seen how fans have treated Buddy and Joe.
7. He’s been in Indiana for a while. Maybe he likes it there.
8. He didn’t chose Duke, so it’s not just about basketball.
9. I hope JJ isn’t naive enough to believe his player relationship with Brey will be the same as his recruiting relationship.
10. IMO, the problem isn’t JB: he is who he is. The problem is that none of our assistants are Mike Hopkins or Troy Weaver.

I will root for JJ to do well, but for SU to crush ND (as always)

How is 6 in any way relevant to him?

 

[FloridaFan]

Please list all of the other schools that missed on the same players

Why? Its a syracuse page. Go follow those other teams if you want that info

 

[djcon57]

How is 6 in any way relevant to him?

i mean, it is relevant. Local players do tend to get it harder from fans.

that said, I would argue how the head coach has treated other players not named Buddy and Joe would matter more.

one directly affects playing time and your nba opportunity, the other might hurt your feelings.

 

[HOFCeluck]

i mean, it is relevant. Local players do tend to get it harder from fans.

that said, I would argue how the head coach has treated other players not named Buddy and Joe would matter more.

one directly affects playing time and your nba opportunity, the other might hurt your feelings.

O/U on MPG for Buddy at 39.9 imo.

 

[UpstateSM]

i mean, it is relevant. Local players do tend to get it harder from fans.

Jealous weirdos. Haters, as the kids used to say.

 

[littlereg]

people are still bringing up the “misstreatment players get compared to Buddy” ?? Jesus lock this thread

 

[littlereg]

people are still bringing up the “misstreatment players get compared to Buddy” ?? Jesus lock this thread

And I literally mean Jesus not mods because mods couldn’t help this.

 

[djcon57]

Jealous weirdos. Haters, as the kids used to say.

There is some of that, but I think it’s more unrealistic expectations imo. like growing up Laz Sims looks like Lebron James vs the cny comp...then not so much when he played against D1 comp.

it’s a little diff with all the aau ball now Where we have a better idea where they should be. But throughout history I think that’s the main reason with the locals.

 

[djcon57]

people are still bringing up the “misstreatment players get compared to Buddy” ?? Jesus lock this thread

im sorry, but this is recruiting... and the way the roster is handled and mins are divided up matters more than if people are mean to Joe on a message board. this is just a fact. if dont think other coaches aren’t showing that quote about Benny not being ready or showing the min played of Joe vs a departed player, i think you are naive.

 

[littlereg]

There is some of that, but I think it’s more unrealistic expectations imo. like growing up Laz Sims looks like Lebron James vs the cny comp...then not so much when he played against D1 comp.

it’s a little diff with all the aau ball now Where we have a better idea where they should be. But throughout history I think that’s the main reason with the locals.

Yeah it’s not really a syracuse thing, but more a basketball town thing. Some of these towns, cites are built around and because of the big uni that’s there. The population becomes huge fans because its part of their lives basically. It’s different then having expectations for a 1st round draft pick because you’ve been following this kid for years, hoping he comes to the team the town has been rooting for their entire lives.

 

[littlereg]

im sorry, but this is recruiting... and the way the roster is handled and mins are divided up matters more than if people are mean to Joe on a message board. this is just a fact. if dont think other coaches aren’t showing that quote about Benny not being ready or showing the min played of Joe vs a departed player, i think you are naive.

where did I say a thing about Joe? Oh wait I didn’t... all I mentioned was buddy

 

[djcon57]

where did I say a thing about Joe? Oh wait I didn’t... all I mentioned was buddy

Well to be fair put something in a quote that wasnt a quote so I really didn’t know what you were talking about. I assumed it was about the post from Tuttle.