Pitt's Donald wins Nagurski award, Diva Clowney shutout

[IthacaBarrel]

Don't buy it for a second. You can be both. A good teammate who plays hard on every down and a guy who takes talent + leadership to the bank. The truth is that he has caused teams to have doubt about his head/heart/leadership. Good teams care about that. It's a part of what you look at, right? Or do they do the interviews just for fun?

No one is arguing that he shouldn't get paid - I'm just saying that he hurt himself this season. If I was his agent, I'd say play your A@@ off and be a leader, good teammate on and off the field - and let your world class talent, all pro-potential decapitate a few QB's. Not what he did this season. And maybe sitting out the season would be a touch better than his performance this year - but the questions about him not playing would be a yellow flag unto themselves.

As the draft gets closer, you'll be hearing a lot of questions about his character. Had he done things the right way, it would be all talk about his talent and a sure fire #1.

Again, somebody has watched too much Rudy. ( Would you tell Clowney to win one for the gipper as well!!!) You are not an agent and your advice that you would have given Clowney is why you are not. They care about getting paid. If he sits he's probably still a top 3 pick which it looks like that is as as low as he will go now. His agent was most likely telling him to sit the year out. He could get paid by the agents firm to train, etc. It's all the leeches involved at USC that probably begged for him to come back. He did and probably regretted it.

He should have sat, screw Spurrier, USC and their jock sniffing boosters and lunatic fans. They don't care about Clowney's future, they just don't. Clowney should do what is best for him and he didn't, IMO

What do people go to work for everyday? Jesus

I just think people forget how much money is involved

 

[TheCusian]

Again, somebody has watched too much Rudy. ( Would you tell Clowney to win one for the gipper as well!!!) You are not an agent and your advice that you would have given Clowney is why you are not. They care about getting paid. If he sits he's probably still a top 3 pick which it looks like that is as as low as he will go now. His agent was most likely telling him to sit the year out. He could get paid by the agents firm to train, etc. It's all the leeches involved at USC that probably begged for him to come back. He did and probably regretted it. He should have sat, screw Spurrier, USC and their jock sniffing boosters and lunatic fans. They don't care about Clowney's future, they just don't. Clowney should do what is best for him and he didn't, IMO What do people go to work for everyday? Jesus I just think people forget how much money is involved

This is a ridiculous statement. You're too black and white. I'm not saying the intangibles are all that matters; obviously talent and skill is what makes you money in the NFL. But you can't write off all of this stuff that surrounds the player as immaterial. His work ethic matters. His drive to play the game matters. How his play on the field affects his teammates matter. How his behavior off the field is, matters. That's not Rudy - that's real life. Anybody who hires anybody looks at these things.

Maybe he'd have been better off sitting out the year under a cloud of scrutiny? Maybe? Or what would have happened had he played 100%, became a leader and led the team to a couple of more wins? More $.

Oh ... I go to work to do what I love and happened to get paid for it.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

This is a ridiculous statement. You're too black and white. I'm not saying the intangibles are all that matters; obviously talent and skill is what makes you money in the NFL. But you can't write off all of this stuff that surrounds the player as immaterial. His work ethic matters. His drive to play the game matters. How his play on the field affects his teammates matter. How his behavior off the field is, matters. That's not Rudy - that's real life. Anybody who hires anybody looks at these things.

Maybe he'd have been better off sitting out the year under a cloud of scrutiny? Maybe? Or what would have happened had he played 100%, became a leader and led the team to a couple of more wins? More $.

Oh ... I go to work to do what I love and happened to get paid for it.

SO you are saying to you can tell all this about Clowney. His work ethic? he runs his gassers with the backs and receivers at the end of practice when healthy kid works hard and has worked hard to get where he is IMO. And at the end of the day his god given abilities will get him drafted top 3. Just trying to protect against a career ending injury, yes he's looking out for himself because nobody affiliated with USC gives a rats ass what happens to him after January, they just don't. Smart kid, IMO

 

[SBro44]

I admittedly don’t follow South Carolina or Clowney very closely… and I agree there is so much money on the line, in reality we have no idea what it must be like living in fear of getting injured.
My problem wasn’t necessarily his decision but how he went about it (ala Lebron James). If you’re not going to play.. don’t play. Tell your teammates/Friends why before the summer… they will understand… Tell Spurrier in the summer (or before the summer) he will have to understand. He made a mockery of the NCAA...picking and choosing when he was going to play and when he wasn’t. Or in the UNC game—he played but was completely half-assing it. I watched that full game—don’t say he was triple teamed every play… he clearly was out there jogging around with no real interest in making a play.
It is disrespectful to your friends/teammates.. And I think it raises some red flags... it doesn't make him the Next Haynesworth but it's a damn good indicator he will be one of those guys holding out and re-negotiating every off season.

He is an absolute Freak athlete... but he isn't the first freak athlete... to my knowledge he is the first person to do this. Peppers didn't do this... Freeney didn't etc...

 

[MarcusPitt]

I'd rather have Donald any day in the nfl. His stats are out of this world this year. He's the only legit guy on the Pitt defense,and nobody could stop him! We have a legit 3 to 4 headed monster in our ground game,and he shut us down. He's going to be getting a lot of phone calls...

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I admittedly don’t follow South Carolina or Clowney very closely… and I agree there is so much money on the line, in reality we have no idea what it must be like living in fear of getting injured.
My problem wasn’t necessarily his decision but how he went about it (ala Lebron James). If you’re not going to play.. don’t play. Tell your teammates/Friends why before the summer… they will understand… Tell Spurrier in the summer (or before the summer) he will have to understand. He made a mockery of the NCAA...picking and choosing when he was going to play and when he wasn’t. Or in the UNC game—he played but was completely half-assing it. I watched that full game—don’t say he was triple teamed every play… he clearly was out there jogging around with no real




interest in making a play.
It is disrespectful to your friends/teammates.. And I think it raises some red flags... it doesn't make him the Next Haynesworth but it's a damn good indicator he will be one of those guys holding out and re-negotiating every off season.

He is an absolute Freak athlete... but he isn't the first freak athlete... to my knowledge he is the first person to do this. Peppers didn't do this... Freeney didn't etc...

I think clowney wanted to sit the year out and was pressured into playing bycoaches, boosters and losers. Just my opinion. Once he started playing he figured he was making a mistake.

 

[Millhouse]

clowney gets ripped to shreds by everyone because of all the hype from people who don't know anything. the guy is famous because he has a funny name and because a running back didn't buckle helmet on a play where they didn't block anyone

 

[IthacaBarrel]

clowney gets ripped to shreds by everyone because of all the hype from people who don't know anything. the guy is famous because he has a funny name and because a running back didn't buckle helmet on a play where they didn't block anyone

He's another freak athlete that will get drafted very high regardless

 

[Millhouse]

He's another freak athlete that will get drafted very high regardless

i agree. he was very good last year but it's not like his TFL was unheard of. if buffalo wasn't set on DL and didn't need a QB so bad, i'd love to see him in buffalo

i'm still mad about the big east refs in 2001. freeney would've had 20 tackles for loss against Rutgers alone but the refs let them tackle him out of sympathy

 

[dinosaurbbq]

There is no excuse for Clowney's actions this year. Every top tier football player in college that is looking at getting drafted Round 1 is faced with the same possibility of sustaining an injury. QBs Manziel, Mariotta, Bridgewater, and Tajh Boyd didn't sit, didn't give half effort, didn't fake injury. Yes, there was a lot of money on the line for each of them. Manziel could really only go down from where he was as the Heisman winner. Why play? Because they cared about winning and not losing. They each wanted to help their respective teams and they wanted to win.

My true distaste for Clowney isn't based on his numbers this season. Others here have said he was triple teamed all year. That isn't remotely true. Double teamed at times sure, but that happens to most effective defensive linemen. In fact, he often faced one on one protection, but had plays run to the opposite side to keep him out of the play. Watching the Clemson game he was one on one almost the whole game.

He isn't the first dominant lineman. We've had a couple here at Cuse. Freeney didn't give up a single damn play and stayed effective.

My problem with Clowney is that he was out of shape, sat out games and gave half effort on lots of plays and didn't care about his team winning or losing. He's got the entourage already.

My only hope is that the NFL teams penalize him for that in the draft recognizing that the kid will do the same thing in the NFL for them when he is unhappy with his contract or when the team is losing or just plain when he doesn't feel like playing. He's selfish. Heart and pride mean something in the NFL. He has none.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

There is no excuse for Clowney's actions this year. Every top tier football player in college that is looking at getting drafted Round 1 is faced with the same possibility of sustaining an injury. QBs Manziel, Mariotta, Bridgewater, and Tajh Boyd didn't sit, didn't give half effort, didn't fake injury. Yes, there was a lot of money on the line for each of them. Manziel could really only go down from where he was as the Heisman winner. Why play? Because they cared about winning and not losing. They each wanted to help their respective teams and they wanted to win.

My true distaste for Clowney isn't based on his numbers this season. Others here have said he was triple teamed all year. That isn't remotely true. Double teamed at times sure, but that happens to most effective defensive linemen. In fact, he often faced one on one protection, but had plays run to the opposite side to keep him out of the play. Watching the Clemson game he was one on one almost the whole game.

He isn't the first dominant lineman. We've had a couple here at Cuse. Freeney didn't give up a single damn play and stayed effective.

My problem with Clowney is that he was out of shape, sat out games and gave half effort on lots of plays and didn't care about his team winning or losing. He's got the entourage already.

My only hope is that the NFL teams penalize him for that in the draft recognizing that the kid will do the same thing in the NFL for them when he is unhappy with his contract or when the team is losing or just plain when he doesn't feel like playing. He's selfish. Heart and pride mean something in the NFL. He has none.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

There is no excuse for Clowney's actions this year. Every top tier football player in college that is looking at getting drafted Round 1 is faced with the same possibility of sustaining an injury. QBs Manziel, Mariotta, Bridgewater, and Tajh Boyd didn't sit, didn't give half effort, didn't fake injury. Yes, there was a lot of money on the line for each of them. Manziel could really only go down from where he was as the Heisman winner. Why play? Because they cared about winning and not losing. They each wanted to help their respective teams and they wanted to win.

My true distaste for Clowney isn't based on his numbers this season. Others here have said he was triple teamed all year. That isn't remotely true. Double teamed at times sure, but that happens to most effective defensive linemen. In fact, he often faced one on one protection, but had plays run to the opposite side to keep him out of the play. Watching the Clemson game he was one on one almost the whole game.

He isn't the first dominant lineman. We've had a couple here at Cuse. Freeney didn't give up a single damn play and stayed effective.

My problem with Clowney is that he was out of shape, sat out games and gave half effort on lots of plays and didn't care about his team winning or losing. He's got the entourage already.

My only hope is that the NFL teams penalize him for that in the draft recognizing that the kid will do the same thing in the NFL for them when he is unhappy with his contract or when the team is losing or just plain when he doesn't feel like playing. He's selfish. Heart and pride mean something in the NFL. He has none.

Apples and oranges. Again, you are not reading the posts. When you are essentially going to be the #1 draft pick after your true soph season well those are different circumstances. He may still be the #1 guy but he wont dip below the first team looking for an impact DE. He should have sat out.

 

[TheCusian]

Apples and oranges. Again, you are not reading the posts. When you are essentially going to be the #1 draft pick after your true soph season well those are different circumstances. He may still be the #1 guy but he wont dip below the first team looking for an impact DE. He should have sat out.

Reading the posts? This is so backwards. He was going to be the first DE either way. Not the first pick, guaranteed.

So if he plays well, has a similar season to his sophomore season - he is the 1st DE taken.
If he half-a$$es it all season, becomes a distraction and can't live up to they hype because it's hard to be a star player and a good teammate on a good team - he is the first DE taken with some yellow/red flags, bad publicity, and loads of questions from a GM.
If he sat out - he is the first DE taken with some yellow/red flags, bad publicity, and loads of questions from a GM.

When was the last time a sure-fire high 1st rounder sat out a season (for no real reason, aside from protecting himself - when the make insurance for that exact situation) and then still went #1?

I maintain the best situation would be to play his a$$ off, give a 1,000% and see where things end up.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Reading the posts? This is so backwards. He was going to be the first DE either way. Not the first pick, guaranteed.

So if he plays well, has a similar season to his sophomore season - he is the 1st DE taken.
If he half-a$$es it all season, becomes a distraction and can't live up to they hype because it's hard to be a star player and a good teammate on a good team - he is the first DE taken with some yellow/red flags, bad publicity, and loads of questions from a GM.
If he sat out - he is the first DE taken with some yellow/red flags, bad publicity, and loads of questions from a GM.

When was the last time a sure-fire high 1st rounder sat out a season (for no real reason, aside from protecting himself - when the make insurance for that exact situation) and then still went #1?

I maintain the best situation would be to play his a$$ off, give a 1,000% and see where things end up.

The biggest goal is was not to get hurt so he can make some money. He did that, so goal accomplished. If I was Clowney, I would have sat, trained hard, kept my nose clean. Nobody can guarantee a career ending injury isn't right around the corner. Even if he gets taken 5th at that point he still makes money. I would never risk it for college/ no pay for some blow hard boosters and phys ed teachers

Watch the NFL next few weeks, teams and players packing it in everywhere. It's a career, a job. I doubt many 4-10/ 5-9 teams care if they win right now regardless of what is said. Guys on those teams are either trying to avoid injury or work towards a bigger contract in the FA market.

I wonder how much some of the guys on Tampa Bay are willing to give right now?

 

[TheCusian]

The biggest goal is was not to get hurt so he can make some money. He did that, so goal accomplished. If I was Clowney, I would have sat, trained hard, kept my nose clean. Nobody can guarantee a career ending injury isn't right around the corner. Even if he gets taken 5th at that point he still makes money. I would never risk it for college/ no pay for some blow hard boosters and phys ed teachers Watch the NFL next few weeks, teams and players packing it in everywhere. It's a career, a job. I doubt many 4-10/ 5-9 teams care if they win right now regardless of what is said. Guys on those teams are either trying to avoid injury or work towards a bigger contract in the FA market. I wonder how much some of the guys on Tampa Bay are willing to give right now?

The difference is that the NFL teams are packing it in at the behest of the team in an unspoken agreement, while Clowney was packing it in for his own self interest (which has raised flags about his character).

The truth remains: get insurance and play or sit (at cost to yourself) - but don't quit playing hard or pack it in. Mistake.

 

[KaiserUEO]

The difference is that the NFL teams are packing it in at the behest of the team in an unspoken agreement, while Clowney was packing it in for his own self interest (which has raised flags about his character).

The truth remains: get insurance and play or sit (at cost to yourself) - but don't quit playing hard or pack it in. Mistake.

we wont know for sure till thursday night of May the 8th.

im with barrel, he didnt cost himself a dime.

he should go top 5 and no way in hell he gets past 10.

the only mistake was the ole ball coach thinking he could get something out of him. shouldve just suspended him in august and everyone wouldve been fine.

 

[TheCusian]

we wont know for sure till thursday night of May the 8th. im with barrel, he didnt cost himself a dime. he should go top 5 and no way in hell he gets past 10. the only mistake was the ole ball coach thinking he could get something out of him. shouldve just suspended him in august and everyone wouldve been fine.

You may be right on the payday - but he did himself no favors getting endorsements or saving himself from reporters in April. His behavior will compete with his ability for headlines - and that's a mistake.

 

[Rocco]

Edited IB. Wrongly assumed. Point remains the same, which was Donald was high motor, high drive. Clowney wasted his talent and potential this year. I hope the Draft rewards Donald and teams are scared off by Clowney's Albert Haynesworth routine.

Ok, but this is also why the NFL Draft should not have a 3 year-post HS rule. Some kids are good enough to play in the NFL earlier on and should not have to risk ruining their careers with an injury in college.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

The biggest goal is was not to get hurt so he can make some money. He did that, so goal accomplished. If I was Clowney, I would have sat, trained hard, kept my nose clean. Nobody can guarantee a career ending injury isn't right around the corner. Even if he gets taken 5th at that point he still makes money. I would never risk it for college/ no pay for some blow hard boosters and phys ed teachers

Watch the NFL next few weeks, teams and players packing it in everywhere. It's a career, a job. I doubt many 4-10/ 5-9 teams care if they win right now regardless of what is said. Guys on those teams are either trying to avoid injury or work towards a bigger contract in the FA market.

I wonder how much some of the guys on Tampa Bay are willing to give right now?

In fact, you are wrong. He did get hurt, remember? He couldn't play in a couple of games due to "rib pain" and/or symptomatic bone spurs in his foot that he has had since High School. Either we and the NFL believe him and he's got an injury history that kept him out of two games in his last year prior to the draft, in which case, the NFL team that drafts him is taking a chance the bone spurs in particular won't become symptomatic again in the NFL or we and the NFL don't believe him and he purposely chose not to play the game of football for the sake of his team being better with him in the game and NFL teams should be concerned he will take plays off, take games off, hell take whole seasons off so he doesn't get injured and can get another big contract next year.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

In fact, you are wrong. He did get hurt, remember? He couldn't play in a couple of games due to "rib pain" and/or symptomatic bone spurs in his foot that he has had since High School. Either we and the NFL believe him and he's got an injury history that kept him out of two games in his last year prior to the draft, in which case, the NFL team that drafts him is taking a chance the bone spurs in particular won't become symptomatic again in the NFL or we and the NFL don't believe him and he purposely chose not to play the game of football for the sake of his team being better with him in the game and NFL teams should be concerned he will take plays off, take games off, hell take whole seasons off so he doesn't get injured and can get another big contract next year.

This post is beyond comprehension. All done here.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

This post is beyond comprehension. All done here.

I don't think you are reading the posts.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

They should be thanking him so they could inflate their stats.

The hate against this kid is amazing. I love how no one is talking about how the coaching staff / Spurrier has handled and utilized him during his stint at USC.

If teams want to pass on him, I'll gladly take him on the Giants.

And the Giants would've gotten exactly the same out of this lazy uncommitted douche as the Texans have.

http://www.yardbarker.com/mobile/content/article/18305291

 

[dinosaurbbq]

This post is beyond comprehension. All done here.

http://www.yardbarker.com/mobile/content/article/18305291

Clowney is a waste of a roster spot in the NFL. Told y'all. If you play football and don't play at any level when you could, that's a good signal you will do that as often as you can. Clowney is soft and was a bad pick.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

http://www.yardbarker.com/mobile/content/article/18305291

Clowney is a waste of a roster spot in the NFL. Told y'all. If you play football and don't play at any level when you could, that's a good signal you will do that as often as you can. Clowney is soft and was a bad pick.

So microfracture surgery means he's soft and lazy? That link has ZERO to do with your assertion. Since I don't really care about Jadaveon Clowney I'll see myself out now, but your assertion is in no way backed up by that link.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

http://www.yardbarker.com/mobile/content/article/18305291

Clowney is a waste of a roster spot in the NFL. Told y'all. If you play football and don't play at any level when you could, that's a good signal you will do that as often as you can. Clowney is soft and was a bad pick.

What is wrong with you? You Cali-bump your own thread from over a year ago, that has absolutely nothing to do with Syracuse football, simply to take a dump on a kid who is excessively more talented and wealthy than you? Let it go.