playing up tempo pays off

[upperdeck]

no way under the old style we ever come back in the NW or USF games without the new style. five scoring drives in under 3:30. the next to last drive we used 12 plays in under 3:30. thats the only reason we got enough time to score the last drive.

even the drive we didnt do anything we only used 2 min.

USF had 5 scoring drives longer than our longest. and we got back to 80+ plays again this week.

the next step is to get a couple quick strike scores,

 

[RF2044]

the next step is to get a couple quick strike scores,

Laray Smith, come on down.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

no way under the old style we ever come back in the NW or USF games without the new style. five scoring drives in under 3:30. the next to last drive we used 12 plays in under 3:30. thats the only reason we got enough time to score the last drive.

even the drive we didnt do anything we only used 2 min.

USF had 5 scoring drives longer than our longest. and we got back to 80+ plays again this week.

the next step is to get a couple quick strike scores,

Absolutely. This is the right course for our program's offense.

Name another BCS program in the northeast with that style.

YOU CAN'T.

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[HtownOrange]

no way under the old style we ever come back in the NW or USF games without the new style. five scoring drives in under 3:30. the next to last drive we used 12 plays in under 3:30. thats the only reason we got enough time to score the last drive.

even the drive we didnt do anything we only used 2 min.

USF had 5 scoring drives longer than our longest. and we got back to 80+ plays again this week.

the next step is to get a couple quick strike scores,

Right, no way we make a comeback under the old system. Ironically, a the slow, methodical game plan was used by Rutgers and they could not get back. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[bnoro]

Absolutely. This is the right course for our program's offense.

Name another BCS program in the northeast with that style.

YOU CAN'T.

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Funny, because it's the same playbook under Hackett that you've been slaughtering for the last 2 years. Speed it up a bit and now it's style.

 

[Millhouse]

no way under the old style we ever come back in the NW or USF games without the new style. five scoring drives in under 3:30. the next to last drive we used 12 plays in under 3:30. thats the only reason we got enough time to score the last drive.

even the drive we didnt do anything we only used 2 min.

USF had 5 scoring drives longer than our longest. and we got back to 80+ plays again this week.

the next step is to get a couple quick strike scores,

the nice thing about going up tempo is that you don't have to abandon the run so early. it gives you more time. I think generally some coaches panic when they fall behind and overestimate how much more time it uses up to run rather than pass.

 

[Cusee44]

Absolutely. This is the right course for our program's offense.

Name another BCS program in the northeast with that style.

YOU CAN'T.

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What style? Gangnam style?

 

[SmilinBob]

I've always been an advocate of having a team that can pass or run well and be able to take advantage of your opponents weaknesses. One of the things I like about the no huddle is that the kids are used to it and just cruised down the field on that last drive. Being able to pass when your behind to catch up or being able to run the ball to take time off is just such a huge asset. I like how they use the run as a pseudo screen pass to slow the rush.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Speed it up a bit and now it's style.

Yeah, exactly. Which is why last season was so frustrating to watch.

Look, if some of you can't see that this is different I'm not taking responsibility for that.

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[Crusty]

We have a reputation for playing physical and tough. When we speed it wears down opponents by the second half. I believe that is one reason why we were able to pull off the comeback. I think we can go faster and faster as it becomes ingrained in our kids.

 

[OttoMets]

I've always been an advocate of having a team that can pass or run well and be able to take advantage of your opponents weaknesses. One of the things I like about the no huddle is that the kids are used to it and just cruised down the field on that last drive. Being able to pass when your behind to catch up or being able to run the ball to take time off is just such a huge asset. I like how they use the run as a pseudo screen pass to slow the rush.

Good call. Those guys were pretty calm in the last 83 seconds; that style of play is now old hat for them.

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah, exactly. Which is why last season was so frustrating to watch.

Look, if some of you can't see that this is different I'm not taking responsibility for that.

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he talked about going up tempo when he got here.

why do you think he didn't last year?

i think it had to do andrew tiller pushing a fifth of a ton.

 

[SoBristol]

he talked about going up tempo when he got here.

why do you think he didn't last year?

i think it had to do andrew tiller pushing a fifth of a ton.

Not much evidence for the Tiller Theory -- they were going up tempo in August-September with Lou Alexander, who is a close match in bulk for Tiller (but not as effective).
Helps, though, that we have more depth at WR (Sales back) and RB.
The coaches took a look at what was working around the country (up tempo, shotgun, a slot receiver instead of a fullback) and gave it a try. The up-tempo started to be very effective in August practices (per Nassib), and there it was.

 

[SmilinBob]

One thing about the no huddle is that regarding having some serious beef up front...that may be part of the lack drive by the Olineman on those short goal situations.

 

[JD]

It will be interesting to see if the style of O will bring in a different type of athlete who might not have looked at Syracuse before. We just need to find a Black Mamba of our own to really make this offense go.

 

[Millhouse]

Not much evidence for the Tiller Theory -- they were going up tempo in August-September with Lou Alexander, who is a close match in bulk for Tiller (but not as effective).
Helps, though, that we have more depth at WR (Sales back) and RB.
The coaches took a look at what was working around the country (up tempo, shotgun, a slot receiver instead of a fullback) and gave it a try. The up-tempo started to be very effective in August practices (per Nassib), and there it was.

i don't think marrone is a bs'er, he's pretty unfiltered. when he talked up tempo coming in, i believe him but something must've changed his mind to slow down. i don't think it's a bandwagon thing for him because he talked about before 2009. i'm just guessing that tiller and hay had something to do with it

 

[SoBristol]

One thing about the no huddle is that regarding having some serious beef up front...that may be part of the lack drive by the Olineman on those short goal situations.

Yes. We don't have great size at C or OT (compared to Pitt for example). Another reason why we need to spread it out, speed it up.
Goal line situations -- not going to be our strength this season but coaches are doing what they can to mix it up with tank, and slants.

 

[GoSU96]

Yeah, exactly. Which is why last season was so frustrating to watch.

Look, if some of you can't see that this is different I'm not taking responsibility for that.

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They didn't have the numbers or players to run this last year. Not even close.

 

[GoSU96]

i don't think marrone is a bs'er, he's pretty unfiltered. when he talked up tempo coming in, i believe him but something must've changed his mind to slow down. i don't think it's a bandwagon thing for him because he talked about before 2009. i'm just guessing that tiller and hay had something to do with it

Overall depth. Just pure numbers.

It's not only the OL, it's the situation that would would be putting the defense in.

Hell they couldn't even practice at this tempo to learn it.

 

[SmilinBob]

Yes. We don't have great size at C or OT (compared to Pitt for example). Another reason why we need to spread it out, speed it up.
Goal line situations -- not going to be our strength this season but coaches are doing what they can to mix it up with tank, and slants.

I like the tank...multiple receivers... but I truly despise the power push (no receivers)with Smith or Gully in the backfield.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Not just uptempo, the O the last two weeks has really started to throw the ball more down the field utilizing the intermediary 20-30 yard pass plays we were seeing against NW, and this week we took at least 3-4 deep shots down the field one of which was a TD and a penalty was drawn on a 20-25 yard go route as well. I see it as no coincidence that with a renewed effort to throw the ball downfield the Offense has exploded for over 70 points the past two weeks.

 

[Millhouse]

Overall depth. Just pure numbers.

It's not only the OL, it's the situation that would would be putting the defense in.

Hell they couldn't even practice at this tempo to learn it.

good point, i think that's right.

 

[SoBristol]

i don't think marrone is a bs'er, he's pretty unfiltered. when he talked up tempo coming in, i believe him but something must've changed his mind to slow down. i don't think it's a bandwagon thing for him because he talked about before 2009. i'm just guessing that tiller and hay had something to do with it

Not saying he is a BSer, but you have to consider his actions as well as his talk. In the first 3 years, he brought in JUCO/transfer help to add toughness and size -- not speed. (Tiller, Alexander, Cruz.) His WR recruits were in general bigger & taller than what we had, but not faster. Kobena was the exception, and the lightly recruited Clark was a late addition when it was obvious we lacked a deep threat.

He had Carter in his first two years, so Marrone ran the ball in a meat & potatoes offense. He took Bailey (a natural slotback in a spread) and made him the every down runner. He had Provo, so he emphasized the possession pass. Tiller was part of that meat & potatoes offense, so sure it was a factor, but getting Tiller was consistent with the approach Marrone adopted.

A lot of teams (college and pro) are going to a spread, faster tempo offense with the no huddle, and with success. After 3 years of a run first offense, our staff did some off-season work, and followed the trend.

 

[SmilinBob]

Good points...no longer a duct tape offense. Damn good tape and can be used for about anything but I'd rather have things fit nice and flush like.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

he talked about going up tempo when he got here.

why do you think he didn't last year?

i don't think marrone is a bs'er, he's pretty unfiltered. when he talked up tempo coming in, i believe him but something must've changed his mind to slow down. i don't think it's a bandwagon thing for him because he talked about before 2009. i'm just guessing that tiller and hay had something to do with it

Overall depth. Just pure numbers.

It's not only the OL, it's the situation that would would be putting the defense in.

Hell they couldn't even practice at this tempo to learn it.

Not saying he is a BSer, but you have to consider his actions as well as his talk. In the first 3 years, he brought in JUCO/transfer help to add toughness and size -- not speed. (Tiller, Alexander, Cruz.) His WR recruits were in general bigger & taller than what we had, but not faster. Kobena was the exception, and the lightly recruited Clark was a late addition when it was obvious we lacked a deep threat.

He had Carter in his first two years, so Marrone ran the ball in a meat & potatoes offense. He took Bailey (a natural slotback in a spread) and made him the every down runner. He had Provo, so he emphasized the possession pass. Tiller was part of that meat & potatoes offense, so sure it was a factor, but getting Tiller was consistent with the approach Marrone adopted.

A lot of teams (college and pro) are going to a spread, faster tempo offense with the no huddle, and with success. After 3 years of a run first offense, our staff did some off-season work, and followed the trend.

I think what happened is he wasn't enthused with Rob Spence, said screw it we're going with what I know, realized that going with what he knew was putting the team in a hole, so they spent the offseason studying what was working in college football, and now we have what we have.

Better depth mattered, but I also think there was some priority shifts in the type of personnel that interests us.