Please stop with the GROB nonsense

[rocklloyd]

Saw the Poliquin article. We had 384 feet of offense on Saturday. Had to do a double take. FEET!

Something is not working with the talent we have. I feel like we blindly 'square pegged into round hole' the last 8 or so games.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Year 2 for each coach.

PPG
Grob 17.4
Shafer 17.1

Wins
Grob 4
Shafer 3

PPG

Groh 17.4
Shafer 17.1
Mac 12.8

Wins

Groh 4
Shafer 3
Mac 2

Et tu Bees?

You are generally one of the most level-headed and rational posters.

 

[llandz]

I actually had and have high expectations. I think that is worse. If you have low expectations than you were not as disappointed as I was. Much further drop from the high to where we are. Looking at the offense number versus Penn St. and Michigan will keep those expectations high. Because you know those teams will not stay with those type of numbers for more than one or two seasons, so why can we not improve as much also. And don't tell me Syracuse is not as big as a program, because we have had some pretty good teams over the years. And yes private vs. public, yadda yadda yadda. I still like movies like the Bad News Bears, and The Mighty Ducks. Forever an optimist.

 

[Alsacs]

PPG

Groh 17.4
Shafer 17.1
Mac 12.8

Wins

Groh 4
Shafer 3
Mac 2

Was Rutgers a recruiting threat during the Mac days? Was UConn playing division 1 football during the Mac days? We're our facilities completely inferior to our competitors during the Mac day? Was their big time television money during the Mac day?

Answers no,no,no,no.

If we followed the Mac model Greg Robinson should have been given a 5th year as Syracuse HC.

 

[xc84]

You could search and find 100s of posts over the past several years comparing a year or the program to the Grob days. So it's a fact people have low expectations.

Sorry. You know you are wrong. No one has set their expectation bar at GRob. No fan has said they would be happy with a GRob-like team. When people say it is like GRob's days, of course some will respond to that and say it is not. Yes, there are over 100 such responses.

 

[rrlbees]

PPG Groh 17.4 Shafer 17.1 Mac 12.8 Wins Groh 4 Shafer 3 Mac 2 Et tu Bees? You are generally one of the most level-headed and rational posters.

It means there is still hope. Only comparing this single season and how bad it was on offense. It has to be better next year.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Was Rutgers a recruiting threat during the Mac days? Was UConn playing division 1 football during the Mac days? We're our facilities completely inferior to our competitors during the Mac day? Was their big time television money during the Mac day?

Answers no,no,no,no.

If we followed the Mac model Greg Robinson should have been given a 5th year as Syracuse HC.

Meaning there was even less of an excuse for MAC to go 4-6-1 and 2-9 in his first two seasons since he was not burdened by any of the disadvantages you point out.

What is your point?

 

[Forza Azzurri]

It means there is still hope. Only comparing this single season and how bad it was on offense. It has to be better next year.

Ah ok. That is more like the 'Bees I know.

 

[xc84]

Was Rutgers a recruiting threat during the Mac days? Was UConn playing division 1 football during the Mac days? We're our facilities completely inferior to our competitors during the Mac day? Was their big time television money during the Mac day?

Answers no,no,no,no.

If we followed the Mac model Greg Robinson should have been given a 5th year as Syracuse HC.

Nah. Robinson had 10 wins over 4 years. Mac had 18 wins his first 4 years with 1 less game per season back then. Mac had 2 winning seasons over those first 4 to GRob's none.

 

[rrlbees]

Sorry. You know you are wrong. No one has set their expectation bar at GRob. No fan has said they would be happy with a GRob-like team. When people say it is like GRob's days, of course some will respond to that and say it is not. Yes, there are over 100 such responses.

No, I don't know I am wrong. There have been plenty of posts saying what you point out, but there has been plenty by a group of posters that basically say "at least it's better than the GRob years". That's a low bar and low expectation. And those posts go back to when Marrone came on and have continued since.

 

[Stern]

That fact that it's even a debate is sad. Very sad.

I totally agree and it's a fair debate. Injuries play a part no doubt, but the number of injures SU had makes you wonder if this staff and strength and conditioning people have a clue as to what they are doing. It really does. It's a results oriented business and when you win 3 games (2 of which vs Nova and C.Michigan and we were lucky to beat Nova)...its a fair comparison. Throw onto the fact his decision making, his goofy press conferences (Isis of all things)...and its legit.

The man is clearly in over his head. Fire him now, fire him a year from now. It's just crystal clear he in't the head coach to turn this program around.

 

[Alsacs]

Nah. Robinson had 10 wins over 4 years. Mac had 18 wins his first 4 years with 1 less game per season back then. Mac had 2 winning seasons over those first 4 to GRob's none.

I said before Scott Shafer is our version of Frank Spaziani only Spaziani took till year 3 to start crapping out. Scott Shafer started in year two. If there was any reason to believe the offense would get better it is one thing but SS doesn't appear ready to break up the band.

 

[djorange1989]

Grob was 10-37.

If we lose our next 22 games, then Shafer is Grob bad. That's how bad it was.

But this was some kind of awful.

He has one year to right the ship, IMO.

Great post agree completely. I wasn't trying to set the bar low saying hey he is better than GROB just wanting to end the hyperbole. This season was a train wreck and we lose most of our key guys on D which was the only good unit on the team. Offense and ST sucked, though Dixon and Murphy both tried to save the ST grade. Too many return TDs for the opposition and nada for us

 

[OrangePA]

This season sucked but if I recall Shafer took over a team last year that lost its QB, both WRs, star OL, best playmaker in the secondary, jumped to a better conference and got to a bowl and won it. When did GROB ever get close to a bowl or 7 wins? People also act as if Marrone left HCSS the second coming of the 2001 Miami Hurricanes. Offensively he left the guy with Hunt, Loeb and Kinder at QB and a whole lot of nothing at WR. I am not thrilled with how things went down this year and another year like it next year will have me asking for a new HC too. In the meantime the guy deserves another year and he deserves the decency of not being compared to the worst coach I have seen in 40 years of watching football

Parcells said "you are what your record says you are."

In that sense, this season is a Robinson season.

And, in the way we seemed so outclassed so often - the way we were decisively beaten by peer programs like Pitt and BC and the way we seemed so ill-prepared when the season began. It all smacked of Greg Robinson to me.

Indeed, as I have been saying since the Sunday of Week One - the Nova game felt like the Coach Robinson era to me.

Having said that, I agree that Coach Shafer deserves more time. I am confident that he will learn a lot from this season - that we are headed for good times in the Dome.

But, for that to happen Scott will have to make a lot of changes. If I am him, I make those changes quickly.

 

[PASyrFan]

I totally agree and it's a fair debate. Injuries play a part no doubt, but the number of injures SU had makes you wonder if this staff and strength and conditioning people have a clue as to what they are doing. It really does. It's a results oriented business and when you win 3 games (2 of which vs Nova and C.Michigan and we were lucky to beat Nova)...its a fair comparison. Throw onto the fact his decision making, his goofy press conferences (Isis of all things)...and its legit.

The man is clearly in over his head. Fire him now, fire him a year from now. It's just crystal clear he in't the head coach to turn this program around.

I agree 100%. We can give him another year, but it'll only be delaying the inevitable. And our Program will be digging another hole similar to the one that Grob dug. Will there be another Marrone around to save us from extinction the next time around?

 

[xc84]

No, I don't know I am wrong. There have been plenty of posts saying what you point out, but there has been plenty by a group of posters that basically say "at least it's better than the GRob years". That's a low bar and low expectation. And those posts go back to when Marrone came on and have continued since.

No one has said that being better than GRob is a goal. No one has said that they measure a successful season by being better than a GRob team. All fans EXPECT this team to be much better than any GRob team.

 

[SWC75]

G-Rob should have been fired after year #3. We knew by then that he was a poor coach. If Shafer has another year like this, he should be, too. I don't believe he will have another year like this. But I'm also starting to doubt that he is the guy to take us beyond 6-6 type seasons. and I think we should want to go there. His decision-making is sometimes bizarre and he seems to like it better when his defense is on the field.

But maybe he'll improve.

 

[Millhouse]

G-Rob should have been fired after year #3. We knew by then that he was a poor coach. If Shafer has another year like this, he should be, too. I don't believe he will have another year like this. But I'm also starting to doubt that he is the guy to take us beyond 6-6 type seasons. and I think we should want to go there. His decision-making is sometimes bizarre and he seems to like it better when his defense is on the field. But maybe he'll improve.

He should've been fired after year one or earlier

 

[TheCusian]

Was Rutgers a recruiting threat during the Mac days? Was UConn playing division 1 football during the Mac days? We're our facilities completely inferior to our competitors during the Mac day? Was their big time television money during the Mac day? Answers no,no,no,no. If we followed the Mac model Greg Robinson should have been given a 5th year as Syracuse HC.

UCONN is no longer relevant. They are as bad on both sides of the ball as us playing much worse competition.

 

[TheCusian]

A lot of posters saying that we know next year will be horrible. How do we know this? Everyone knew we'd be good this year based on last year's finish.

It's nuts.

I have no idea how it will go. And neither do you.

 

[rrlbees]

No one has said that being better than GRob is a goal. No one has said that they measure a successful season by being better than a GRob team. All fans EXPECT this team to be much better than any GRob team.

So you don't think that this year alone getting to 6-6 would have thrilled some people? If I have the time and feel like it, maybe I'll do a search and point out some posts where people DID say at least it's better than the Grob years. Heck, even today, or last night, a poster said they were going back to the Grob years in evaluating our chances to win a game. If you think the expectations of our fanbase now is the same as it was in the 90s and early 2000s, you're wrong. Just making any bowl game at 6-6 satisfies a lot of people. And before last season when I said I expected 8 wins or more, a LOT of people said it was unreasonable.

 

[CuseOnly]

Was Rutgers a recruiting threat during the Mac days? Was UConn playing division 1 football during the Mac days? We're our facilities completely inferior to our competitors during the Mac day? Was their big time television money during the Mac day?

Answers no,no,no,no.

If we followed the Mac model Greg Robinson should have been given a 5th year as Syracuse HC.

So you are saying Mac had every possible advantage over the other 2 coaches and still sucked worse? Or were you just trying to get people to understand that the landscape was different then because those things did not help make your point.

 

[SWC75]

So you don't think that this year alone getting to 6-6 would have thrilled some people? If I have the time and feel like it, maybe I'll do a search and point out some posts where people DID say at least it's better than the Grob years. Heck, even today, or last night, a poster said they were going back to the Grob years in evaluating our chances to win a game. If you think the expectations of our fanbase now is the same as it was in the 90s and early 2000s, you're wrong. Just making any bowl game at 6-6 satisfies a lot of people. And before last season when I said I expected 8 wins or more, a LOT of people said it was unreasonable.

I thought 6-6 was probably our ceiling this year, although I expected as we continue to recruit well that that will go up in future years. It will be interesting to see what the likely absence of MacDonald and having a 3-9 season this year will have on that recruiting.

 

[KaiserUEO]

A lot of posters saying that we know next year will be horrible. How do we know this? Everyone knew we'd be good this year based on last year's finish.

It's nuts.

I have no idea how it will go. And neither do you.

I know this.

I know this because I know what I see..and I know what will happen...and that's based upon experience.

Just because you could leave meat outside right now and it won't spoil...and say that I have no idea if the weather really will change, get warmer and spoil it...so I should just blindly leave it outside all year...is FN ASSININE.

I know what I see...and I know what will happen.

FIRE THIS ASSCLOWN TOMORROW AND MOVE ON!

 

[Alsacs]

I know this.

I know this because I know what I see..and I know what will happen...and that's based upon experience.

Just because you could leave meat outside right now and it won't spoil...and say that I have no idea if the weather really will change, get warmer and spoil it...so I should just blindly leave it outside all year...is FN ASSININE.

I know what I see...and I know what will happen.

FIRE THIS ASSCLOWN TOMORROW AND MOVE ON!

My god thank you. TheCusian you are a nice person but c'mon. This board needs idealists like you but as Kaiser says above perfectly. We are realists this program had a Greg Robinson caliber season this year.

What reason do you think we have any chance to be better than 6-6 with this coaching staff. Our offense was embarrassing this year and was mediocre last year.