Please stop with the GROB nonsense

[Alsacs]

So you are saying Mac had every possible advantage over the other 2 coaches and still sucked worse? Or were you just trying to get people to understand that the landscape was different then because those things did not help make your point.

My point was you could be more patient back then because we only competing with Penn State/Pitt/BC for Northeast recruits and without the money there is now we could afford to be patient.

Nowadays you can't afford to be patient with people not good and with the $$$ we can make a move.

 

[anomander]

My god thank you. TheCusian you are a nice person but c'mon. This board needs idealists like you but as Kaiser says above perfectly. We are realists this program had a Greg Robinson caliber season this year.

What reason do you think we have any chance to be better than 6-6 with this coaching staff. Our offense was embarrassing this year and was mediocre last year.

I sadly agree. I like TheCusian's positive attitude, it's much needed when it comes to Syracuse Football, but sometimes things are just too tough to difficult to justify.

I have a few problems with Shafer, but first i'll start with some positives...His teams always play hard. I think they showed this year they wanted to play hard for their coach. He's a players coach and it shows. The guys love him. It really feels like he has maintained the family atmosphere. Next, he is a great guy. High character, which makes it easy to route for. Unfortunately that's doesn't make a great Head Coach.

My main problem is that I don't see a plan. What he did by demoting McDonald mid-season smelled of desperation. What was his rationale? Did he think this offense was talented enough to be better then they were showing? Was it factored in that Lester doesn't even run the same offense, and all of the offensive recruiting for the past 2 years might have been wasted? I really can't come up with any reason that move would have been made if there were a long-term plan. After the season if he felt a change needed to be made is fine, but he basically ended the season after game 5 by doing that.

What's his recruiting strategy? I've heard it changed from year 1 to year 2. First year we had a target list, and went after the top guys, and worked down. This year I heard they had a cut off and anyone above the cut off they would accept a commitment from. It didn't matter if you had a list of 30 guys, made a cutoff at 15, and the 14th guy wanted to commit. I think you can see how that worked out by looking at some of this years early commits. We have a bunch of guys with no other offers.

Finally I am worried about game planning. There were a few things that popped up last year that really raised an alarm. I heard they hired someone before the GT game that was a supposed "option guru". What is that? Can you imagine any other top coach hiring out a specialist to help game plan that week? That was even on his side of the ball, the offense has been it's own disaster. I've yet to see a game he has coached where he went in and out coached us to a win. That's my biggest worry because I don't see that changing.

 

[MSOrange]

I sadly agree. I like TheCusian's positive attitude, it's much needed when it comes to Syracuse Football, but sometimes things are just too tough to difficult to justify.

I have a few problems with Shafer, but first i'll start with some positives...His teams always play hard. I think they showed this year they wanted to play hard for their coach. He's a players coach and it shows. The guys love him. It really feels like he has maintained the family atmosphere. Next, he is a great guy. High character, which makes it easy to route for. Unfortunately that's doesn't make a great Head Coach.

My main problem is that I don't see a plan. What he did by demoting McDonald mid-season smelled of desperation. What was his rationale? Did he think this offense was talented enough to be better then they were showing? Was it factored in that Lester doesn't even run the same offense, and all of the offensive recruiting for the past 2 years might have been wasted? I really can't come up with any reason that move would have been made if there were a long-term plan. After the season if he felt a change needed to be made is fine, but he basically ended the season after game 5 by doing that.

What's his recruiting strategy? I've heard it changed from year 1 to year 2. First year we had a target list, and went after the top guys, and worked down. This year I heard they had a cut off and anyone above the cut off they would accept a commitment from. It didn't matter if you had a list of 30 guys and made a cutoff at 15, and the 14th guy wanted to commit. I think you can see how that worked out by looking at some of this years commits. We have a bunch of guys with no other offers.

Finally I am worried about game planning. There were a few things that popped up last year that really raised an alarm. I heard they hired someone before the GT game that was a supposed "option guru". What is that? Can you imagine any other top coach hiring out a specialist to help game plan that week? That was even on his side of the ball, the offense has been it's own disaster. I've yet to see a game he has coached where he went in and out coached. That's my biggest worry because I don't see that changing.

Really good and fair post imho

 

[SWC75]

Whoever would replace Shafer would be another career assistant or a guy who's never been a head coach at this level. Just another role of the dice.

 

[CuseOnly]

I sadly agree. I like TheCusian's positive attitude, it's much needed when it comes to Syracuse Football, but sometimes things are just too tough to difficult to justify.

I have a few problems with Shafer, but first i'll start with some positives...His teams always play hard. I think they showed this year they wanted to play hard for their coach. He's a players coach and it shows. The guys love him. It really feels like he has maintained the family atmosphere. Next, he is a great guy. High character, which makes it easy to route for. Unfortunately that's doesn't make a great Head Coach.

My main problem is that I don't see a plan. What he did by demoting McDonald mid-season smelled of desperation. What was his rationale? Did he think this offense was talented enough to be better then they were showing? Was it factored in that Lester doesn't even run the same offense, and all of the offensive recruiting for the past 2 years might have been wasted? I really can't come up with any reason that move would have been made if there were a long-term plan. After the season if he felt a change needed to be made is fine, but he basically ended the season after game 5 by doing that.

What's his recruiting strategy? I've heard it changed from year 1 to year 2. First year we had a target list, and went after the top guys, and worked down. This year I heard they had a cut off and anyone above the cut off they would accept a commitment from. It didn't matter if you had a list of 30 guys, made a cutoff at 15, and the 14th guy wanted to commit. I think you can see how that worked out by looking at some of this years early commits. We have a bunch of guys with no other offers.

Finally I am worried about game planning. There were a few things that popped up last year that really raised an alarm. I heard they hired someone before the GT game that was a supposed "option guru". What is that? Can you imagine any other top coach hiring out a specialist to help game plan that week? That was even on his side of the ball, the offense has been it's own disaster. I've yet to see a game he has coached where he went in and out coached us to a win. That's my biggest worry because I don't see that changing.

really good post

 

[rocklloyd]

Whoever would replace Shafer would be another career assistant or a guy who's never been a head coach at this level. Just another role of the dice.

In my opinion, if we are going to whack him this year then we have to get a proven name and recruiter to hit ground in full sprint. If you wait until after next year, then I think you can go up and coming assistant and possibly get away with it. That said, by then the program will be on life support if we're still talking about taking him out at end of next year. I shudder in fear over this scenario...

 

[Millhouse]

I sadly agree. I like TheCusian's positive attitude, it's much needed when it comes to Syracuse Football, but sometimes things are just too tough to difficult to justify.

I have a few problems with Shafer, but first i'll start with some positives...His teams always play hard. I think they showed this year they wanted to play hard for their coach. He's a players coach and it shows. The guys love him. It really feels like he has maintained the family atmosphere. Next, he is a great guy. High character, which makes it easy to route for. Unfortunately that's doesn't make a great Head Coach.

My main problem is that I don't see a plan. What he did by demoting McDonald mid-season smelled of desperation. What was his rationale? Did he think this offense was talented enough to be better then they were showing? Was it factored in that Lester doesn't even run the same offense, and all of the offensive recruiting for the past 2 years might have been wasted? I really can't come up with any reason that move would have been made if there were a long-term plan. After the season if he felt a change needed to be made is fine, but he basically ended the season after game 5 by doing that.

What's his recruiting strategy? I've heard it changed from year 1 to year 2. First year we had a target list, and went after the top guys, and worked down. This year I heard they had a cut off and anyone above the cut off they would accept a commitment from. It didn't matter if you had a list of 30 guys, made a cutoff at 15, and the 14th guy wanted to commit. I think you can see how that worked out by looking at some of this years early commits. We have a bunch of guys with no other offers.

Finally I am worried about game planning. There were a few things that popped up last year that really raised an alarm. I heard they hired someone before the GT game that was a supposed "option guru". What is that? Can you imagine any other top coach hiring out a specialist to help game plan that week? That was even on his side of the ball, the offense has been it's own disaster. I've yet to see a game he has coached where he went in and out coached us to a win. That's my biggest worry because I don't see that changing.

Part of the reason for firing McDonald was to give Lester an audition. And next thing you know he got the job for next year. Had I known that there was nothing lester could do lose the job, I would've built a shrine to mcdonalds greatness

It's nuts that Lester gets year two. "No one knows what my offense is! And I think that's a good thing."

 

[Bayside44]

I know this.

I know this because I know what I see..and I know what will happen...and that's based upon experience.

Just because you could leave meat outside right now and it won't spoil...and say that I have no idea if the weather really will change, get warmer and spoil it...so I should just blindly leave it outside all year...is FN ASSININE.

I know what I see...and I know what will happen.

FIRE THIS ASSCLOWN TOMORROW AND MOVE ON!

Do you want Gross making the hire? I don't.

 

[Alsacs]

Part of the reason for firing McDonald was to give Lester an audition. And next thing you know he got the job for next year. Had I known that there was nothing lester could do lose the job, I would've built a shrine to mcdonalds greatness

It's nuts that Lester gets year two. "No one knows what my offense is! And I think that's a good thing."

Honestly it is like Richard Nixon campaigning on his secret plan to end the Vietnam War. He couldn't tell anybody what it was until he was elected and then all we did was bomb Cambodia.

The fact Scott Shafer already committed the OC job to Lester after these past few weeks is just nauseating. BUT SS deserves more time. Keeping The status quo for next year is just depressing.

 

[Millhouse]

Do you want Gross making the hire? I don't.

If gross gets another year and he makes another bad call, fire that guy. It's only a problem if we insist on giving everyone three or four years no matter what

 

[KaiserUEO]

Do you want Gross making the hire? I don't.

not really, but despite the smoke there seems to be no fire regarding his departure.

basically the only hire which was his, was grobbycakes. get that search firm on payroll and lets start vetting and poking around with Doc, SCOTT FROST, pelini...anyone but our pool party, cue card reading, nonsense soundbite, punt-fan coach that we have now.

 

[Chip]

Do you want Gross making the hire? I don't.

Make it a committee. Give him an equal voice in the matter. But no decision making authority. It's a new chancellor, he can pull something like that off. If Gross leaves because of it, so be it. But he won't. If it ends up being a good hire, he's not going to miss the opportunity to take all the credit.