Post Brooklyn Beatdown

[Newhouser]

It's interesting for me in that Eddie is much better than I thought he'd be and Carlos is much worse. I guess that is a draw for Red. I like Davis and get his role but have no idea why he brought in Taylor - we need to play Moore regular minutes. Davis will get minutes when Donnie has a Frosh game. Speaking of Donnie I think the board overstated his impact due to the glare of the MCD game and the rankings. The kid from Texas was one spot ahead of him I think and clearly was more ready to carry a team than Donnie has shown thus far.

 

[TheCusian]

I’m so over the “the bar is so low” “we’ve fallen so far” posts … I don’t know what good comes from it. Reality is a good thing. Now we celebrate incremental improvements, hopefully getting better game by game. That’s the path forward for the team *and* healthy fandom IMO

 

[Sbucketball]

It's interesting for me in that Eddie is much better than I thought he'd be and Carlos is much worse. I guess that is a draw for Red. I like Davis and get his role but have no idea why he brought in Taylor - we need to play Moore regular minutes. Davis will get minutes when Donnie has a Frosh game. Speaking of Donnie I think the board overstated his impact due to the glare of the MCD game and the rankings. The kid from Texas was one spot ahead of him I think and clearly was more ready to carry a team than Donnie has shown thus far.

I've been saying this for a year, but Donnie was rated highly on potential and measurables, not because he already put it all together. In the NBA draft, he's the guy scouts get excited about because of potential despite that he's still raw. That translates to an up and down year of college, and then hopefully representing Orange in the NBA over a long and successful career.

 

[Lukeyloo]

So if we don’t pay Lampkin we automatically get Leffew? Is that your point? Because if it is, you’re likely wrong. SEC money is endless. I’m sorry people don’t grasp this at this point.

Didn't we outbid an SEC school for Lampkin when we had to fight to keep him?

 

[Cstate]

It's interesting for me in that Eddie is much better than I thought he'd be and Carlos is much worse. I guess that is a draw for Red. I like Davis and get his role but have no idea why he brought in Taylor - we need to play Moore regular minutes. Davis will get minutes when Donnie has a Frosh game. Speaking of Donnie I think the board overstated his impact due to the glare of the MCD game and the rankings. The kid from Texas was one spot ahead of him I think and clearly was more ready to carry a team than Donnie has shown thus far.

After watching the game against Texas up close you are spot on with this assessment! Lampkin was an absolute difference maker, however we all saw that he is in no condition to play back-to-back nights. Luckily for us that will only come into play months from now at ACC tourney and possibly NCAA’s (every other night). Carlos unfortunately I already addressed in the Texas post-game thread. Davis was really pounding his body against Texas, but again not ready for back-to-back nights. And lastly to your point about the two McD’s players on the court, never once did anyone in the stands say “wow Donnie is a pro!”…..however all night long the crowd (and I sat around 90% Cuse fans) said “Wow! Tre Johnson is a legit pro/lottery pick!” Even though he wasn’t that efficient either of his two games in Brooklyn. You could just tell he was their go-to guy.

 

[djcon57]

And for those of you doubting Jake, you really need to go get help.

Just want to clarify since you chose to take this shot.

I don't "doubt" Jake is getting info and I don't think Jake is blindly posting everything he hears (not to mention, I'm not saying Jake is a bad guy and his sources are obviously legit), but to blindly accept everything he posts and not understand his sources might have an agenda behind their opinion/"facts"...well it's just ignorant.

Here's a perfect example:

"Centers are the more expensive product in NIL. I actually think we offered the same relative value (ballpark). Got one, didn’t get the other."

Here's a SOURCED article in the NY Times that specifically states otherwise. In fact, it states Centers are the CHEAPEST

In College Sports’ Big Money Era, Here’s Where the Dollars Go

On average, $1 million for S.E.C. quarterbacks; guards who earn a quarter of that: The New York Times examined the so-called Black Book, a kind of Zillow for college sports, that details athletes’ expected annual pay.

www.nytimes.com

Now, AGAIN, I'm not suggesting the boosters didn't tell Jake this. I'm suggesting there's a reason they stated it (i.e. We paid for a center)

 

[DoctahLexus]

Just want to clarify since you chose to take this shot.

I don't "doubt" Jake is getting info and I don't think Jake is blindly posting everything he hears (not to mention, I'm not saying Jake is a bad guy and his sources are obviously legit), but to blindly accept everything he posts and not understand his sources might have an agenda behind their opinion/"facts"...well it's just ignorant.

Here's a perfect example:

"Centers are the more expensive product in NIL. I actually think we offered the same relative value (ballpark). Got one, didn’t get the other."

Here's a SOURCED article in the NY Times that specifically states otherwise. In fact, it states Centers are the CHEAPEST

In College Sports’ Big Money Era, Here’s Where the Dollars Go

On average, $1 million for S.E.C. quarterbacks; guards who earn a quarter of that: The New York Times examined the so-called Black Book, a kind of Zillow for college sports, that details athletes’ expected annual pay.

www.nytimes.com

Now, AGAIN, I'm not suggesting the boosters didn't tell Jake this. I'm suggesting there's a reason they stated it (i.e. We paid for a center)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but since it says these are the top 25 at each position, wouldn’t the demand for a top 25 guard or forward be higher since there are two starting guards and forwards but only one starting center? Maybe they factor that in some other way. Like it would be twice as easy to be a top 25 center vs a top 25 guard. If I’m being dumb here don’t hesitate to say so

 

[two3zone]

To keep things clear since you caught me mid edit in the last post:

My point is the money helps of course, but it isn't a direct correlation. We're not so poor that we can't compete and the landscape of college sports proves that. It's just a weak excuse.

This is what I've been saying. We strike out on talent more than we have wins, that's why we've continuously and slowing gone down hill.

We cannot evaluate talent well enough and haven't for awhile.

 

[djcon57]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but since it says these are the top 25 at each position, wouldn’t the demand for a top 25 guard or forward be higher since there are two starting guards and forwards but only one starting center? Maybe they factor that in some other way. Like it would be twice as easy to be a top 25 center vs a top 25 guard. If I’m being dumb here don’t hesitate to say so

I get what you are saying, but think of it this way.

If you took at average of the top 25 of the highest paid QBs in the NFL and a top 25 of EVERY DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. What would be higher?

You could conclude. Oh, QBs get paid the highest.

In this case, if Centers get paid the highest, it would show accordingly.

 

[two3zone]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but since it says these are the top 25 at each position, wouldn’t the demand for a top 25 guard or forward be higher since there are two starting guards and forwards but only one starting center? Maybe they factor that in some other way. Like it would be twice as easy to be a top 25 center vs a top 25 guard. If I’m being dumb here don’t hesitate to say so

Kadary was one of the best guards available and I think Lampkin got paid around the same.

I'm guessing you nailed it.

 

[DoctahLexus]

I get what you are saying, but think of it this way.

If you took at average of the top 25 of the highest paid QBs in the NFL and a top 25 of EVERY DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. What would be higher?

You could conclude. Oh, QBs get paid the highest.

In this case, if Centers get paid the highest, it would show accordingly.

Dont think NFL is a 1 to 1 comparison here given the value at the QB position in football. How would this chart look if they had separate categories for point guard and shooting guard? Or small forward and power forward? I get why they didn't do that since the lines can be blurred between those positions, but if they did, I assume the pay demand for centers would look higher.

 

[djcon57]

Dont think NFL is a 1 to 1 comparison here given the value at the QB position in football. How would this chart look if they had separate categories for point guard and shooting guard? Or small forward and power forward? I get why they didn't do that since the lines can be blurred between those positions, but if they did, I assume the pay demand for centers would look higher.

If you want to think centers get paid more than scoring wings or point guards, feel free. I'm not going to stop you.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Kadary was one of the best guards available and I think Lampkin got paid around the same.

I'm guessing you nailed it.

Hey man I am a bit of a stoner too so don't say I nailed anything until we get a more sober math wiz on the subject