Prepared to get killed by armchair doctors.

[Crusty]

I was a keeper in soccer. Got completely run over once about 13 years ago. I was knocked out for a half hour, and back in the net 2 days later.

Hmmmm...that may explain a lot!

 

[PhatOrange]

I watched the reply about 25 times. I was trying to see if Dungey had wobbly legs when he stood up and he didn't. No matter how many times i tried to find them I didn't see it. In my armchair doctor opinion he was fine.

 

[xc84]

You should start watching soccer then. Have you ever played Football? It's a violent game. You are getting hit by big men. Dungey took a big shot doesn't automatically mean he had a concussion. If anything Syracuse is overly cautious about this. I have no doubt he passed the concussion test with ease. I would have gone nuts if I took a big hit and was pulled if I wasn't concussed (which you could obviously tell by him popping right back up and running right back to the huddle). Sometimes when you take big hits it hurts. You should expect these guys to take a half second to get up.

Maybe not soccer either: http://www.newsleader.com/story/sports/2015/06/25/concussions-soccer-football-wrestling/29268651/

 

[Rage4CUSE]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/us/illinois-high-school-football-player-death/

That would just happen to be the 7th kid to die from football injuries. In 2015 alone. And there was 11 reported deaths from football in high school last year, 5 of those deaths are from direct hits in games.

So now after reading those stats. How many kids have died from injuries suffered from lets say soccer, basketball, baseball, hockey, lacrosse?

 

[qdawgg]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/us/illinois-high-school-football-player-death/

That would just happen to be the 7th kid to die from football injuries. In 2015 alone. And there was 11 reported deaths from football in high school last year, 5 of those deaths are from direct hits in games.

So now after reading those stats. How many kids have died from injuries suffered from lets say soccer, basketball, baseball, hockey, lacrosse?

Who the cares. It's not a contest to see which sport kills the most kids.

 

[jekelish]

I watched the reply about 25 times. I was trying to see if Dungey had wobbly legs when he stood up and he didn't. No matter how many times i tried to find them I didn't see it. In my armchair doctor opinion he was fine.

It's been indicated to me that Eric was telling people after the fact he was trying to draw a flag, so he was acting to a degree, until he realized he'd get yanked if he didn't pop up.

Take that with a grain of salt, but that's something I've been told was going through his mind.

 

[rocklloyd]

It's been indicated to me that Eric was telling people after the fact he was trying to draw a flag, so he was acting to a degree, until he realized he'd get yanked if he didn't pop up.

Take that with a grain of salt, but that's something I've been told was going through his mind.

I'd buy that explanation.

 

[jekelish]

I'd buy that explanation.

Again, grain of salt. But I've been told this is what Eric was saying after the game.

 

[Rage4CUSE]

It's been indicated to me that Eric was telling people after the fact he was trying to draw a flag, so he was acting to a degree, until he realized he'd get yanked if he didn't pop up.

Take that with a grain of salt, but that's something I've been told was going through his mind.

I can see that because when he does pop up after the 2 seconds, he doesn't seem wobbly at all. But, when you do that, it makes it look like you suffered at least a small concussion.

 

[jekelish]

I can see that because when he does pop up after the 2 seconds, he doesn't seem wobbly at all. But, when you do that, it makes it look like you suffered at least a small concussion.

Yeah, and he apparently realized that. That's part of why he was pleading with the staff to let him stay in the game so hard, from what I've heard.

 

[Rage4CUSE]

Yeah, and he apparently realized that. That's part of why he was pleading with the staff to let him stay in the game so hard, from what I've heard.

Hopefully, having to deal with the concussion protocol, he won't be doing that anymore.

 

[Willy75]

Again, grain of salt. But I've been told this is what Eric was saying after the game.

You can never, never base a decision on what the player says or wants to do during the game. To me Shanahan allowing RG III to go back in against the Seahawks was one of the most reprehensible things I've ever witnessed in sports.

 

[jekelish]

You can never, never base a decision on what the player says or wants to do during the game. To me Shanahan allowing RG III to go back in against the Seahawks was one of the most reprehensible things I've ever witnessed in sports.

Well it's a good thing they brought him back to the locker room and had the medical staff clear him just to be safe, then, isn't it.

 

[qdawgg]

I can see this scenario being accurate too. I haven't chimed in on this because I'm not a doctor but I've seen quite a few concussions and have had 2 major ones myself in the last year and a half. Including being hit by a car riding my bike a month ago and being knocked out for 7 - 10 minutes.

If you watch his reaction from the time he looks knocked out to the seconds after when he puts his arms into the turf and moves his head. Those movements were quick/decisive. Some people might think of boxing or UFC when a guy gets knocked out, wakes up, and his reaction is to keep fighting because he doesn't know where he is. This is not what happened with ED. He knew exactly what was going on when he started looking around and got off the turf.

I'm not a doctor though, so I could be completely wrong because I hope he didn't have a concussion.

 

[Chip]

None of us know the whole story. I'm assuming that Dungey and his parents are getting the full story and getting multiple opinions if they are unsure.

So I don't think any of us are in a position to judge this. If Eric, his parents, his coaches, his doctors are all ok with him playing then we should wish him the best.

I'd probably sit him this weekend though because those mofos in Tallahassee are angry and they hit hard when they're angry.

 

[Willy75]

Well it's a good thing they brought him back to the locker room and had the medical staff clear him just to be safe, then, isn't it.

It sure was. I'm not the biggest fan of the current coaching regime but Shafer's concern for player safety is beyond doubt. Brady Hoke not so much.

 

[CU44SE]

I disagree with most here, I don't believe he should have returned. The kid was knocked out, this was obvious the way his limbs went lifeless. People were in outrage when Shamarko was let back into the game against pitt 2 years ago, this isn't much different. And yes he is a freshman, but those were by far his two worst throws of the day after he got back into the game.

 

[jekelish]

I disagree with most here, I don't believe he should have returned. The kid was knocked out, this was obvious the way his limbs went lifeless. People were in outrage when Shamarko was let back into the game against pitt 2 years ago, this isn't much different. And yes he is a freshman, but those were by far his two worst throws of the day after he got back into the game.

So you're saying you were able to tell from either the stands or on TV, wherever you were, what his health status was better than a team of trainers and team doctors?

Ok.

 

[CU44SE]

So you're saying you were able to tell from either the stands or on TV, wherever you were, what his health status was better than a team of trainers and team doctors?

Ok.

His body went limb, that was obvious. He was knocked out, it was very clear. He should not have returned imo. You clearly have a different opinion. Their are many other issues at play, not all of which can be diagnosed in a 2 minute time frame. The player always wants to play, the decision needs to be taken out of his hands. Especially with the fact he just had a concussion less then a month ago. This is a lifetime decision, not a regular season spur of the moment decision. Imo the coaches should have protected him.

Would love to hear what Bambrewer would have to say if this happened to shy. Just coming back from a concussion less then a month ago and takes a viscous hit to the head and clearly gets knocked unconscious for 5-10 seconds.

 

[rrlbees]

His body went limb, that was obvious. He was knocked out, it was very clear. He should not have returned imo. You clearly have a different opinion. Their are many other issues at play, not all of which can be diagnosed in a 2 minute time frame. The player always wants to play, the decision needs to be taken out of his hands. Especially with the fact he just had a concussion less then a month ago. This is a lifetime decision, not a regular season spur of the moment decision. Imo the coaches should have protected him. Would love to hear what Bambrewer would have to say if this happened to shy. Just coming back from a concussion less then a month ago and takes a viscous hit to the head and clearly gets knocked unconscious for 5-10 seconds.

If a team is following protocol, and I believe we are, the doctor clears a player to be able to go back in for almost all injuries. Shafer can't out ED back in without the doctor saying good to go.

 

[rrlbees]

His body went limb, that was obvious. He was knocked out, it was very clear. He should not have returned imo. You clearly have a different opinion. Their are many other issues at play, not all of which can be diagnosed in a 2 minute time frame. The player always wants to play, the decision needs to be taken out of his hands. Especially with the fact he just had a concussion less then a month ago. This is a lifetime decision, not a regular season spur of the moment decision. Imo the coaches should have protected him. Would love to hear what Bambrewer would have to say if this happened to shy. Just coming back from a concussion less then a month ago and takes a viscous hit to the head and clearly gets knocked unconscious for 5-10 seconds.

You added an edit. If he was in fact knocked out, and he says he wasn't, it wasn't 5-10 seconds. Maybe 2-3.

 

[RMH44]

His body went limb, that was obvious. He was knocked out, it was very clear. He should not have returned imo. You clearly have a different opinion. Their are many other issues at play, not all of which can be diagnosed in a 2 minute time frame. The player always wants to play, the decision needs to be taken out of his hands. Especially with the fact he just had a concussion less then a month ago. This is a lifetime decision, not a regular season spur of the moment decision. Imo the coaches should have protected him.

Would love to hear what Bambrewer would have to say if this happened to shy. Just coming back from a concussion less then a month ago and takes a viscous hit to the head and clearly gets knocked unconscious for 5-10 seconds.

It was never confirmed that ED suffered a concussion against CMU. As violent as that hit was he may have suffered some other type of "upper body" injury.

 

[CU44SE]

Regardless these are facts:

concussions don't always leave immediate signs and symptoms. They can take hours or even days to produce any symptoms.

Just one concussion makes you more susceptible to further concussions. He just had one less then a month ago and the way he takes hits I wouldn't be surprised if he had 1 or 2 in high school.

Lastly, being knocked unconscious is not normal. There are many other issues that could arise from that type of trauma then just a concussion such as a brain bleed, which again does not always immediately show signs or symptoms.

The safest thing for the kid and his future was to sit him. The player always wants to play. He will obviously deny that he was knocked out, because as I said players want to play and will say anything to get back on the field.

 

[CU44SE]

You added an edit. If he was in fact knocked out, and he says he wasn't, it wasn't 5-10 seconds. Maybe 2-3.

Come on, your talking semantics. Knocked unconscious is knocked unconscious regardless of if its 2 seconds or 10 seconds. Your telling me if that's your son after just having a head injury less then a month ago your okay with him going in after being knocked out and given a "2min" checkup? Iv seen the way you write about your kids, I highly doubt you would be okay with that.

 

[jekelish]

Come on, your talking semantics. Knocked unconscious is knocked unconscious regardless of if its 2 seconds or 10 seconds. Your telling me if that's your son after just having a head injury less then a month ago your okay with him going in after being knocked out and given a "2min" checkup? Iv seen the way you write about your kids, I highly doubt you would be okay with that.

You keep saying he was knocked unconscious. Dungey has said that he wasn't. So you're calling him a liar now, because of something you THINK you saw?