Program Enthusiasm?

[Cadillac]

I want to know if there's a correlation between the No Moral Victories crew, the people who talked a lot of trash all off season, and the people who bitchbitchbitched after wins against Toledo, Tulane, and Rhode Island.

Can someone get on that.

 

[nzm136]

I think people felt great about the program after the WVU game last year. They laid an egg the rest of the season. Here's hoping for the opposite to happen this time around!

Yeah. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. Time to see if it was a fluke, or a new team and a new system, and there isn't a bigger stage than a game verse USC in the Meadowlands!

 

[mscanlo]

people i talk to seem to be split in my opinion. some are more optimistic, others are saying "here we go again". i personally am optimistic, but holding reservations we could have a few things not break our way again and miss out on a bowl.

i dont know if it is just me being hard since i am a su fan, and don't care as much for other teams as i do for su, but our offense still seems to lack the fluidness of other teams i watch. maybe i am just being harsher because i am a su fan.

overall i look at the game and say if we didn't give away 28 pts on 4 dumb plays, su would have won and feel pretty good thinking about that. how good northwestern is against the rest of the competition is another question.

this will probably be a polarizing statement, and maybe generalizing too much, but i also find it is interesting to see how close the board to a meltdown mode until a few key board members expressed their optimistic outlook, and then suddenly the whole board is optimistic. seems like that happens a lot for both football and basketball

 

[ImperialOrange]

Much better to have lost 42-41 than 10-9.

My cousin is now an SU fan largly by my converting him and him moving to the souther tier. He is a season ticket holder and has been since Marrone took over and has been getting tired of me trying to tell him that we will be getting better. Down 35-13 he was texting me about how he was thinking about leaving and how it's the same old team. He hung in there and saw a hell of a comeback (although we fell short) and now thinks we could win 8+ games vs thinking 6 wins max before the game.

He doesn't follow the team in the offseason like I do but even he had his eyes opened to the improvement of our players (despite mental mistakes) and despite the L said it was "a hell of a game". I think his next trip to the Dome will be the first where he's actually excited to see the team play again vs just hoping we can hang around and grind out a win.

I'm hoping the team doesn't disappoint again like they did after WVU last year.

 

[SU2NASA]

I want to know if there's a correlation between the No Moral Victories crew, the people who talked a lot of trash all off season, and the people who bitchbitchbitched after wins against Toledo, Tulane, and Rhode Island.

Can someone get on that.

Never talked trash in the offseason other than to fans that came to this board from Sun Beast schools - Just cared about the wins against Tulane/Toledo/URI. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the year we finished 4-8. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[GoSU96]

NORTHWESTERN!

This isn't a top-flight BCS program we're talking about here.

We gave up 42 points, we struggle with discipline (like last year), our special teams are **** (like last year). Hey, the offense had a great game. We're 0-1 and it's not a fluke. Those things that if we didn't do we would have won? Well, we did do those things... again. And we lost.

If you want to compare to the teams of GERG, that's for Marrone's first or second season. GERG hasn't been here for four years.

(also, that 1998 Orange Bowl team didn't lose to a Big 10 team - only one played was the win at Michigan)

Opps, I'm getting old, meant Minnesota, and it was in '96 not '97 (which is what I thought, which would have made it the Fiesta bowl) so I screwed that up on multiple fronts.

But regardless, the point stands, dominated everywhere but the scoreboard. The fact they screwed up that much and were a couple of plays from winning, and not being down 42-20 says alot about how far the team has come.

Along with the L SU comes out of this game #1 in passing offense, T-1 for tackles for a loss, T-5 for sacks, T-10 total offense, T-11 for 3rd down conversion %, 6th in total long plays from scrimmage, 4th in long pass plays.

They ran 95 plays and gave up 5 tackles for a loss, they had 65 pass plays and gave up one sack. Nassibs one int was on freak tip ball, I don't think on the other 69 throws he made (including the PI's) he had a ball close to being intercepted, and he threw it to all areas of the field. There were 9 players that had at least one play of 10 or more yards.

If you don't think that is significantly different that what has proceeded it, think again.

 

[Cadillac]

Never talked trash in the offseason other than to fans that came to this board from Sun Beast schools - Just cared about the wins against Tulane/Toledo/URI. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the year we finished 4-8. I hope I'm wrong.

Nah, you're okay. Expected a Broyldsplosion from you if we won. He's basically if Paul Harris played football. Edit: In a good way.

 

[GoSU96]

And without those mistakes and the hole you found yourself, does Marrone go pass happy and ring up 600+ yards with a lead?

History says no.

Really, NWestern changed up it's coverage because of the long runs, passes to the TE's and backs, and the medium crossing routes. They started playing more single man on the wideouts without help and that's when they started attacking.

 

[SU2NASA]

Nah, you're okay. Expected a Broyldsplosion from you if we won. He's basically if Paul Harris played football. Edit: In a good way.

"We have the most talented player on this field and he's sitting on the sideline" -Me about 15 times.

 

[qdawgg]

That regardless, a loss is a loss.

"Oh man, if only we hadn't allowed that punt return for a touchdown, or late-hit that guy, or had that disastrous lateral pass, we totally would have won".

Yeah, but we did do those things, and they're not the first time.

There are no moral victories in losing to friggin' Northwestern.

Jesus, do you ever post anything that has to do with the original freakin' post. The OP asked whether people noticed any increased enthusiasm from people they know. What does your reply have to do with the original question. If you have stupid to write, start a new damn thread. Good lord.

 

[Scooch]

Unfortunately, this sentiment/mentality is an unfavorable and typical trait of your/today's generation...I want/got to have it all right now...

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, those baby boomers are DEFINITELY not into instant gratification.

Nor are they narcisstic.

:bang:

 

[GoSU96]

"We have the most talented player on this field and he's sitting on the sideline" -Me about 15 times.

That's very TBD. What there is now is a three or four deep of equivalently skilled players who bring different skills sets to the table. There are no obvious NFL players, but a bunch of decent D-1 players. If you can't beat 'em with quality, beat 'em with quantity, come at them in waves. Very fast tempo, a lot of snaps, keep guys fresh, and wear the opponent down. What Broyld brings is different, and he can be a force.

Same goes with the defense. Eventually 22 kids will play in regular rotation. Saturday 4 DE's, 3 DT's, 6 LB's, 3 Safeties, and 3 Corners rotated in. I expect to see Morgan and Desir in the regular mix sooner than later and as the paper noted the three DT transfers are on the way to getting more snaps as well.

 

[tipphill]

i remain very guarded ----not impressed by the loss---some good things but not that dramatic------against a very mediocre to sub par team

 

[SoBristol]

I think people felt great about the program after the WVU game last year. They laid an egg the rest of the season. Here's hoping for the opposite to happen this time around!

Good point. Also felt very good in 2009 after beating NW in the Dome in a high scoring game, pulling out the win on a last second FG. That NW team recovered to go 8-4, before losing to Auburn in the Outback Bowl. That SU team, which played Minn tough earlier, turned in a 4-8 season.
We can be optimistic that this team will get better, as Lemon & Pugh and a few others get into the act. But we won't know for sure until we see how we stack up in a couple of weeks against Minn then Pitt.

 

[javadoc]

i remain very guarded ----not impressed by the loss---some good things but not that dramatic------against a very mediocre to sub par team

Never satisfied? After three years of not being able to muster a good offense, even against mediocre to sub-par teams, we get a show like that and some people are still kvetching. Our program has got to walk before it runs again.

 

[GoSU96]

i remain very guarded ----not impressed by the loss---some good things but not that dramatic------against a very mediocre to sub par team

You do that.

Teams vary from year to year, and I have no idea where Nwestern end up this year, but it is NOT a very mediocre to sub par PROGRAM.

 

[tipphill]

never satisfied with a loss after 596 yds and 21 pt give away---encouraged by the game but satisfied,no.specials and mental errors concern me, as it does others.the best thing i see at least for now is team cohesiveness at this point. if there is a moral victory here, i don't see it and not interested in one against nw. i'll see saturday against usc where we really stand in terms of progress, moral victories and the like. i will be at the game with 6 other family members cheering the orange on, regardless of my biased impression

 

[tipphill]

The biggest play of the game which was a fluke, and a 1ooo-1 chance was the int which bounced off sales fingertips right into a northwestern players hands running at full speed. If the pass hits the ground, or goes out of bounds we score and they don't have a touchdown. Would have been 16-7 or 20-7 and an entirely different game.

the biggest play other than the lateral left on the ground was not going for it on 4th and 2 from the 6yd in the first possesion

 

[IthacaBarrel]

the biggest play other than the lateral left on the ground was not going for it on 4th and 2 from the 6yd in the first possesion

Your a genius aren't you... Would of could of should of

 

[tipphill]

a little hostile this am? i said it at the time,in my seat,at the dome. you must be one of those folks who have animosity for those that don't exactly see it your way. you like to fish as well

 

[OrangeMojo]

the biggest play other than the lateral left on the ground was not going for it on 4th and 2 from the 6yd in the first possesion

oh good lord

 

[SoBristol]

the biggest play other than the lateral left on the ground was not going for it on 4th and 2 from the 6yd in the first possesion

Can't buy that -- OK call to take the points at that stage.
Might have a long list of more important plays (lateral, interception, punt plays . . .), but now we move on.
Take the many pluses out of this game (newbies on the OL who held up; Kobena & Clark making a few plays; MPB; Nassib and tempo), clean up a few miscues (punt coverage), get Pugh & Lemon back, and we have a promising team.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

a little hostile this am? i said it at the time,in my seat,at the dome. you must be one of those folks who have animosity for those that don't exactly see it your way. you like to fish as well

No, I just think you are ACTING like a douchebag. Posting as if 4th and 2 from the 6 to go for a field goal on the first possesion is entirely out of the question. Absolute posts as if there is no rationalization to see the coaches decision making process at that point are ridiculous. How do you know the outcome? It's absurd and it wasn't anywhere near the biggest play of the game.

 

[tipphill]

No, I just think you are ACTING like a douchebag. Posting as if 4th and 2 from the 6 to go for a field goal on the first possesion is entirely out of the question. Absolute posts as if there is no rationalization to see the coaches decision making process at that point are ridiculous. How do you know the outcome? It's absurd and it wasn't anywhere near the biggest play of the game.

exactly---i do not know the outcome which includes we may make it and even score. also makes a statement to the team that he has the confidence to try it, and confidence in the d if he does not make it.---i would agree that against usc, i would take the points. nw was not usc. as for douchebag, well ...i believe that fits the profile for someone that resorts to name calling on forum for which people express opinions.i never said i didn;t see marrones rationale for it, i just see a bigger upside by going for it EVEN if we did not get it

 

[PoppyHart]

You do that.

Teams vary from year to year, and I have no idea where Nwestern end up this year, but it is NOT a very mediocre to sub par PROGRAM.

How far back do you go to judge a program? You realize that historically they are not very mediocre to sub par, but rather one of the very worst?