QB1: Angeli

[phil77]

I have no inside information and no horse in the race, but the first moment the starter struggles this board will be crying for the backup despite having no insight to how the race for qb1 was decided.

It was going to be like that anyway, to be fair. It is always like that.

 

[cusefan88]

My sense is that Rickie Collins has overall more raw talent. Better arm strength, running, etc. I know people don't love Axe but on his podcast his opinion was that he thinks Brown wants Collins to earn the job.

 

[bnoro]

Some where I heard, maybe it was the ACC road trip, that Ricky was the better passer.

The spirals look tighter whenever they've posted vids from camp.

 

[wiseman3]

I think they both play the first 3 weeks and whoever looks best after that will be the starter. Then the offense should be tailored to their skill set.

Please no. The only reason both of them should play vs. Tennessee is if one of them is struggling mightily. Rotating QBs would be awful for our chances of creating any rhythm in the game.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Please no. The only reason both of them should play vs. Tennessee is if one of them is struggling mightily. Rotating QBs would be awful for our chances of creating any rhythm in the game.

I agree it's certainly not ideal. They are both unproven with very little game experience if any and practice doesn't tell you everything. Whoever starts in the first game in Atlanta vs Tenn will be under the gun. I don't expect whoever starts to look all that good from the jump. Thus, QB #2 goes in for the 2nd half and they spilt duties for a couple games and come game #4 we have our starter. Hopefully, one of them steps up and we have a clear #1

Lets face it whoever starts first as soon as he has a rough patch everybody will be calling for the back up. I think you should look at both in games unless whoever starts plays lights out from the start which I find highly unlikely.

Come week #4 we need a clear starter and we need to be 2-1

 

[orangenauburn]

I think the staff wants it to be Collins, and they want him to push himself to reach his potential.

They are helping push him by bringing in Angeli who the staff probably would be comfortable with running the show if Rickie didn't meet their expectations.

That's my belief.

 

[kcsu]

Some where I heard, maybe it was the ACC road trip, that Ricky was the better passer.

stronger arm which matters but not as much as putting the team into the correct plays and making the correct reads. This team is all about getting the ball to playmakers in space and that is all about making the correct reads. Whichever QB does that and protects the ball is going to start.

 

[Cuse House]

Just want the best player on the field, don’t care who it is.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I think the staff wants it to be Collins, and they want him to push himself to reach his potential.

They are helping push him by bringing in Angeli who the staff probably would be comfortable with running the show if Rickie didn't meet their expectations.

That's my belief.

If Angeli can’t start for ND, how can he possibly start for SU?

 

[23Zone]

I think the staff wants it to be Collins, and they want him to push himself to reach his potential.

They are helping push him by bringing in Angeli who the staff probably would be comfortable with running the show if Rickie didn't meet their expectations.

That's my belief.

I think the staff simply wants to win and have the QB who gives them the best chance of that be the starter. There's no favorites

 

[Strathless]

I agree it's certainly not ideal. They are both unproven with very little game experience if any and practice doesn't tell you everything. Whoever starts in the first game in Atlanta vs Tenn will be under the gun. I don't expect whoever starts to look all that good from the jump. Thus, QB #2 goes in for the 2nd half and they spilt duties for a couple games and come game #4 we have our starter. Hopefully, one of them steps up and we have a clear #1

Lets face it whoever starts first as soon as he has a rough patch everybody will be calling for the back up. I think you should look at both in games unless whoever starts plays lights out from the start which I find highly unlikely.

Come week #4 we need a clear starter and we need to be 2-1

I am interested to see how much leash the coaching staff will give the eventual starter. Based on his statements last year and in the spring, Fran places a premium on the QB assuming a leadership role. I think they’re more inclined to let whoever is out there as QB1 encounter some adversity (if it comes) in the Tennessee game and give him a chance overcome it before he gets the hook. Either they succeed and get a firm grasp on the job, or we’re likely to see both Collins and Agneli against UConn and Colgate before heading to Clemson.

No plan to split time and no penciling in an L in Atlanta. Tennessee is a winnable game and you don’t gameplan to win by assuming you’re going to play QB carousel.

 

[djorange1989]

I think the staff simply wants to win and have the QB who gives them the best chance of that be the starter. There's no favorites

Exactly. The staff wants this to be a hard decision, meaning they want both QBs to be excellent. They don’t care who is more excellent

 

[capeorange]

stronger arm which matters but not as much as putting the team into the correct plays and making the correct reads. This team is all about getting the ball to playmakers in space and that is all about making the correct reads. Whichever QB does that and protects the ball is going to start.

Good points. Who's your best guess?

 

[kcsu]

Good points. Who's your best guess?

Truly a toss up from what i see. One thing that i like is that each of them is well liked by the team.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Exactly. The staff wants this to be a hard decision, meaning they want both QBs to be excellent. They don’t care who is more excellent

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh they probably care a little.

 

[djorange1989]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh they probably care a little.

NONE!! ZERO!! ZERO I SAY!!

 

[DomeHolmes]

I am interested to see how much leash the coaching staff will give the eventual starter. Based on his statements last year and in the spring, Fran places a premium on the QB assuming a leadership role. I think they’re more inclined to let whoever is out there as QB1 encounter some adversity (if it comes) in the Tennessee game and give him a chance overcome it before he gets the hook. Either they succeed and get a firm grasp on the job, or we’re likely to see both Collins and Agneli against UConn and Colgate before heading to Clemson.

No plan to split time and no penciling in an L in Atlanta. Tennessee is a winnable game and you don’t gameplan to win by assuming you’re going to play QB carousel.

I think no matter what we’re likely to see both quarterbacks play at least two of the first three games . Colgate, plus if the starter has problems vs Tennessee, or we blowout vs Yukon.

IMO, about your last sentence, I would respectfully disagree. You should expect the best but prepare for the worst. If we make a quarterback change because it’s not going well, it does not mean that we didnt game plan to win. It simply means things are not going well and you make a change if you think it’s going to help the team.

Dungey was one of the great quarterbacks in Syracuse history. He was not getting it done against North Carolina and DeVito came in and won the game. Dungey was proven commodity, but having a terrible game. It was a good move by Dino.

Then Dungey was given a chance to start again vs a ranked NCST team and balled out. He knew starting was not guaranteed but earned every day.

Conversely, versus Notre Dame, DeVito was so bad that if we had any anyone with a pulse, we should’ve put them in. If either starter has a performance like Devito had versus Notre Dame (which could happen) they should not be in for more than one series into the second quarter. Devito was an NFL guy, but a deer in headlights vs a superior defense. We don’t know how either will respond, Especially if the O line is porous.

In my opinion, as other posters have said, the person who wins the job may not necessarily win it in camp, but the person who proves in a REAL GAME that they can read the defense, get the ball out early and does not turn it over will be the eventual starter.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I think no matter what we’re likely to see both quarterbacks play at least two of the first three games . Colgate, plus if the starter has problems vs Tennessee, or we blowout vs Yukon.

IMO, about your last sentence, I would respectfully disagree. You should expect the best but prepare for the worst. If we make a quarterback change because it’s not going well, it does not mean that we didnt game plan to win. It simply means things are not going well and you make a change if you think it’s going to help the team.

Dungey was one of the great quarterbacks in Syracuse history. He was not getting it done against North Carolina and DeVito came in and won the game. Dungey was proven commodity, but having a terrible game. It was a good move by Dino.

Then Dungey was given a chance to start again vs a ranked NCST team and balled out. He knew starting was not guaranteed but earned every day.

Conversely, versus Notre Dame, DeVito was so bad that if we had any anyone with a pulse, we should’ve put them in. If either starter has a performance like Devito had versus Notre Dame (which could happen) they should not be in for more than one series into the second quarter. Devito was an NFL guy, but a deer in headlights vs a superior defense. We don’t know how either will respond, Especially if the O line is porous.

In my opinion, as other posters have said, the person who wins the job may not necessarily win it in camp, but the person who proves in a REAL GAME that they can read the defense, get the ball out early and does not turn it over will be the eventual starter.

I mean... in fairness to Tommy Cutlets (as he would later be known) that Notre Dame defense was nasty and that ND team played with a major edge that season. They came into that game feeling a bit disrespected, wanted to stuff us in a locker, and by golly, they did.

 

[kcsu]

I think no matter what we’re likely to see both quarterbacks play at least two of the first three games . Colgate, plus if the starter has problems vs Tennessee, or we blowout vs Yukon.

IMO, about your last sentence, I would respectfully disagree. You should expect the best but prepare for the worst. If we make a quarterback change because it’s not going well, it does not mean that we didnt game plan to win. It simply means things are not going well and you make a change if you think it’s going to help the team.

Dungey was one of the great quarterbacks in Syracuse history. He was not getting it done against North Carolina and DeVito came in and won the game. Dungey was proven commodity, but having a terrible game. It was a good move by Dino.

Then Dungey was given a chance to start again vs a ranked NCST team and balled out. He knew starting was not guaranteed but earned every day.

Conversely, versus Notre Dame, DeVito was so bad that if we had any anyone with a pulse, we should’ve put them in. If either starter has a performance like Devito had versus Notre Dame (which could happen) they should not be in for more than one series into the second quarter. Devito was an NFL guy, but a deer in headlights vs a superior defense. We don’t know how either will respond, Especially if the O line is porous.

In my opinion, as other posters have said, the person who wins the job may not necessarily win it in camp, but the person who proves in a REAL GAME that they can read the defense, get the ball out early and does not turn it over will be the eventual starter.

Excellent post. At this point if the staff doesn't have a clear cut number 1 they most definitely will need to see each of these guys in real games. It's not the best situation but it's most likely what is going to happen unless the starter lights it up against the Vols

 

[rocklloyd]

Who can throw a tighter spiral? To my untrained eye, Kyle was unmatched in this area

 

[Ttk.gman2]

From the reports I been listening to and reading it seems like Rickie is the better passer and has the stronger arm. I have seen Steve throw some greats balls in clips as well. I think Rickie gives us the way higher ceiling than Steve . Better runner stronger arm plus more eligibility for the long run. So that’s my 2 cents.

 

[Newhouser]

I wonder what is a bigger emphasis for the coaches. Check downs, the simple throws, best deep thrower, etc.

I know all facets matter but it's interesting to see in a reportedly tight race which attribute is most desired by the staff.

 

[FrancoPizza]

stronger arm which matters but not as much as putting the team into the correct plays and making the correct reads. This team is all about getting the ball to playmakers in space and that is all about making the correct reads. Whichever QB does that and protects the ball is going to start.

And this is where some rumors said that Collins was struggling with the reads in the spring. I misspoke when I said it was the playbook. He knows the plays. It was about making the right decision based on what the defense is doing, consistently, that a couple insiders had some concerns. No question Rickie is the more athletic option but there is a lot that goes into making plays and moving the football. That goes back to the spring so not sure if he has made strides in camp. I have no preference just want the best man to win the job.

 

[721Comstock]

Who can throw a tighter spiral? To my untrained eye, Kyle was unmatched in this area

Kyle is unmatched in that area even amongst NFL QB’s.

IIRC they did a detailed breakdown of all his QB skills, and he was elite in his ability to “spin it”.

 

[RF2044]

I think the staff wants it to be Collins, and they want him to push himself to reach his potential.

They are helping push him by bringing in Angeli who the staff probably would be comfortable with running the show if Rickie didn't meet their expectations.

That's my belief.

I don't agree with much of that.

Angeli strongly considered transferring her last year, due to the Nunzio connection, but we opted to go for McCord [which was the right decision, obviously].

This year, it isn't a surprise that Angeli both was pursued by us and opted to come here -- especially after the video game numbers McCord put up.

I don't think he was brought in just to "push" Collins. And I don't think they brought him in as insurance.

From what I gather, Angeli has all of the tools, and is capable of producing in a big way in our system.

If Collins beats him out -- then that's great, because it means that he can, too. But I expect Angeli to pull away in this competition.