Quad 1 win

[Cuseball]

That’s the type of win that will last all season ling. Amazing the type of improvement Jimmy can develop after a tough beginning. Match that win with Indiana and you are building a real good foundation of quality wins.

Cuse!

 

[NineOneSeven]

Hope it stands. FSU looked awful. I take any win especially on the road and especially against that name, but wow. Almost shocking how many bad possessions they had.

 

[Cuseball]

Hope it stands. FSU looked awful. I take any win especially on the road and especially against that name, but wow. Almost shocking how many bad possessions they had.

Yeah it will stand. FSU would need need to drop by quite a lot if that became quad 2. We played good defense which helped a bit

 

[HoustonCuse]

Seems like Indiana was and will be pretty solid. Hopefully that win has legs for us.

 

[Finwad32]

Another thing that has to be considered is how many new players are on the floor. These are good wins, as you’ve pointed out.

To get them with 5 of your 8 rotational players having either never played a game for Syracuse prior to this season, or to have been non-contributors last season (Anselem) in the first 10 games is a credit.

Basketball is a game of rhythm and flow. And playing with more than 50% of your team never having been in the band before, well, it simply takes time to develop that chemistry.

Really interested to see how we continue to grow. I think we’re doing a really solid job thus far.

 

[Nicknack]

Hope it stands. FSU looked awful. I take any win especially on the road and especially against that name, but wow. Almost shocking how many bad possessions they had.

I agree, FSU looked beyond bad last night. Colgate should have booked a trip down to Tallahassee this year. That said, I'm rooting for them because this could end up being a great win if they don't implode.

 

[Consigliere]

Might be tougher for the Colgate loss to avoid dropping to a Q4.

 

[RF2044]

Hope it stands. FSU looked awful. I take any win especially on the road and especially against that name, but wow. Almost shocking how many bad possessions they had.

Agreed - they are terrible. That's why it was so discouraging when we fell behind by double digits.

I'll take any road win we can get, however.

 

[AlaskaSU]

It is a likely quad 2 win.

 

[Orangezoo]

FSU will be a quad 1 win. They will take a little time but will get rolling. Traditionally it's early season you want to get them.

With this win and the Indiana win we have arguably the best duo of wins of any ACC team absent Duke so far this season.

We also have arguably the worst loss in the league as well depending on how Colgate finishes their season.


I have no expectations in respect to the Nova game other than they will likely take and make a lot of 3s. If we were somehow able to pull that upset and then beat the Hoyas, Lehigh and Cornell I expect we are ranked at 9-3 with great momentum heading into conference play. Even with a loss to Nova and going 8-4 we are in a good position entering conference play to where we can play our way into a strong position tourney wise early. We very realistically could start out 7-0, 7-1 or 8-0 in ACC play. Even 6-2 is a nice start and would have us being relevant in the national picture and ahead of the bubble.

The opportunity is definitely there. So far we have gotten the job done vs IU and at FSU after a really shaky start. We have done this without Buddy or Cole's outside shot really falling much.

 

[jncuse]

That’s the type of win that will last all season ling. Amazing the type of improvement Jimmy can develop after a tough beginning. Match that win with Indiana and you are building a real good foundation of quality wins.

Cuse!

My concern is if this really end up a quad 1 win. Florida St has literally accomplished nothing this year. They have not beat at a top 100 KP team. They have played 3 top 100 KP teams and loss everytime - handily to Florida, Purdue and now to a "decent" team at home. They were also recently stretched to overtime by mighty Boston University.

This is a team that might only be a .500 team in the ACC.

A Quad 1 road win is top 70 (top 75?) and Florida St may threaten the bottom of that. Any team that is around .500 in the ACC this year will have a very hard time being top 75 in the NET. That is what happens when your conference sucks OOC.

But its a road win which is a good thing. And you can only beat who you are presented with.

 

[jncuse]

Yeah it will stand. FSU would need need to drop by quite a lot if that became quad 2. We played good defense which helped a bit

I don't understand what basis you have to claim with certainty that it will stand. What have they done this year. No top 100 wins, 3 losses (2 handily) to the good or decent teams it has faced. And the Boston University OT win is the most concerning. This team might be a .500 team or 11-9 team in the ACC. In years past that gets you net top 75. Not this year in the ACC because of how poorly the conference has performed.

Are you highly confident that Florida St gets to 12-8 in the ACC... that is likely what is needed to get to net top 75 for them.

 

[Sherman20]

That’s the type of win that will last all season ling. Amazing the type of improvement Jimmy can develop after a tough beginning. Match that win with Indiana and you are building a real good foundation of quality wins.

Cuse!

Indiana could be a Quad 1 win, too, if they finish in the top 30 of the NET.

 

[Cusefan0307]

My concern is if this really end up a quad 1 win. Florida St has literally accomplished nothing this year. They have not beat at a top 100 KP team. They have played 3 top 100 KP teams and loss everytime - handily to Florida, Purdue and now to a "decent" team at home. They were also recently stretched to overtime by mighty Boston University.

This is a team that might only be a .500 team in the ACC.

A Quad 1 road win is top 70 (top 75?) and Florida St may threaten the bottom of that. Any team that is around .500 in the ACC this year will have a very hard time being top 75 in the NET. That is what happens when your conference sucks OOC.

But its a road win which is a good thing. And you can only beat who you are presented with.

They just need to stay in the top 75.

Indiana needs to be in the top 30.

We have no idea what the NET will say, but right now FSU looks safe.

 

[pearl31]

highly doubt FSU drops below 75 in NET - I mean, sure, possible, but not likely

 

[Sherman20]

I don't understand what basis you have to claim with certainty that it will stand. What have they done this year. No top 100 wins, 3 losses (2 handily) to the good or decent teams it has faced. And the Boston University OT win is the most concerning. This team might be a .500 team or 11-9 team in the ACC. In years past that gets you net top 75. Not this year in the ACC because of how poorly the conference has performed.

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Are you highly confident that Florida St gets to 12-8 in the ACC... that is likely what is needed to get to net top 75 for them.

A road win against a top 75 team is q1. Florida State will be in the top 75.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Indiana looked good yesterday too fwiw. Bart Torvik has them ranked 20th and FSU 36.

 

[jncuse]

They just need to stay in the top 75.

Indiana needs to be in the top 30.

We have no idea what the NET will say, but right now FSU looks safe.

We have a pretty good idea what the NET will say or do to ACC teams.

I have been studying OOC conference records in November and December for a number of years now and how they will impact things come Selection Sunday. The RPI / NET has a multiplying factor that crushes teams in the the fifth or sixth best conferences in OOC, especially if the GAP is large between #6 and the top 4. Which it is large in terms of conference RPI. Once the SEC, BIG, BE, B12 start to play each other in January they all boost each others NET because they are at a better starting point, and its the opposite for the ACC and the B12.

It is actually quite predictable by this point -- not which specific teams will do well, but which conference's middle teams (whomever they may be) will not get support for the tourney.

If Florida St goes 12-8 top 75 is not an issue. If its less than that it could well be an issue.

Could Florida St go 12-8 in the ACC. Its a decent possibility based on their history. But there are certainly some concerns that it will not happen.

 

[jncuse]

A road win against a top 75 team is q1. Florida State will be in the top 75.

So you are saying they will go 12-8 in the ACC no problem then?

I'm not saying its not a possibility. But nothing they have done indicates its a high probability.

EDITED - "Possibility" to "High Probability"... a typo as my mind was working differently than my fingers!

 

[Day2]

About Colgate…

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They are ranked 30th in NET right now, thanks to the win over us and overall SOS. Remember, last year they didn’t play any non-conference games until the tournament. Considering they returned just about everyone, they should do well in the Patriot. They also have a chance for some decent road wins coming up against Pitt, SJU, Monmouth, and Vermont.

UVA losing to Navy will be a worse loss than us losing to Colgate.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We have a pretty good idea what the NET will say or do to ACC teams.

I have been studying OOC conference records in November and December for a number of years now and how they will impact things come Selection Sunday. The RPI / NET has a multiplying factor that crushes teams in the the fifth or sixth best conferences in OOC, especially if the GAP is large between #6 and the top 4. Which it is large in terms of conference RPI. Once the SEC, BIG, BE, B12 start to play each other in January they all boost each others NET because they are at a better starting point, and its the opposite for the ACC and the B12.

It is actually quite predictable by this point -- not which specific teams will do well, but which conference's middle teams (whomever they may be) will not get support for the tourney.

If Florida St goes 12-8 top 75 is not an issue. If its less than that it could well be an issue.

Could Florida St go 12-8 in the ACC. Its a decent possibility based on their history. But there are certainly some concerns that it will not happen.

I mean I watch a lot of hoops. If we finish 2nd in the ACC I wouldn’t be surprised. I hope we win Tuesday because this place continues to find ways to out chicken little itself even after wins.


I agree the ACC is not good. We can win 13 plus ACC games this year.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Do you expect them to go 12-8 in conference?

How does tying conference record to Net Work? They could go 11-9 in the ACC and KP would still have them ranked where they are now at 35.

 

[Day2]

About Colgate…

College Basketball Rankings 2023-24 - NET

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They are ranked 30th in NET right now, thanks to the win over us and overall SOS. Remember, last year they didn’t play any non-conference games until the tournament. Considering they returned just about everyone, they should do well in the Patriot. They also have a chance for some decent road wins coming up against Pitt, SJU, Monmouth, and Vermont.

UVA losing to Navy will be a worse loss than us losing to Colgate.

Hang on, these NET rankings may still be for last season, despite CBS stating they were updated yesterday. I figured these were estimates based on the formula. Are any outlets doing that right now?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Hang on, these NET rankings may still be for last season, despite CBS stating they were updated yesterday. I figured these were estimates based on the formula. Are any outlets doing that right now?

I don’t think they are out until January.

 

[jncuse]

highly doubt FSU drops below 75 in NET - I mean, sure, possible, but not likely

So you have very high confidence they are going 12-8 in the ACC?

I'm not saying its not possible. I think its more likely than not. So if you told asked me to bet on even odds whether FSU ends up top 75, I would take the bet that they will.

But its certainly not in the "highly doubt" category for me.