RB situation

[sufandu]

A lot of the speculation about why Howard is behind Strickland and Neal at this point is that he does not yet have the nuances of the position in this offense. What I would like to see is him or Pierre in the game anytime we're in that jumbo package that we've seen. I think we've run out of it everytime and the other team knows we're running everytime we're in it. If we're going to try to impose our will on a defense with a formation/play that is predetemined, let's get the most physically gifted player for that task on the field.

Of course now that I've said that, watch us come out in that personel grouping, then spread out in shotgun and throw to Elmore.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

A lot of the speculation about why Howard is behind Strickland and Neal at this point is that he does not yet have the nuances of the position in this offense. What I would like to see is him or Pierre in the game anytime we're in that jumbo package that we've seen. I think we've run out of it everytime and the other team knows we're running everytime we're in it. If we're going to try to impose oir will on a defense with a formation/play that is predetemined, let's get the most physically gifted player for that task on the field.

Of course now that I've said that, watch us come out in that personel grouping, then spread out in shotgun and throw to Elmore.

Strickland does have 5 TDs on the season.

 

[orangezen]

Lol. Question: do you think FSUs secondary would be the only in the nation to run down Howard

its one thing to catch up to him .. its another to tackle him down

 

[sufandu]

Strickland does have 5 TDs on the season.

Two questions. How many rushing attempts does he have inside the 5? How many of those touchdowns would not have been, if Howard were carrying the ball?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Two questions. How many rushing attempts does he have inside the 5? How many of those touchdowns would not have been, if Howard were carrying the ball?

I don't know. We can't know. The TDs happened though. They're real.

 

[sufandu]

I don't know. We can't know. The TDs happened though. They're real.

Sure. I'm just not sure what your point was. A serviceable RB scoring TDs doesn't mean someone else couldn't be better in the same situation. That last one Strickland had against FSU was probably the best I've seen with him breaking some arm tackles. The offensive line deserves a lot of credit for all them since they either got good push close to the goal line or opened up good holes. I haven't seen him run over someone, juke someone, or cut back to make something out nothing on any of those TDs. He has been serviceable and ran through the holes that were provided. Given the number of times we've been sruffed on the goal line so far this year, I wonder if Howard's ability would've translated better to those situations when it's a definite running play with the QB lining up under center where I'm guessing the RB isn't required to make line calls.

 

[SmilinBob]

Here's what is obvious. 2nd and 5/4/3/2 is a heck of a lot better than 2nd and 8/9/10. The guy that is doing the first part starts and plays more.

If they are doing more passing plays then Strickland is a solid back to have but on a draw or the like he just can not continue to get 3 yards or less, it just is not an effective way of moving the ball.

That said, vs Clemson, Strickland is going to be needed for his calls, blocking and pass receiving. I see Babers using the backs per diem on their value for each series.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I haven't seen him run over someone, juke someone, or cut back to make something out nothing on any of those TDs.

He bowled over a tackler on one of his WMU TDs, and he absolutely had some moves and shed tacklers on his TD against FSU. You could argue the unexpected handoff TD against Wagner required him to cut back.

Sure, we want to see more of that from him, I'm not disputing that. We can't say it doesn't happen though.

 

[sufandu]

He bowled over a tackler on one of his WMU TDs, and he absolutely had some moves and shed tacklers on his TD against FSU. You could argue the unexpected handoff TD against Wagner required him to cut back.

Sure, we want to see more of that from him, I'm not disputing that. We can't say it doesn't happen though.

I'm not sure why an expression that one player may be better at something than another player gets interpreted as the other player sucks. Strickland isn't incapable as a RB, but, if people can't see that Howard, and Neal for that matter, is more gifted as a ball carrier, I don't know what they're looking at. Has Strickland broken some tackles and had some physical runs? Sure, from time to time. Does he often get taken down more easily that a P5 RB on a team trying to break into 25 should be? I think so. I think Dino does too. If he didn't, Howard wouldn't have the carries he's had.

Howard is being groomed to be the guy. The faster he picks up the non-running nuances of the position, the faster that will happen and the better our offense will be.

 

[SUbear]

no way is Howard near 4.4. Probably more like 4.65. And that's ok. It's also ok that he was caught from behind. Lots of running backs get caught from behind by fast secondary kids.

You would be incorrect, he has run 4.4 at camp, now whether he runs that every time is something different but then that is true for everyone. He has shown he is capable of that. Do not beleive it, look it up yourself.
Players with his mass usually slow drastically after that burst and that is why stamina or ability to maintain speed at longer distance is his issue not initial burst speed.
That speed is also probably not in football gear, but that is how all players are usually measured so is a valid stat.

 

[PhatOrange]

You would be incorrect, he has run 4.4 at camp, now whether he runs that every time is something different but then that is true for everyone. He has shown he is capable of that. Do not beleive it, look it up yourself.

look it up where?

 

[rrlbees]

Sure. I'm just not sure what your point was. A serviceable RB scoring TDs doesn't mean someone else couldn't be better in the same situation. That last one Strickland had against FSU was probably the best I've seen with him breaking some arm tackles. The offensive line deserves a lot of credit for all them since they either got good push close to the goal line or opened up good holes. I haven't seen him run over someone, juke someone, or cut back to make something out nothing on any of those TDs. He has been serviceable and ran through the holes that were provided. Given the number of times we've been sruffed on the goal line so far this year, I wonder if Howard's ability would've translated better to those situations when it's a definite running play with the QB lining up under center where I'm guessing the RB isn't required to make line calls.

for 4 years he has run over guys. he gets a extra yard often. his toughness is a strong point and why he gets many short yardage carries.

 

[Orangello]

How about a TE throw back from the jumbo set. Edsall would surely remember that play and have a brain fart after we scored.

 

[SUbear]

look it up where?

I found it with a simple search on u know where.

 

[leftytg]

I found it with a simple search on u know where.

I ran that search and found a r-i-v-a-l-s article from he self reported running a 4.4 as a sophomore. I hope you aren't pinning your hopes on that?

His ESPN profile lists him as running a 4.55, which seems about right (and is probably best case, not game speed).

For context, this year's NFL combine had exactly one player run a sub 4.4 40 - Nyheim Hines from NC State with a 4.38. Saquon Barkley ran a 4.4. Do you think Howard is as fast as Saquon Barkley?
Guice, from LSU, ran a 4.49.

Only 5 players total ran a sub 4.50.

Those guys train for months to maximize every hundredth of a second at the combine.

Let me be direct - it is literally impossible that Jarveon Howard runs a 4.4 40 yard dash. And you know what? That is 100% A-OK. He brings a lot to the table. He's just not one of the very, very few who run a 4.4 40 at 210+ pounds.

 

[SUbear]

And the beautiful thing is I also found Abdul Adams also has run 4.4 times. I salivate that next year we will have not one but two guys with both speed and ability. Almost forgot about Moe, he is not chopped liver either. so three guys, I do not know if we have ever had that kind of depth at the RB position.

 

[SUbear]

I ran that search and found a r-i-v-a-l-s article from he self reported running a 4.4 as a sophomore. I hope you aren't pinning your hopes on that?

His ESPN profile lists him as running a 4.55, which seems about right (and is probably best case, not game speed).

For context, this year's NFL combine had exactly one player run a sub 4.4 40 - Nyheim Hines from NC State with a 4.38. Saquon Barkley ran a 4.4. Do you think Howard is as fast as Saquon Barkley?
Guice, from LSU, ran a 4.49.

Only 5 players total ran a sub 4.50.

Those guys train for months to maximize every hundredth of a second at the combine.

Let me be direct - it is literally impossible that Jarveon Howard runs a 4.4 40 yard dash. And you know what? That is 100% A-OK. He brings a lot to the table. He's just not one of the very, very few who run a 4.4 40 at 210+ pounds.

Believe what you want, but he is faster at that distance than you think.

 

[sufandu]

for 4 years he has run over guys. he gets a extra yard often. his toughness is a strong point and why he gets many short yardage carries.

Falling forward for an extra yard and breaking tackles are two different things. He has been a loyal, hard working, selfless player for us for 4 years but he is not a great runner. If he was, he would be getting more carries now. Look at today's article about Howard. Dino said he does not want to rotate RBs. He wants one guy that can do it all. It has been assumed that Strickland has been the best at making line calls, pass protecting, etc. If he was also the best runner, Dino would have no reason to play anyone else, except to rest him now and then.

 

[JoeSU]

for 4 years he has run over guys. he gets a extra yard often. his toughness is a strong point and why he gets many short yardage carries.

He is also a good receiver.

 

[leftytg]

Believe what you want, but he is faster at that distance than you think.

facts are hard, I understand.

He's a good player with a bright future. I'm looking forward to watching it unfold.

 

[Pearl309]

I ran that search and found a r-i-v-a-l-s article from he self reported running a 4.4 as a sophomore. I hope you aren't pinning your hopes on that?

His ESPN profile lists him as running a 4.55, which seems about right (and is probably best case, not game speed).

For context, this year's NFL combine had exactly one player run a sub 4.4 40 - Nyheim Hines from NC State with a 4.38. Saquon Barkley ran a 4.4. Do you think Howard is as fast as Saquon Barkley?
Guice, from LSU, ran a 4.49.

Only 5 players total ran a sub 4.50.

Those guys train for months to maximize every hundredth of a second at the combine.

Let me be direct - it is literally impossible that Jarveon Howard runs a 4.4 40 yard dash. And you know what? That is 100% A-OK. He brings a lot to the table. He's just not one of the very, very few who run a 4.4 40 at 210+ pounds.

Lol
Like 95% of skill position recruits say they run a 4.4
And 99% of them dont

 

[PhatOrange]

I found it with a simple search on u know where.

I thought you might have something tangible, or verified. not self reported. he's nowhere near 4.4

 

[rrlbees]

Falling forward for an extra yard and breaking tackles are two different things. He has been a loyal, hard working, selfless player for us for 4 years but he is not a great runner. If he was, he would be getting more carries now. Look at today's article about Howard. Dino said he does not want to rotate RBs. He wants one guy that can do it all. It has been assumed that Strickland has been the best at making line calls, pass protecting, etc. If he was also the best runner, Dino would have no reason to play anyone else, except to rest him now and then.

he has been a starter (or co-starter) for 3 years and as a true freshman played in every game. he must be doing something right.

 

[Trueblue25]

Strickland’s not D. Carter but wow a lot of what he does do right (which is a lot) goes largely unacknowledged

 

[OrangeDW]

Falling forward for an extra yard and breaking tackles are two different things. He has been a loyal, hard working, selfless player for us for 4 years but he is not a great runner. If he was, he would be getting more carries now. Look at today's article about Howard. Dino said he does not want to rotate RBs. He wants one guy that can do it all. It has been assumed that Strickland has been the best at making line calls, pass protecting, etc. If he was also the best runner, Dino would have no reason to play anyone else, except to rest him now and then.

His YPC basically say it all, IMO. He’s been under 4 every season as an RB. He’s not all that good at running the ball.

There’s value in a veteran player who never fumbles, blocks well, knows what he’s doing, can catch, has become pretty good at finding the end zone on goal line carries, runs tough and hard and seems to be in good condition as some of his most memorable runs have involved breaking tackles in the 4th quarter.

But he’s getting less carries than Neal for a reason. And it wouldn’t shock me if he lost more carries to Howard. I don’t think Strick breaks a 50 yarder like Howard did on that carry. Howard made that happen by making that first defender miss. Seems like a much more dynamic runner.

Having 3 backs that can help us is a good thing. I think Dino is using them pretty well so far.