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Rickie Collins

No, Fran said they did not practice long third down throws with Carney. He had limited first team practice reps because Collins was going to start and needed them. Carney also threw two short passes into traffic, so trust was there.

Crazy response. Again, Carney has played football his entire life in Texas. We're worried about long 3rd down throws because we didn't practice them with Carney. It was 9 yards.
 
Wrong again. They haven’t fully prepared Carney fully to run the offense. That’s the driving factor that led them to put Collins back in. It would be coaching malpractice to have him run specific plays for the first time in a game. It’s a perhaps subtle, but distinct difference regarding the trust factor.

“The call sheet that we had set for him wasn’t really meant for 3rd-and-9,” Brown said.

Brown was then asked how much of the offense Carney can run right now.

“Not much,” he said. “We’re in the developmental point of it when it comes to the young quarterbacks and the things of that nature. There’s a lot that we’re trying to do and trying to get rolling, and we’ll get it back. It’ll work. it takes time.”
Thanks for posting.

The quote indicates they thought Collins was better prepared as No. 2 and he isn't handling the game (possibly he isn't adjusting well to game speed). They didn't b work Carney as much to provide proper snaps to No. 1 and No. 2. If Carney can learn more of the playbook, he is probably starting in a couple games. As one (or more) posters commented, they want Collins to start against GATech and Carney ready for UNC. That may be the plan.

Regardless, I believe The staff has adjusted the plan and are implementing it, it's just not as quick as any of us (staff, team, fans) want.
 
Thanks for posting.

The quote indicates they thought Collins was better prepared as No. 2 and he isn't handling the game (possibly he isn't adjusting well to game speed). They didn't b work Carney as much to provide proper snaps to No. 1 and No. 2. If Carney can learn more of the playbook, he is probably starting in a couple games. As one (or more) posters commented, they want Collins to start against GATech and Carney ready for UNC. That may be the plan.

Regardless, I believe The staff has adjusted the plan and are implementing it, it's just not as quick as any of us (staff, team, fans) want.
It is mandatory that QB#2 have a few plays for 3rd and 10. Not an unlikely situation if an injury strikes.
 
Wrong again. They haven’t fully prepared Carney fully to run the offense. That’s the driving factor that led them to put Collins back in. It would be coaching malpractice to have him run specific plays for the first time in a game. It’s a perhaps subtle, but distinct difference regarding the trust factor.

“The call sheet that we had set for him wasn’t really meant for 3rd-and-9,” Brown said.

Brown was then asked how much of the offense Carney can run right now.

“Not much,” he said. “We’re in the developmental point of it when it comes to the young quarterbacks and the things of that nature. There’s a lot that we’re trying to do and trying to get rolling, and we’ll get it back. It’ll work. it takes time.”
Those are the words he used in the PC. But, I'm not sure how much of that we should take at face value. His ownership of the punt return debacle at the end of the half was another example of him taking all the heat when clearly he was upset at the decisions being made.

His MO is to deflect blame away from the players AND his staff. Everything he says pubically should be viewed against that backdrop. I find it hard to believe that the "call sheet" or Carney's developmental readiness to face a basic 3rd and 9 play call had much to do with the decisions that were being made.
 
It is mandatory that QB#2 have a few plays for 3rd and 10. Not an unlikely situation if an injury strikes.
I agree, but Carney was not No. 2 until four weeks ago. Just a guess, but I think they want to build Carney up before throwing him to the wolves with full responsibility, he is a true freshman.
 
I believe both a) it's possible they didn't have this on the sheet for Carney and b) if Collins went down, we weren't going to punt in 3rd and 9 or greater.
If Collins gets hurt, I promise you we will end up with lots of 3rd downs. Some of them less than 9, some of them more. Carney needed to get reps before Duke and SMU, much less during the bye week. C'mon. If Collins gets hurt, Carney is going to see some 3rd downs eventually.
 
I'm sure some people here like to see these kids fail now, under the guise of "they're making money now so I can treat them like trash".

Rickie's not good enough but seems personal for some.
It may be but I do not feel that is the case. Fans want to win. We have seen the Ricky experiment and it is not working. I’m sure he is not happy with his play but you do not keep playing someone or keep someone in any position that keeps failing. It’s time to move on. Will things improve with a change? Who knows but if we continue to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is crazy.
I know Fran wants to say Ricky has not really played since high school but the same could be said for Angeli. He did start in a bowl game and did play when Leonard (sp) was banged up but it was not a McCord situation.
Also Ricky was named the starter after spring which you would think he got a lot of run with the ones. Also for part of camp until Angeli won the job.
Now after four weeks and three games as the starter we continue to see the same problems. When a reporter asked Fran are you trying to run plays to Ricky’s strengths Fran said “who said we’re not.”. If that is the case more reason to change.
 
No one is expecting two stellar QBs. We just want/need a semi functional QB2. The fact that we did not have that last year, do not have that this year, and may not have that next year should be on Fran.

He had a crap QB room last year behind McCord. Not all Fran's fault as he wasn't left with much. Thank goodness we had an outlier season and kept QB1 healthy the entire year.

But knowing you have a bare cupboard, he needed to bring in a HS kid who could be QB2 for this season and failed to get a Top 100 QB.

For now he has failed to bring in a Top 75 HS kid for next season.

Fran has been great recruiting overall but his QB plan has stunk. Either he naively doesn't think we need a decent QB2, or he has failed to get who he has targeted. Either way it needs to change ASAP.
Why would anyone over pay for a hs recruit. We would be dumb to pay 3 to 4 million for a top ten high school recruit. How many top ten freshmen are playing and leading their teams. Ricky has been a bust so far. It happens. The issue is that Fran continues to stick with Ricky. Most schools that loose their starter have issues. Kids are not staying if they even think they may be the backup qb that has any other real options.
We did go get a second qb with high measureables it just did not translate to the field. I think Fran realized that and got Angeli but you were never getting two potential starters in the spring portal.
I think people act like we can just offer and a player automatically comes. We brought in a number of qbs in December to evaluate but you cannot make a player come.
 
As a dude who sees the QBs' facial expressions when they're reviewing tape, "he gets paid so I can boo" doesn't just lack empathy it lacks context.

We're there because we're fans. We're the 12th man and support our team. We scream like lunatics to mess with the other teams' offense, and for "medium" sized crowd are pretty darn successful with it.

And then we watch Rickie--who is often regarded as having issues developing confidence--and when he fails to make a play, we publicly and dramatically work to lower his confidence further? I think Rickie is in over his head as much as anybody, but booing him is bullshit and Pitt should thank us for doing so.
Maybe im a bad person but i pay to watch football, not crap. Fandom is not unconditional, it comes with expectations of success and thus value for our money. If you want to just be told you’re doing great all the time then stick to rec soccer
 
Wrong again. They haven’t fully prepared Carney fully to run the offense. That’s the driving factor that led them to put Collins back in. It would be coaching malpractice to have him run specific plays for the first time in a game. It’s a perhaps subtle, but distinct difference regarding the trust factor.

“The call sheet that we had set for him wasn’t really meant for 3rd-and-9,” Brown said.

Brown was then asked how much of the offense Carney can run right now.

“Not much,” he said. “We’re in the developmental point of it when it comes to the young quarterbacks and the things of that nature. There’s a lot that we’re trying to do and trying to get rolling, and we’ll get it back. It’ll work. it takes time.”
Why would you coach a guy to play but not have a single play that can be run on 3rd on 9? What happens if Rickie got injured, we just hope to never have a time where we need to call a pass play on 3rd down? Thats a stupid excuse.
 
Why would anyone over pay for a hs recruit. We would be dumb to pay 3 to 4 million for a top ten high school recruit. How many top ten freshmen are playing and leading their teams. Ricky has been a bust so far. It happens. The issue is that Fran continues to stick with Ricky. Most schools that loose their starter have issues. Kids are not staying if they even think they may be the backup qb that has any other real options.
We did go get a second qb with high measureables it just did not translate to the field. I think Fran realized that and got Angeli but you were never getting two potential starters in the spring portal.
I think people act like we can just offer and a player automatically comes. We brought in a number of qbs in December to evaluate but you cannot make a player come.

Why are you creating some odd ball fake scenario? Who is asking for a Top 10 recruit? Who is advocating paying $300k let alone $3M to a HS QB? Who is this 2nd QB we brought in before Angeli that you speak of? Who is asking for 2 starters?

Non P4 schools are getting Top 50 QBs (not Top 50 players but position ranked QBs). Why are we bringing in kids outside of the Top 100?
 
Why would you coach a guy to play but not have a single play that can be run on 3rd on 9? What happens if Rickie got injured, we just hope to never have a time where we need to call a pass play on 3rd down? Thats a stupid excuse.
I agree with the overall point. In this instance, HCFB brought in three new guys, each having to learn the system. Carney was on campus only after graduation and had no college experience. Carney was the low man on the priority chart, he received the least amount of coaching and reps. Your point remains valid, as do Carney's points.
 
I agree with the overall point. In this instance, HCFB brought in three new guys, each having to learn the system. Carney was on campus only after graduation and had no college experience. Carney was the low man on the priority chart, he received the least amount of coaching and reps. Your point remains valid, as do Carney's points.
Ill just add one thing to my comment though, they ran a play on second down of his first drive that could have gone for 10 years had he chose to go for one of the 2 deep routes versus the checkdown. That play easily could've been called again (pitt has no idea how limited his playbook is).
 
Thanks for posting.

The quote indicates they thought Collins was better prepared as No. 2 and he isn't handling the game (possibly he isn't adjusting well to game speed).

My son's HS team played a Top 20 team in state last Friday. I ask him how their film looked Wednesday before the game. He says, "Dad, they play much faster than us."

What do I say? Telling him "Go faster" only invites mental mistakes. Instead, I went with "Trust yourself. Don't be too cautious," knowing the only way to adjust is to experience "they play faster."

I'd give Rickie the same advice. If processing game speed is the issue, I get why he's still out there. How do you help a player adjust to a faster game other than experiencing it?

I admit this is all tough to watch now. He's not been good. But I also believe Rickie can get better. It'll be a lot easier for us if Rickie can be a solid #2 next year vs. finding a backup in the spring ball portal.
 
My son's HS team played a Top 20 team in state last Friday. I ask him how their film looked Wednesday before the game. He says, "Dad, they play much faster than us."

What do I say? Telling him "Go faster" only invites mental mistakes. Instead, I went with "Trust yourself. Don't be too cautious," knowing the only way to adjust is to experience "they play faster."

I'd give Rickie the same advice. If processing game speed is the issue, I get why he's still out there. How do you help a player adjust to a faster game other than experiencing it?

I admit this is all tough to watch now. He's not been good. But I also believe Rickie can get better. It'll be a lot easier for us if Rickie can be a solid #2 next year vs. finding a backup in the spring ball portal.

What are the chances he develops enough this year to be a solid #2? And if he does develop enough, what are the chances he stays here knowing that he will get less $ in NIL and be QB2 for the next 2 seasons?

I feel like the scenarios are 1. he doesn't get any better and we move on or 2. he gets better and he moves on. In both cases neither is good for our team next year.
 
My son's HS team played a Top 20 team in state last Friday. I ask him how their film looked Wednesday before the game. He says, "Dad, they play much faster than us."

What do I say? Telling him "Go faster" only invites mental mistakes. Instead, I went with "Trust yourself. Don't be too cautious," knowing the only way to adjust is to experience "they play faster."

I'd give Rickie the same advice. If processing game speed is the issue, I get why he's still out there. How do you help a player adjust to a faster game other than experiencing it?

I admit this is all tough to watch now. He's not been good. But I also believe Rickie can get better. It'll be a lot easier for us if Rickie can be a solid #2 next year vs. finding a backup in the spring ball portal.
Wise words to give your son ... and Rickie. At this point development is on Rickie, coaches can only advise. Rickie has to step up. Just like your son. You can't beat it into them. You can't work it into them. You can't over-pressure them. Just encourage them to dig deeper and step up.
 
Maybe im a bad person but i pay to watch football, not crap. Fandom is not unconditional, it comes with expectations of success and thus value for our money. If you want to just be told you’re doing great all the time then stick to rec soccer

No I don't think you're a bad person, I think you're acting against your own interest. You want success? Cool, me too. Rickie's confidence seems to be getting in the way of success, so lowering his confidence further just makes the situation worse.

There's some nuance here. I'm not saying "boos are mean" or whatever. When Fran sent him back out I had no issue with the boo's, that was Fran's fault. IMHO he has too much confidence in Rickie so taking Coach down a peg on that is a good thing.
 
What are the chances he develops enough this year to be a solid #2? And if he does develop enough, what are the chances he stays here knowing that he will get less $ in NIL and be QB2 for the next 2 seasons?

I feel like the scenarios are 1. he doesn't get any better and we move on or 2. he gets better and he moves on. In both cases neither is good for our team next year.

Good points. Fran is showing Rickie a lot of loyalty. I hope he returns it if he gets better. However, it's gonna be Steve's job to lose if he's healthy.
 
No I don't think you're a bad person, I think you're acting against your own interest. You want success? Cool, me too. Rickie's confidence seems to be getting in the way of success, so lowering his confidence further just makes the situation worse.

There's some nuance here. I'm not saying "boos are mean" or whatever. When Fran sent him back out I had no issue with the boo's, that was Fran's fault. IMHO he has too much confidence in Rickie so taking Coach down a peg on that is a good thing.
If it was game one I would get the confidence argument but its game 3, if he isnt doing the right things its a talent issue. Confidence doesn't stop you from throwing the ball into triple coverage or staring down a receiver, if anything it might make it worse.
 
If it was game one I would get the confidence argument but its game 3, if he isnt doing the right things its a talent issue. Confidence doesn't stop you from throwing the ball into triple coverage or staring down a receiver, if anything it might make it worse.

I dunno. Once he starts making some headway he's had a few drives. As above, I see the QBs on the sideline watching tape after every drive and my impression is that his play and his morale go hand in hand. And that's pretty common anyway, to the point they model it in video games.

That said I agree there is also a big talent issue. Other failures too, the coaches aren't adapting well, the line doesn't buy enough time, etc. It's @#$# situation all around.
 
Carney looked like he would be little in a pee wee football game he didn’t look more than 5’ 8” a buck 50. He looked like he’d get killed out there if he played more than a few series
they say he's 6'2" 200 and benches 300. If true he can handle it. If not......
 
Based on the two series he played, Carney just didn't seem to have that "it" factor. Let's stick with Rickie the rest of the way and hope for the best.
too early to tell, not enough data points/time or reps in there. Guarantee he'll get more run the rest of the way that'll determine if he's ready and we'll know more and get a better feel for it.
 
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