Rickie Collins

[IthacaMatt]

I liked Shrader for where we were as a program, and I loved his competitive spirit. However, that guy just loved throwing balls into the dirt on third down.

Come on, he was hurt both seasons. When he was healthy early in the first half of each year, he put up very good passing numbers. It's hard to throw with shoulder injuries.

 

[kcsu]

We have different definitions of "great". He was serviceable at best.

Seriously. He was a great leader and player for SU. Not a great QB but he won a lot of games for us. "Serviceable" shows a complete lack of respect for what he did for the team.

 

[IthacaMatt]

We have different definitions of "great". He was serviceable at best.

Oh, stop it. He was around top 5-10 QB in our history.

Collected 6,818 career passing yards and completed 489-of-743 passing attempts (.658) … Amassed 75 total touchdowns in 34 career games played … Tallied 2,205 career rushing yards and 32 touchdowns on the ground

He was better for us than DeVito. He was about on par with Dungey.

 

[IthacaMatt]

IT also needs to have a good OC who gets IT

And a serviceable offensive line.

 

[GoSU96]

Did CDRW and the kid from South Carolina resurrect anything?

“Who had that on their Bingo card 5 years ago, the Cuse is QB U for those looking to resurrect their careers!”

Thats the statement I was responding to. Want to tell me what I was wrong about. Outcomes have nothing to do with what I was responding to.

 

[GoSU96]

Nice high release.

 

[GoSU96]

Shrader also didn't resurrect anything.

What the hell is your problem with Garrett Shrader?

 

[IthacaMatt]

What the hell is your problem with Garrett Shrader?

Probably lost some bets.

 

[UD1954]

OC Nixon will taylor the offense to whoever wins the QB battle like he did with McCord....

 

[sufandu]

“Who had that on their Bingo card 5 years ago, the Cuse is QB U for those looking to resurrect their careers!”

Thats the statement I was responding to. Want to tell me what I was wrong about. Outcomes have nothing to do with what I was responding to.

The situations are different. CDRW and the kid from South Carolina were situations where we were grasping at straws with guys that were buried on depth charts with no chance at playing. Fran, Nixon, and McCord changed the narrative to where a guy that was thought to have the chance to compete for the staring job at LSU and could've transferred to a number of other places chose us. You know football. You can't tell me with honesty you don't see the difference between the two scenarios.

 

[bnoro]

Oh, stop it. He was around top 5-10 QB in our history.

Collected 6,818 career passing yards and completed 489-of-743 passing attempts (.658) … Amassed 75 total touchdowns in 34 career games played … Tallied 2,205 career rushing yards and 32 touchdowns on the ground

He was better for us than DeVito. He was about on par with Dungey.

Anyone was better than DeVito.

On par with Dungey is absolutely ridiculous.

The revisionist history is out of control with this dude. Let's talk about wins and losses, not how many passing yards he had. His lack of an arm lost us games.

And I don't often bet on SU football, that's a weird statement to throw in there.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Anyone was better than DeVito.

On par with Dungey is absolutely ridiculous.

The revisionist history is out of control with this dude. Let's talk about wins and losses, not how many passing yards he had. His lack of an arm lost us games.

And I don't often bet on SU football, that's a weird statement to throw in there.

DeVito actually won a few games as an NFL starter. I am not a fan of how he played for us, but Shrader won the job from DeVito.

Shrader was a pretty good QB for us, even with his injuries, clearly ranking in our Top 10 all time. You can't just call him serviceable when he was the leader of a couple teams that were doing pretty well, until injuries caught up and they fell apart.

But that's wasn't solely on him, that happened with every team with Dino.

 

[ezbeezy214]

Beautiful

 

[IthacaMatt]

Anyone was better than DeVito.

On par with Dungey is absolutely ridiculous.

The revisionist history is out of control with this dude. Let's talk about wins and losses, not how many passing yards he had. His lack of an arm lost us games.

And I don't often bet on SU football, that's a weird statement to throw in there.

Player 1:
60.4% 39 TD, 17 INT, 12.5 YPC, 133.1 QB Rating

Player 2:
61.5%, 58 TD, 32 INT, 11.9 YPC, 133.1 QB Rating

 

[bnoro]

Player 1:
60.4% 39 TD, 17 INT, 12.5 YPC, 133.1 QB Rating

Player 2:
61.5%, 58 TD, 32 INT, 11.9 YPC, 133.1 QB Rating

Player 1: Never won more than 7 games in a season

Player 2: Won 10 games in a season

 

[Niastri]

Player 1: Never won more than 7 games in a season

Player 2: Won 10 games in a season

I don’t have a horse in the race, but that is pretty egregious false equivalence.

Being disingenuous in arguments isn’t a great look

 

[orangefog]

I don't even give a crap, both were ORANGE and both gave everything they had to win games for SYRACUSE.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Player 1: Never won more than 7 games in a season

Player 2: Won 10 games in a season

Both players had troubling finishing seasons without injury.

Yes, Dungey won 10 games, but he was also the starter in a couple 4-8 seasons.

Dungey was 20-18 as a starter at Syracuse. Shrader was 16-12 as a starter.

 

[orangefog]

I love Nassib, Dungey, Devito, Shrader and McCord, different coaches, different Olines different eras that all gave their all for us. Screw trying to compare them it is impossible. It's on to the Collins era and he is going to keep the Fran Brown era rocking.

 

[TexanMark]

Agreed. I get the love for Shrader. Tough kid, played his heart out, etc.

But as a QB, he was 80% legs, 20% arm. I would be disappointed if we settle for his level of QB talent. That should be the floor…nowhere near the ceiling.

I think the staff would agree.

BL: kid had heart and when healthy he gave Cuse a chance to win games unlike some of the 2nd and 3rd stringers we had to play. Garrett was a great rep for Cuse...hope he can stick at BC in the CFL.

 

[tep624]

Player 1: Never won more than 7 games in a season

Player 2: Won 10 games in a season

You know as well as I do that Dungey had a competent backup his senior year in DeVito. And you also know that DeVito won 2 of the games you are giving Dungey credit for - UNC and FSU.

You also know that Shrader was in games his senior season with a severely injured throwing arm that he never should have been in had we had anything on the QB depth chart resembling a competent backup. And had we had a competent backup, we probably win more than 6 games that year. We literally got to 6 with Dan Villari running wildcat for ****’s sakes.

 

[orangefog]

You know as well as I do that Dungey had a competent backup his senior year in DeVito. And you also know that DeVito won 2 of the games you are giving Dungey credit for - UNC and FSU.

You also know that Shrader was in games his senior season with a severely injured throwing arm that he never should have been in had we had anything on the QB depth chart resembling a competent backup. And had we had a competent backup, we probably win more than 6 games that year. We literally got to 6 with Dan Villari running wildcat for ****’s sakes.

McCord's success is not Shrader's success is not Devito's success is not Dungey's success is not Nassib's success. They are individual. We don't need to tear down one to celebrate another. That is a fool's task. So, I am not calling you out Tep, but we need to celebrate all's accomplishments to move forward and to build. Stop the foolish comparisons.

 

[GoSU96]

The situations are different. CDRW and the kid from South Carolina were situations where we were grasping at straws with guys that were buried on depth charts with no chance at playing. Fran, Nixon, and McCord changed the narrative to where a guy that was thought to have the chance to compete for the staring job at LSU and could've transferred to a number of other places chose us. You know football. You can't tell me with honesty you don't see the difference between the two scenarios.

All of those players came here to resurrect their careers.

 

[anglerman]

We have different definitions of "great". He was serviceable at best.

He was a good when he wasn’t injured he had poise and command on the offense. You’re underestimating him

 

[Irt4su]

Shrader was great he was unfortunately injury prone. If he stayed healthy Dino would still be coaching

Well….than thank you Mr Shrader for not being healthy. Long live The Franchise