Rickie Collins

[tptcuse]

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TL;DR: It wasn't all Rickie's fault, he will probably leave after this year regardless, and don't burn Carney's redshirt.

 

[CbusCuse]

TL;DR: It wasn't all Rickie's fault, he will probably leave after this year regardless, and don't burn Carney's redshirt.

Ha. And...He was better than people think. I think his upside is mid, but you have to give him more time. To think he can't get better makes no sense.

 

[AngryOtto]

If Carney plays in 8 games this year it isn't a waste or a burn of eligibility. Next year he isn't likely to play in 5 games. And same for 2027 (assuming Angeli gets the year back). So what is the harm in having him use a year of eligibility by actually playing football? The bigger waste would be saving him this year and then having him not play the next two years.

And this is all assuming he stays here 5 years which in today's world is a huge assumption.

If carney plays and does well he is not sitting behind Angeli for 2 years. He will leave. Also I hope Angeli comes back strong but with any injury you have to wait and see.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If carney plays and does well he is not sitting behind Angeli for 2 years. He will leave. Also I hope Angeli comes back strong but with any injury you have to wait and see.

And if he thinks he is good he will leave having never played here. Wouldn't it be better to use him this year in either case?

 

[Cuse On 3]

TL;DR: It wasn't all Rickie's fault, he will probably leave after this year regardless, and don't burn Carney's redshirt.

Thank you my good sir. Definitely not all Rickie’s fault. I agree.

 

[NashvilleOrange]

ESPN puts Rickie as #63 out of 68 Power 4 QBs

 

[Cuse On 3]

ESPN puts Rickie as #63 out of 68 Power 4 QBsView attachment 255690

This list will be more relevant two game from now

 

[CbusCuse]

ESPN puts Rickie as #63 out of 68 Power 4 QBsView attachment 255690

Hey. He’s better than 5 P4 QB’s and he’s only started 1 game.

 

[kcsu]

Agreed. I saw a video one time when offensive guru / former NFL coach Bill Walsh talked about how so many teams fall into the trap of falling in love with arm strength. At the combine [which has admittedly changed over the years], he laughed about how some teams talk themselves into QBs over dumb reasons, like a guy being able to chuck a football 50+ yards from their knees. His take was that when is a QB ever going to throw from their knees, so who cares? His other take was that yes, arm strength is somewhat important, but as long as a guy hits the minimum threshold, he sets that criteria aside and doesn't worry about it. He was much more worried about their ability to process information quickly, and accuracy in terms of short and intermediate throws.

So whenever I hear a QB described, and all anybody talks about is their arm strength, I know that it likely means that they lack their other attributes Walsh was talking about. And I think that's what we're seeing with Rickie Collins.

Joe M didnt have the strongest arm.

 

[sufandu]

Rickie was not all that far behind Angeli for QB1.

People that generally have accurate inside info have said it wasn't close.

1) First drive Rickies arm gets pulled on the pass, interception. MOSTLY not Rickies fault. I feel better after rewatching that.

Watch the safety (I don't think Rickie did). He had it read the whole way. Even without Rickie's arm getting hit, he probably makes a play on the ball.

2) Targeting/Personal Foul shot to the head of a defensless player. Flag waved off and results in Cook fumble. BS call. Not Rickies fault.

Crap call by the refs, but Rickie's inaccurate throw put Cook in a bad position. He did that a number of other times during the game, including the play where Cook nearly had his knees taken out.

5) The drive where we are driving and inside the 10, Duke blows up the play. Rickie has nobody to hand it off to and tries to break free for a run. Everyone says Rickie should have thrown it away but that was a RUN play. We surely would have gotten an illegal man down field call if he throws that. Hopefully that played into Rickies decision to keep it and try to make a play.

I agree that Duke blew it up. Maybe it was a run play, but then somebody should have clued Willis in. If they weren't faking the handoff, it was the most halfhearted attempt at taking the ball from the QB that I've ever seen. Regardless, we wouldn't have been penalized for illegal man downfield. All the lineman were no more than 3 yards past the LOS. Even if we had, it's a 5 yard loss and replay the down. Taking the sack was a 7 yard loss and we lost the down.

 

[690West]

Or spiking it on 4th down to end the game. *cough cough Cullpeper*

Oh my lord in heaven. I had absolutely repressed that memory. Hahaha

 

[hoopsupstate]

There is no way the coaches are going to keep a better player from playing to hide them if winning is in the line. Heck, Fran called his FR OG a potential Top 10 pick. He ain’t insecure.

That’s how coaches lose jobs.

 

[SuFTW]

Nixon didn’t say anything about the ball being tipped on the interception, he said JRS ran the wrong way.

“On Syracuse’s first possession, Ross-Simmons ran a go route down the sideline that led to Rickie Collins’s second interception of the season. It was one of many instances of poor play from the Orange’s offense.

“That really wasn’t Rickie’s fault,” offensive coordinator Jeff Nixon said Tuesday night following practice. “The receiver is supposed to outside release on that, and the ball is supposed to be thrown on the sideline. He took an inside release on the play, and you can’t do that.”

Duke safety Caleb Weaver, who caught the interception, said Collins was staring down his receivers too long. Both Nixon and Collins denied that observation Tuesday night.”

Syracuse offensive coordinator defends his quarterback: ‘That really wasn’t Rickie’s fault’

Rickie Collins had a subpar performance in his first career start, but his teammates didn't make life easy.

www.syracuse.com

 

[CuseMan4]

Duke safety Caleb Weaver, who caught the interception, said Collins was staring down his receivers too long. Both Nixon and Collins denied that observation Tuesday night.”

Respectfully if your opponent tells you that your QB is staring down receivers after the game. Your QB is PROBABLY staring down receivers. Rickie is a one read QB at this point. EVERYONE can see that lol

 

[sufandu]

Duke safety Caleb Weaver, who caught the interception, said Collins was staring down his receivers too long. Both Nixon and Collins denied that observation Tuesday night.”

Respectfully if your opponent tells you that your QB is staring down receivers after the game. Your QB is PROBABLY staring down receivers. Rickie is a one read QB at this point. EVERYONE can see that lol

Yeah, while watching the game in real time, I said out loud to stop staring at the recievers (not that he could hear me through my TV). To be fair, I said the same thing during a previous game, probably Tennessee, to Angeli. I don't think he could hear me either, but he was still getting better.

 

[DomeHolmes]

Duke safety Caleb Weaver, who caught the interception, said Collins was staring down his receivers too long. Both Nixon and Collins denied that observation Tuesday night.”

Respectfully if your opponent tells you that your QB is staring down receivers after the game. Your QB is PROBABLY staring down receivers. Rickie is a one read QB at this point. EVERYONE can see that lol

I haven’t posted since the game because I wanted to watch it first. It seemed like we were the keystone cops on both sides of the ball, but we weren’t 38-3 bad. A lot went wrong. A bit of it I put on Dixon, who like vs Conn, did not call a great game. Most is on Cook and the defense. But we moved the ball at the start of the game, and got down to the 6 yard line the next drive and came away with just three points. If we were up 14-3 maybe the game goes differently.

About staring down receivers. I am not a big fan of Ricky‘s and not too optimistic going forward, but in reality, for the most part, he hit open receivers, and was fairly accurate. While he may have been staring down receivers, and it may bite him worse in the future, no Duke defender was able to jump a route for a pick. And he completed 65%, so not something Duke really took advantage of.

Before the game, I think 90% of us would say that 24 for 37 for 229 yards and an interception that wasn’t really his fault would be more than acceptable, especially considering what most of us expected. That kind of production with our running game should’ve been enough for a 27-24 type victory, if our defense had half a clue..

 

[Finwad32]

The INT was a bad decision. Safety rolled over the top from the snap. Outside release or not, he threw a go ball (fairly poorly) with a 2nd defender tracking the entire way.

Doesn’t matter, it wasn’t the play that broke us. There were many. We’re going to need better execution to compete. Hopefully Ricky continues to improve. We’re rolling with him.

 

[CuseMan4]

I haven’t posted since the game because I wanted to watch it first. It seemed like we were the keystone cops on both sides of the ball, but we weren’t 38-3 bad. A lot went wrong. A bit of it I put on Dixon, who like vs Conn, did not call a great game. Most is on Cook and the defense. But we moved the ball at the start of the game, and got down to the 6 yard line the next drive and came away with just three points. If we were up 14-3 maybe the game goes differently.

About staring down receivers. I am not a big fan of Ricky‘s and not too optimistic going forward, but in reality, for the most part, he hit open receivers, and was fairly accurate. While he may have been staring down receivers, and it may bite him worse in the future, no Duke defender was able to jump a route for a pick. And he completed 65%, so not something Duke really took advantage of.

Before the game, I think 90% of us would say that 24 for 37 for 229 yards and an interception that wasn’t really his fault would be more than acceptable, especially considering what most of us expected. That kind of production with our running game should’ve been enough for a 27-24 type victory, if our defense had half a clue..

I agree with most of what you are saying. But it’s tough. We realllly don’t have a QB that I trust. And we DEFINITELY don’t have a defense I trust. So not a great spot. If Rickie doesn’t do well the first half against SMU what do we have to lose throwing Carney in? Frans words he beat out Eilliams and Belien as a true freshman. So throw him in and maybe we have our QB for the next few years at WORSE we have our back up until Angeli leaves. If Fran has him beating out Williams and Belien he is obviously showing something in practice. If Collins can’t show much after a game and a half we have nothing to lose.

Don’t forget the legend Dungey got thrown in after the first series of senior QB Terrell Hunt getting hurt after the first game and we had our QB for 4 years after that. Can’t hurt

 

[OttosShoes]

Hey. He’s better than 5 P4 QB’s and he’s only started 1 game.

OTOH, he's behind two quarterbacks who've seen their coaches fired. One of whom is expected to go 0-12.

Here's to hoping things click for SMU.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If you take away the garbage time last drive he was 17-29 58.6% 172 yards

 

[CbusCuse]

If you take away the garbage time last drive he was 17-29 58.6% 172 yards

Valid point.