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According to the commissioner's office, hitting a batter is worse than throwing your helmet at a player?

Stupid.
 
I think the pitcher should have received more games...that was a lower than bush league play...

If it had hit the pitcher, there is no way that helmet would have hit him as hard as that fastball...
 
He tried to hit the pitcher with the helmet, but he's too stupid to understand where to release it.

Assuming the guy did mean to throw at him or hit him, big deal. That's been part of the game for a century. It happens all the time without a meltdown and thrown helmets and punches. No way the pitcher acted worse than the batter.
 
OttoMets said:
He tried to hit the pitcher with the helmet, but he's too stupid to understand where to release it.

Assuming the guy did mean to throw at him or hit him, big deal. That's been part of the game for a century. It happens all the time without a meltdown and thrown helmets and punches. No way the pitcher acted worse than the batter.
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He threw at him because he hit two homers off him almost three year ago...bush league...and oh, also because he doesn't like Harper...which seems like you don't as well...Even his own teammates waited a few seconds before running in there, they knew it was ridiculous...
 
AirForceOrange said:
He threw at him because he hit two homers off him almost three year ago...bush league...and oh, also because he doesn't like Harper...which seems like you don't as well...Even his own teammates waited a few seconds before running in there, they knew it was ridiculous...
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You're right about that. I don't like him, think he's trashy.

But what the pitcher did isn't unusual. It wasn't dirty or dangerous - the pitch was at his hip. The only thing that was remarkable about this was the batter's meltdown. And it's the latest in a pattern of that kind of behavior from him.
 
OttoMets said:
He tried to hit the pitcher with the helmet, but he's too stupid to understand where to release it.

Assuming the guy did mean to throw at him or hit him, big deal. That's been part of the game for a century. It happens all the time without a meltdown and thrown helmets and punches. No way the pitcher acted worse than the batter.
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He got hit with a 98 mile an hour fastball on the hip because of 2 home runs three years ago. Some middle relief guy against a possible MVP. Buster Posey didn't even budge to help his pitcher out. Harper threw the helmet the opposite way as a distraction.

After Clemens on Piazza, it was about as cowardly as it gets.
 
OttoMets said:
You're right about that. I don't like him, think he's trashy.

But what the pitcher did isn't unusual. It wasn't dirty or dangerous - the pitch was at his hip. The only thing that was remarkable about this was the batter's meltdown. And it's the latest in a pattern of that kind of behavior from him.
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It was a 98 MPH pitch. Lots of guys get hit with an off speed pitch, why so many of those pitches sail when thrown.
 
Guess I'm on an island on this one.

Pitchers hit batters. Deliberately. Weekly. Whether he's throwing 88 or 98 doesn't matter, and I don't think his assumed justification (home runs years ago) does either. In baseball, pitchers throw at batters and it's not usually a big deal. It only becomes a noteworthy situation when the brain-dead child in the batter's box has a meltdown. Given that, it's weird that his suspension is lighter than the suspension of the pitcher who didn't act outside the bounds of what's normal in the game.
 
Knicks411 said:
The fact that throwing a baseball 95+ MPH at a person isn't considered dangerous, unusual, or dirty is kind of crazy to me.
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Depends on the situation, in this case I would say it was dirty...

Not only by hitting Harper did Strickland risk injuring Harper and as result maybe himself as Harper charged him...but he put his teammates at risk for injury in the brawl that followed as result of them having to run in to defend him...all because almost three years ago, on their way to winning the WS, he didn't pitch well enough and gave up 2 homers to Harper..
 
AirForceOrange said:
Depends on the situation, in this case I would say it was dirty...

Not only by hitting Harper did Strickland risk injuring Harper and as result maybe himself as Harper charged him...but he put his teammates at risk for injury in the brawl that followed as result of them having to run in to defend him...all because almost three years ago, on their way to winning the WS, he didn't pitch well enough and gave up 2 homers to Harper..
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I would agree with you if he threw high.
 
OttoMets said:
Guess I'm on an island on this one.

Pitchers hit batters. Deliberately. Weekly. Whether he's throwing 88 or 98 doesn't matter, and I don't think his assumed justification (home runs years ago) does either. In baseball, pitchers throw at batters and it's not usually a big deal. It only becomes a noteworthy situation when the brain-dead child in the batter's box has a meltdown. Given that, it's weird that his suspension is lighter than the suspension of the pitcher who didn't act outside the bounds of what's normal in the game.
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His manager was not happy with what he did...and might not have said it, but by his response did not agree with the beaning...
 
OttoMets said:
Guess I'm on an island on this one.

Pitchers hit batters. Deliberately. Weekly. Whether he's throwing 88 or 98 doesn't matter, and I don't think his assumed justification (home runs years ago) does either. In baseball, pitchers throw at batters and it's not usually a big deal. It only becomes a noteworthy situation when the brain-dead child in the batter's box has a meltdown. Given that, it's weird that his suspension is lighter than the suspension of the pitcher who didn't act outside the bounds of what's normal in the game.
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I think it's crazy throwing at guys is so accepted, but setting that aside for a second.

I think you're too fixated on the number of games in this case. 4 games for an everyday player is a harsher suspension than 6 for a reliever. Strickland has appeared in 21 of the Giants 53 games this year. He's thrown 17 innings. (I think he's been on the roster all year). Bryce plays virtually every day. It's a much bigger hit to lose an every day player for 4 games than a middle reliever for 6.
 
OttoMets said:
Guess I'm on an island on this one.

Pitchers hit batters. Deliberately. Weekly. Whether he's throwing 88 or 98 doesn't matter, and I don't think his assumed justification (home runs years ago) does either. In baseball, pitchers throw at batters and it's not usually a big deal. It only becomes a noteworthy situation when the brain-dead child in the batter's box has a meltdown. Given that, it's weird that his suspension is lighter than the suspension of the pitcher who didn't act outside the bounds of what's normal in the game.
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Pitch speed matter a lot. And context. You just don't like Harper.

A guy who is going to have 20 or so at bats in 4 games matters more than a guy getting maybe 6 outs over 6 games in middle relief.
 
OttoMets said:
Guess I'm on an island on this one.

Pitchers hit batters. Deliberately. Weekly. Whether he's throwing 88 or 98 doesn't matter, and I don't think his assumed justification (home runs years ago) does either. In baseball, pitchers throw at batters and it's not usually a big deal. It only becomes a noteworthy situation when the brain-dead child in the batter's box has a meltdown. Given that, it's weird that his suspension is lighter than the suspension of the pitcher who didn't act outside the bounds of what's normal in the game.
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Yeah, I don't agree. You don't get to just fire fastballs at people on purpose with no Repurcussions. Baseball has the weirdest unwritten rules, many of which are in support of overly sensitive, butthurt pitchers.
 
OttoMets said:
Guess I'm on an island on this one.

Pitchers hit batters. Deliberately. Weekly. Whether he's throwing 88 or 98 doesn't matter, and I don't think his assumed justification (home runs years ago) does either. In baseball, pitchers throw at batters and it's not usually a big deal. It only becomes a noteworthy situation when the brain-dead child in the batter's box has a meltdown. Given that, it's weird that his suspension is lighter than the suspension of the pitcher who didn't act outside the bounds of what's normal in the game.
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Not totally on an island, you can get there by a bridge. I didn't like Harper's helmet toss. It was at worst a terrible throw, at best a way to start an unfair fight. You want to fight him, then just fight him. It's like Varitek trying to fight ARod with a catcher's glove and a mask on. I hate that stuff.

Not to mention, how many ejections is that for Harper? It's not all just an accident. He needs to clean that up before he joins the Yankees in 2019. I don't blame him for charging the mound on this one though.

Having said that, the 98 mph baseball is a weapon too. Strickland deserves the harsher punishment. His will stay at 6. And should be more just based on innings lost (pitchers always make out better than full time position players on these). I bet Harper's is reduced to 2 or 3.
 
OrangeDW said:
Yeah, I don't agree. You don't get to just fire fastballs at people on purpose with no Repurcussions. Baseball has the weirdest unwritten rules, many of which are in support of overly sensitive, butthurt pitchers.
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Remember when Cole Hamilton I think intentionally beaned Harper way back when, because Harper had the audacity to play well at the major league level at a young age?

Garbage.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
Remember when Cole Hamilton I think intentionally beaned Harper way back when, because Harper had the audacity to play well at the major league level at a young age?

Garbage.
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This guy hit a home run against me...bean him.

This guy ran the bases too slowly after hitting a home run against me...bean him.

This guy celebrated too much after hitting a big home run against us...bean him.

This young player is doing too well...bean him.

I don't like this guy...bean him.

But the hitters can't retaliate? Bean away, but you deserve whatever helmets, fists, and suspension come your way for starting the whole thing.

The better solution would be to stop sucking at pitching and get the guy out.
 
OrangeDW said:
Yeah, I don't agree. You don't get to just fire fastballs at people on purpose with no Repurcussions. Baseball has the weirdest unwritten rules, many of which are in support of overly sensitive, butthurt pitchers.
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I like the one where you can't bunt to break up a no hitter. Schilling got butt hurt about a guy trying to bunt, in a game where he had a 2-0 lead. (Maybe it was Brenly and Schilling was just pitching, this was 15 plus years ago)
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I strongly disagree. Throwing at guys is absolute crap and an embarrassment to the sport.
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Not always. Sometimes you need to defend your teammates. Bothers me in the AL though, because the pitcher doesn't have to step up to the plate to face the consequences.

This case though, holding a grudge for 3 years when you won the WS anyway? Yes, absolute crap.

I think Strickland asked Posey to stay there before he threw the pitch.
 
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