Ridiculously early 2014 SU Football starting lineup/rotation-Offense

[Trueblue25]

Ashton Broyld should put on 10 pounds in the offseason and become Syracuse's Charles Clay.

 

[RF2044]

I think Morris is the guy, PTG/McFarlane share back up duties.

Really interested in seeing Provo and Batten. Might be too soon though.

At WR... I still think some of the frosh play a LOT. Hopefully Broyld gets better. Cornelius and Estime look promising. Not sure about the rest though.

I'll just toss this out there--I'm not sure that Morris is better necessarily than McFarlane. I know people love Morris because of his HS film and the big run he had in the spring game, but I think both of those guys look like potential studs.

 

[TheCusian]

I'll just toss this out there--I'm not sure that Morris is better necessarily than McFarlane. I know people love Morris because of his HS film and the big run he had in the spring game, but I think both of those guys look like potential studs.

Was thinking the same thing. McFarlane is really shifty and a step quicker, I think.

But both are good - nice problem to have.

 

[bnoro]

Ashton Broyld should put on 10 pounds in the offseason and become Syracuse's Charles Clay.

Charles Clay sucks.

 

[SUFan44]

Charles Clay sucks.

Uh... 53 catches to rank 6th among all NFL TE's does not "suck".

 

[bnoro]

Uh... 53 catches to rank 6th among all NFL TE's does not "suck".

but why pick charles clay when there are tons of other better tight ends? and 53 catches isn't impressive for the dolphins, who else do they have to throw to? Gronk has 20 less yards and the same amount of TDs in half the games.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I would like to see what Ben Lewis can do at safety.

Jerome Smith is not a pro. SU backs way better than him didn't make it. He's 240 lbs and how many times does it take one defender to bring him down? It's also astonishing that upon being tackled how often he goes backwards or sideways instead of forward for another 2 or 3 yards.

Hickey could use another year in college but his draft stock will be measured in the workouts and not his actual on field production.

Im perplexed by Smith as well. Especially given the way Morris and McFarlane both finish runs stronger and break tackles more consistently at 25 lbs lighter. Hunt is the same weight as Smith and he crushed a BC DE during one of his runs last week. Smith seems to lack lateral mobility and loses all momentum when he tries to cut yet he appears to want to run in the same fashion as PTG.

 

[orangepassion]

improvement shown towards the end of the year?

he had 1 decent game at the end and capped it off with a td in the clutch. does that really show anything? he was still the worst starting QB i have personally ever watched. and he sucked in the 2nd to last game.

Just a quick question... and i seriously dont mean this to be snarky - but what would have said if BC didnt give us the ball back after Hunt's INT?

I hope he steps up - but this year was PAINFUL to watch.

The worst you've watched-Seriously? We were 6-6 with a true Freshman QB, new OC, and practically new WR corps who were average at best. We also had a backup K for most of the year. Out of those 6 losses, 5 had little or nothing to do with him. In the remaining games, he was 6-1. Have you forgotten 1-10 so soon?

He was excellent in his 1st 2 games. Mixed results in the middle, but wasn't always put in the best situations to succeed (penalties, etc) and was pretty darn good the 1st last 2 games, even if we didn't get the ball back after his one INT of the game. Notice how much better he played when we cut down on our penalties and we stopped running it on 1st down every time? I think you're being more than a bit harsh on him.

 

[orangepassion]

Assuming that he has got things in order for real, and is out of the doghouse...

I'm going with Funderburk, West, and Estime. That's a good group. With Cornelius, Broyld, Winfield, and the true frosh coming in, that's a group head and shoulders ahead of what we started this year with.

I can't see them effectively benching Broyld, though maybe he switches positions.

 

[ImperialOrange]

He and anyone else could start. WR next year seriously better start from scratch. The only thing worse than our QB play was our WR play.

Chicken or the Egg?

Our WR group seems to be getting it done more as the season progresses. Broyld seems to be getting it and Estime and Ace are beginning to show signs of what we were excited about when they committed.

One thing is certain, current WR's on the roster better get after it in the offseason because there is a ton of talent coming in and I don't think any plan on watching from the bench.

 

[ImperialOrange]

The worst you've watched-Seriously? We were 6-6 with a true Freshman QB, new OC, and practically new WR corps who were average at best. We also had a backup K for most of the year. Have you forgotten 1-10 so soon? He was excellent in his 1st 2 games. Mixed results in the middle, but wasn't always put in the best situations to succeed (penalties, etc) and was pretty darn good the 1st last 2 games, even if we didn't get the ball back after his one INT of the game. Notice how much better he played when we cut down on our penalties and we stopped running it on 1st down every time? I think you're being more than a bit harsh on him.

Hunt > Dantley

 

[Trueblue25]

but why pick charles clay when there are tons of other better tight ends? and 53 catches isn't impressive for the dolphins, who else do they have to throw to? Gronk has 20 less yards and the same amount of TDs in half the games.

Do you even watch the Miami Dolphins? Charles Clay is a top 8 tight end. The guys runs, blocks and catches.

If the dolphins had a solid offensive line, Charles Clay would be around 70 receptions, 700-800 yards and at least 5 tds.

Edit: Given AB's size and abilities, a comparison to Charles Clay is very appropriate and honestly maybe too good for Ashton Broyld.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'll just toss this out there--I'm not sure that Morris is better necessarily than McFarlane. I know people love Morris because of his HS film and the big run he had in the spring game, but I think both of those guys look like potential studs.

Oh, I've been touting McFarlane forever, and I don't think that's outside of the realm of possibilities. I think McFarlane's more versatile though - Morris is a pure rb, whereas I think they can do a lot of different things with McFarlane.

 

[CusefanATL]

The worst you've watched-Seriously? We were 6-6 with a true Freshman QB, new OC, and practically new WR corps who were average at best. We also had a backup K for most of the year. Out of those 6 losses, 5 had little or nothing to do with him. In the remaining games, he was 6-1. Have you forgotten 1-10 so soon?

He was excellent in his 1st 2 games. Mixed results in the middle, but wasn't always put in the best situations to succeed (penalties, etc) and was pretty darn good the 1st last 2 games, even if we didn't get the ball back after his one INT of the game. Notice how much better he played when we cut down on our penalties and we stopped running it on 1st down every time? I think you're being more than a bit harsh on him.

ummm... Hunt is a THIRD YEAR SOPHOMORE.

My only point was if we don't get the ball back on Saturday - no one is commenting on Hunt's "improvement."

Its amazing what 1 drive or 1 play can do to a fan base's perception of things. If Parris gets tackled at the 5, Mcdonald is run out of town and Hunt struggles to be starter next year.

 

[CusefanATL]

The worst you've watched-Seriously? We were 6-6 with a true Freshman QB, new OC, and practically new WR corps who were average at best. We also had a backup K for most of the year. Out of those 6 losses, 5 had little or nothing to do with him. In the remaining games, he was 6-1. Have you forgotten 1-10 so soon?

He was excellent in his 1st 2 games. Mixed results in the middle, but wasn't always put in the best situations to succeed (penalties, etc) and was pretty darn good the 1st last 2 games, even if we didn't get the ball back after his one INT of the game. Notice how much better he played when we cut down on our penalties and we stopped running it on 1st down every time? I think you're being more than a bit harsh on him.

oh... and if you are going to make the ridiculous comment "5 had little or nothing to do with him"

5 of our wins had little or nothing to do with him just the same.

of course... im not making that argument... its an asinine argument. But if you are, then you have to see it the same way.

 

[orangepassion]

ummm... Hunt is a THIRD YEAR SOPHOMORE.

Yes, but this was his 1st time on the field

My only point was if we don't get the ball back on Saturday - no one is commenting on Hunt's "improvement."

Strongly (but respectfully) disagree. He had an excellent game-Threw for almost 300 yards and ran for close to 100 more
.

 

[orangepassion]

oh... and if you are going to make the ridiculous comment "5 had little or nothing to do with him"

5 of our wins had little or nothing to do with him just the same.

of course... im not making that argument... its an asinine argument. But if you are, then you have to see it the same way.

My point is that he won most of the 50-50 games (Maryland, WF, BC) and could have won them all if we don't have 3 drops in the end zone, an extra point blocked and a missed FG

 

[SUFan44]

but why pick charles clay when there are tons of other better tight ends? and 53 catches isn't impressive for the dolphins, who else do they have to throw to? Gronk has 20 less yards and the same amount of TDs in half the games.

The way they move Clay around on the field and his physical build would be my guess. Gronk is 6-6 and is a bruiser. Clay is more of a finesse-type tight end which is how Broyld would play the position.

 

[spo023]

ummm... Hunt is a THIRD YEAR SOPHOMORE.

My only point was if we don't get the ball back on Saturday - no one is commenting on Hunt's "improvement."

Its amazing what 1 drive or 1 play can do to a fan base's perception of things. If Parris gets tackled at the 5, Mcdonald is run out of town and Hunt struggles to be starter next year.

Also gotta remember Hunt fumbled on that last drive after an 8 yard scramble. It took Macky chasing the play from behind to save the game for us.

 

[TheCusian]

ummm... Hunt is a THIRD YEAR SOPHOMORE. My only point was if we don't get the ball back on Saturday - no one is commenting on Hunt's "improvement." Its amazing what 1 drive or 1 play can do to a fan base's perception of things. If Parris gets tackled at the 5, Mcdonald is run out of town and Hunt struggles to be starter next year.

Not true at all. People were saying he was having a great game as it was happening around here. Had we lost, the fire would have been directed at McDonald (not totally fair, either). I think SS is going to open up the competition irregardless of what happens in the bowl game.

I think we've been pretty measured about Hunt since the game. Impressed with a dash of "we remember your issues" and "needs to get better."

 

[Entropic]

Also gotta remember Hunt fumbled on that last drive after an 8 yard scramble. It took Macky chasing the play from behind to save the game for us.

He also threw a terrible pick which left the defense in a really bad spot. If the defense doesn't hold them to a FG on a short field then the final drive is irrelevant. It was Hunts best game outside Tulane and the high school team but the entire season he has been one of the worst QBs statistically in all of D1 football. Not sure how some people have such glowing reviews of him.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

That's a shame. He was an intriguing prospect if for no other reason than he is the first guy I can ever remember us getting from the state of Tennessee. Wish him the best.

Jason Walters?

 

[TheCusian]

He also threw a terrible pick which left the defense in a really bad spot. If the defense doesn't hold them to a FG on a short field then the final drive is irrelevant. It was Hunts best game outside Tulane and the high school team but the entire season he has been one of the worst QBs statistically in all of D1 football. Not sure how some people have such glowing reviews of him.

If you combine running stats with passing stats that's not even close to being true. You could make the case that we'd be winless in the ACC without the threat of his feet. Also - the last two games there was noticeable improvement in throwing - as well as the emergence of Cornelius.

I wouldn't say glowing - but 6 wins and 3rd in our division is nothing to sneeze at. He'll be in the QB battle come spring ball - and I hope the best guy wins.

 

[SoBristol]

If you combine running stats with passing stats that's not even close to being true. You could make the case that we'd be winless in the ACC without the threat of his feet. Also - the last two games there was noticeable improvement in throwing - as well as the emergence of Cornelius.

I wouldn't say glowing - but 6 wins and 3rd in our division is nothing to sneeze at. He'll be in the QB battle come spring ball - and I hope the best guy wins.

With Hunt as a starter, we were 6-4, even with lost causes against Clemson, Florida St and GaTech. Aside from Pitt, got the wins that were there to get. Not perfect, but he is a threat as a runner, had few turn-overs, and improved as a passer in November.

Hunt is solid as the 2014 QB. Who is the competition? Red-shirt frosh, program guys (good recruits but not Donny McPherson), who no one has seen even in a scrimmage? Good luck.

 

[All4SU]

If you combine running stats with passing stats that's not even close to being true. You could make the case that we'd be winless in the ACC without the threat of his feet. Also - the last two games there was noticeable improvement in throwing - as well as the emergence of Cornelius.

I wouldn't say glowing - but 6 wins and 3rd in our division is nothing to sneeze at. He'll be in the QB battle come spring ball - and I hope the best guy wins.

Good post. I don't think anyone here was saying Hunt is the next McNabb. But despite his statistical shortcomings, he was giving us a chance to win in most games against teams not named FSU or Clemson. He has a long way to go. But the kid is a winner, and the team responds to him like a leader.

And of course HCSS will open up the competition next year. Every kid will get a chance. There are no locked up positions. That includes QB.