RJ Anderson After Insight Bowl v. Terrel Hunt After Texas Bowl

[OrangePA]

What do you think?

Who was further along in his development?

Who threw better? Who ran the ball better? Who was the better or more effective leader?

I think it's a close call.

I think overall, Terrel Hunt is the better athlete with a greater upside. I think it's pretty clear that he generated more offensive output than did Robin - but it's close since both were asked to do pretty much the same thing - manage the offense.

 

[OrangePA]

Well that certainly spurred a lot of discussion.

 

[Chip]

What do you think?

Who was further along in his development?

Who threw better? Who ran the ball better? Who was the better or more effective leader?

I think it's a close call.

I think overall, Terrel Hunt is the better athlete with a greater upside. I think it's pretty clear that he generated more offensive output than did Robin - but it's close since both were asked to do pretty much the same thing - manage the offense.

Good comparison, a lot of similarities, both redshirt sophomores, neither started the first 2 games of the year against the tougher non conference opponents. Similar strengths/styles. RJ had one leg up, having started a few games at the end of his redshirt freshman year.

Not sure who would be further in development, I'll leave that to those who know more about the position than me. I just really hope that Hunt doesn't take the step back that RJ did the following year.

Credit to RJ though, he really improved his senior year. Long line of SU QBs who were noticeably better in their senior year (McPherson, McNabb, Nunes, RJ, Perry, Nassib). Hopefully Hunt keeps trending up as a junior as well.

 

[jgeorge322]

I think hunt runs better. RJ throws a bit better but I think Hunt has more potential to grow. I think RJ had more offensive talent to work with.

 

[Hoov50]

RJ was a game manager. We won games because he didn't make mistakes, not because he did anything particularly well. I believe Hunt has already shown he has skills that can win games for us.

 

[RF2044]

My big fear around midseason was that Hunt would prove to have a very RJ like trajectory. I'd say that in terms of where each ranked on their respective developmental curves after their sophomore seasons, I'd give the edge to Hunt on the basis of his three solid performances to close the season.

Hunt had some rough patches, but if the Hunt we saw the final three games is what he's capable of doing not only throwing but as a dual threat, then he should go on to have a better career than RJ.

No offense to RJ.

 

[Nick44]

Excellent comparison. Here's the big difference - RJ had a coaching staff that tried to mold the player into the system. Versus this coaching staff which I think is learning to mold the system into the player(s) strengths. If this staff continues to do this, I have no doubt that Terrell will continue to grow.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I really don't recall anything about RJ which is a lot better than quite a few of our former qb's. I'll give you something I've been thinking though.

My comparison for Hunt, while watching our bowl game, was Tebow. Numbers wise hunt isn't close but hunt also didn't have Harvin, Murphy, etc making plays. Not a burner but can make plays running, off the shoulder throw that can be effective at this level but pro scouts hate, and an ability to make plays when given the freedom to do so.

 

[Millhouse]

I really don't recall anything about RJ which is a lot better than quite a few of our former qb's. I'll give you something I've been thinking though.

My comparison for Hunt, while watching our bowl game, was Tebow. Numbers wise hunt isn't close but hunt also didn't have Harvin, Murphy, etc making plays. Not a burner but can make plays running, off the shoulder throw that can be effective at this level but pro scouts hate, and an ability to make plays when given the freedom to do so.

oh come on

 

[Millhouse]

Good comparison, a lot of similarities, both redshirt sophomores, neither started the first 2 games of the year against the tougher non conference opponents. Similar strengths/styles. RJ had one leg up, having started a few games at the end of his redshirt freshman year.

Not sure who would be further in development, I'll leave that to those who know more about the position than me. I just really hope that Hunt doesn't take the step back that RJ did the following year.

Credit to RJ though, he really improved his senior year. Long line of SU QBs who were noticeably better in their senior year (McPherson, McNabb, Nunes, RJ, Perry, Nassib). Hopefully Hunt keeps trending up as a junior as well.

pretty amazing that RJ anderson threw for only 5 TD in 2001. his best TD total for a season was 10 his senior year - hunt had 10 this year

anderson's ceiling was a 124 rating, 114 overall. hunt has a 117 rating. i don't think anderson improved much. his senior year, he threw more TD and more int. higher comp %, lower YPA

i don't think anderson got better which was very disappointing. i think Hunt can end up better than anderson but we need more than that

 

[storange]

What do you think?

Who was further along in his development?

Who threw better? Who ran the ball better? Who was the better or more effective leader?

I think it's a close call.

I think overall, Terrel Hunt is the better athlete with a greater upside. I think it's pretty clear that he generated more offensive output than did Robin - but it's close since both were asked to do pretty much the same thing - manage the offense.

Based on the last two games I would say Hunt is already slightly better with more room for growth.

 

[ImperialOrange]

oh come on

Milly, you or I could've thrown 20+ TD's to Harvin and Murphy on WR screens standing behind those UF offensive lines. Feel free to give a better comparo though if youve got one.

 

[Millhouse]

Milly, you or I could've thrown 20+ TD's to Harvin and Murphy on WR screens standing behind those UF offensive lines. Feel free to give a better comparo though if youve got one.

the guy had 145 td (passing and rushing)

hunt is a poor man's bj daniels maybe

 

[ImperialOrange]

the guy had 145 td (passing and rushing)

hunt is a poor man's bj daniels maybe

BJ Daniels is a poor mans Millhouse.

Again, production wise it wasnt close Soph year to Soph year but running ability, throwing motion, and winning mentality is what I was comparing while taking into account supporting cast.

 

[Millhouse]

BJ Daniels is a poor mans Millhouse.

Again, production wise it wasnt close Soph year to Soph year but running ability, throwing motion, and winning mentality is what I was comparing while taking into account supporting cast.

why don't you tell us what you think his numbers would've been with BJ daniel's supporting cast?

i'm all for recognizing hunt's improvement. but Tebow? did the bath salts turn you into a cannibal between posts in this thread

 

[OrangePA]

I really don't recall anything about RJ which is a lot better than quite a few of our former qb's. I'll give you something I've been thinking though.

My comparison for Hunt, while watching our bowl game, was Tebow. Numbers wise hunt isn't close but hunt also didn't have Harvin, Murphy, etc making plays. Not a burner but can make plays running, off the shoulder throw that can be effective at this level but pro scouts hate, and an ability to make plays when given the freedom to do so.

Really tough comparison.

Tebow was a college superstar - Hunt is hardly in that category.

 

[ImperialOrange]

why don't you tell us what you think his numbers would've been with BJ daniel's supporting cast?

i'm all for recognizing hunt's improvement. but Tebow? did the bath salts turn you into a cannibal between posts in this thread

Why don't you tell us since that's your comparison?

Leave the insults on the OT board and key an actual thought of your own instead of asking me to do it for you bud.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Really tough comparison.

Tebow was a college superstar - Hunt is hardly in that category.

I realize as much but mechanics and taking over when needed was the comparo. Perhaps Broncos Tebow is a better comparo but couldn't come up with someone else throws that 3/4 off the shoulder motion and makes plays with their legs. I'm not selling Hunt for Heisman but you can see what I'm getting at mechanics wise, no?

 

[Chip]

pretty amazing that RJ anderson threw for only 5 TD in 2001. his best TD total for a season was 10 his senior year - hunt had 10 this year

anderson's ceiling was a 124 rating, 114 overall. hunt has a 117 rating. i don't think anderson improved much. his senior year, he threw more TD and more int. higher comp %, lower YPA

i don't think anderson got better which was very disappointing. i think Hunt can end up better than anderson but we need more than that

RJ wasn't great his senior year, but was much better than his junior year when he was benched early on and never heard from again. UNC game, Louisville game, BC game, WVU game. He didn't get a chance to put up numbers against the easier opponents because we ran for over 300 yards in those games. VT and Miami road trips swallowed him up, but that's not uncommon, happened to the best of them. He wasn't consistent, but certainly improved from how bad some of his games in prior years went.

2001 is a weird year to analyze him. Between Freeney and Mungro, his biggest job was to make sure there were no false starts and occasionally either throw a safe 3rd down pass, or throw one up for Morant to grab.

If Hunt continues to trend upward, and gets some more help at WR, he'll be better (and more consistent) by senior year.

 

[Millhouse]

RJ wasn't great his senior year, but was much better than his junior year when he was benched early on and never heard from again. UNC game, Louisville game, BC game, WVU game. He didn't get a chance to put up numbers against the easier opponents because we ran for over 300 yards in those games. VT and Miami road trips swallowed him up, but that's not uncommon, happened to the best of them. He wasn't consistent, but certainly improved from how bad some of his games in prior years went.

2001 is a weird year to analyze him. Between Freeney and Mungro, his biggest job was to make sure there were no false starts and occasionally either throw a safe 3rd down pass, or throw one up for Morant to grab.

If Hunt continues to trend upward, and gets some more help at WR, he'll be better (and more consistent) by senior year.

had to look at game logs - 2003 does remind me of 2013 except RJ stumbled down the stretch.

those pitt and rutgers games are pretty terrible, even if you throw out VT and Miami pretty weird how he alternated games. good bad good bad good bad good bad
formatting's weird http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/rj-anderson-1/gamelog/2003/

Rk Date School Opponent Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD
1 2003-09-06 Syracuse @ North Carolina W 20 33 60.6 288 3 0 163.9 10 13 1.3 0
2 2003-09-13 Syracuse Louisville L 19 30 63.3 229 0 0 127.5 9 36 4.0 0
3 2003-09-20 Syracuse Central Florida W 13 20 65.0 133 0 0 120.9 7 35 5.0 1
4 2003-09-27 Syracuse Toledo W 17 23 73.9 147 1 0 141.9 5 24 4.8 1
5 2003-10-11 Syracuse @ Virginia Tech L 8 23 34.8 91 0 0 68.0 6 24 4.0 0
6 2003-10-18 Syracuse Boston College W 20 27 74.1 215 3 0 177.6 12 73 6.1 1
7 2003-10-25 Syracuse @ Pittsburgh L 7 18 38.9 49 0 2 39.5 16 34 2.1 1
8 2003-11-08 Syracuse Temple W 16 20 80.0 221 1 1 179.3 14 39 2.8 1
9 2003-11-15 Syracuse @ Miami (FL) L 12 21 57.1 85 0 1 81.6 4 -10 -2.5 0
10 2003-11-22 Syracuse West Virginia L 23 36 63.9 336 2 0 160.6 8 31 3.9 0
11 2003-11-29 Syracuse @ Rutgers L 14 32 43.8 161 0 1 79.8 4 -20 -5.0 0
12 2003-12-06 Syracuse Notre Dame W 17 27 63.0 209 0 3 105.8 4 -17 -4.3 0

 

[Millhouse]

Why don't you tell us since that's your comparison?

Leave the insults on the OT board and key an actual thought of your own instead of asking me to do it for you bud.

since you already took tebow, I guess I'll say he's a combination of jamies winston and johnny manzeil with robert griffin's speed

 

[IthacaBarrel]

What TEBOW WAS A HEISMAN FREAKING WINNER

 

[Chip]

had to look at game logs - 2003 does remind me of 2013 except RJ stumbled down the stretch.

those pitt and rutgers games are pretty terrible, even if you throw out VT and Miami pretty weird how he alternated games. good bad good bad good bad good bad
formatting's weird http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/rj-anderson-1/gamelog/2003/

Rk Date School Opponent Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD
1 2003-09-06 Syracuse @ North Carolina W 20 33 60.6 288 3 0 163.9 10 13 1.3 0
2 2003-09-13 Syracuse Louisville L 19 30 63.3 229 0 0 127.5 9 36 4.0 0
3 2003-09-20 Syracuse Central Florida W 13 20 65.0 133 0 0 120.9 7 35 5.0 1
4 2003-09-27 Syracuse Toledo W 17 23 73.9 147 1 0 141.9 5 24 4.8 1
5 2003-10-11 Syracuse @ Virginia Tech L 8 23 34.8 91 0 0 68.0 6 24 4.0 0
6 2003-10-18 Syracuse Boston College W 20 27 74.1 215 3 0 177.6 12 73 6.1 1
7 2003-10-25 Syracuse @ Pittsburgh L 7 18 38.9 49 0 2 39.5 16 34 2.1 1
8 2003-11-08 Syracuse Temple W 16 20 80.0 221 1 1 179.3 14 39 2.8 1
9 2003-11-15 Syracuse @ Miami (FL) L 12 21 57.1 85 0 1 81.6 4 -10 -2.5 0
10 2003-11-22 Syracuse West Virginia L 23 36 63.9 336 2 0 160.6 8 31 3.9 0
11 2003-11-29 Syracuse @ Rutgers L 14 32 43.8 161 0 1 79.8 4 -20 -5.0 0
12 2003-12-06 Syracuse Notre Dame W 17 27 63.0 209 0 3 105.8 4 -17 -4.3 0

He was very inconsistent. I remember thinking we would have beat ND 51-3 if he hadn't played so poorly. Threw a terrible pick in the end zone when he had a wide open guy.

My one excuse for him is that that Rutgers game was in a driving wind storm. That was the game where not one, but two Rutgers kickoffs were hung up in it, came down short and Rutgers recovered. Probably the most miserable game I've ever attended, and certainly not a day for passers.

My hope is that Hunt's junior year will be more like good RJ from senior year. And then Hunt's senior year builds from that. After that point, we'll have at least 4 guys with plenty of experience ready to step right in. And the winner of that QB competition should have some pretty good WRs to throw to.

 

[ImperialOrange]

since you already took tebow, I guess I'll say he's a combination of jamies winston and johnny manzeil with robert griffin's speed

Well now that just sounds crazy but please tell me more about how Hunt is similar to any of those listed.

 

[Millhouse]

He was very inconsistent. I remember thinking we would have beat ND 51-3 if he hadn't played so poorly. Threw a terrible pick in the end zone when he had a wide open guy.

My one excuse for him is that that Rutgers game was in a driving wind storm. That was the game where not one, but two Rutgers kickoffs were hung up in it, came down short and Rutgers recovered. Probably the most miserable game I've ever attended, and certainly not a day for passers.

My hope is that Hunt's junior year will be more like good RJ from senior year. And then Hunt's senior year builds from that. After that point, we'll have at least 4 guys with plenty of experience ready to step right in. And the winner of that QB competition should have some pretty good WRs to throw to.

forgot about that game. i was freaking out that they didn't fair catch those kickoffs. totally unprepared. it also drives me nuts that teams don't try short kicks when there's a penalty before the kickoff, probably because of that game