Roberson - why no official review?

[kirbivore]

I remember a call against Cooney where he was leaning back doing the limbo and the defender was still chest to chest with him. Cooney brought brought the ball from his right to left side above his body, the defender flopped and Cooney got called for a foul. Might have been a tournament game.

The 2nd round game vs. Dayton

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I cant speak to the specifics in this case, but I will say that in the history of SU basketball, as long as this "elbowing review" thing has been going on, we are almost always on the short end of the stick. If our guys is being reviewed, its a flagrant, if their guy is being reviewed, its nothing. Time and time and time and time and time and time again. In this case, it wasnt even reviewed.

 

[pfister1]

I was truly ok with how that was officiated. I thought they got the play right.

Yes, the Pitt player's elbow contact with Roberson's nose drew blood but I didn't think the Pitt kid did anything that was unnecessary or egregious...ie. He did not wildly swing the elbows. Why review if it's correct and all three officials saw it the same way? There is too much reliance on the review already. It's sports sometimes things that should be fouls or penalties go uncalled, its the nature of the game. In this case they had it correct.

I also didn't think they should stop play for the injury. Stop play if the injured player is in the way and might get hurt or cause someone else to get hurt or if he needs immediate medical attention (e.g. a Hank Gathers collapse situation) otherwise play on. Otherwise you end up with situations where advantages are getting held up over phantom injuries.

 

[GoCuse08]

I don't know the official rule, but I always assumed it was only a foul if the offending player intentionally raised his elbows and contact was made (incidental or not). In this case, the Pitt player reached up for the rebound, got the ball and then made contact simply from the fact that he was landing while holding onto the ball. I don't think he intentionally moved his elbow, Roberson just happened to be underneath it.

I was good with them not reviewing it. If they did review it, depending on the rule in the books, they might have been forced to call the foul, and I don't think that would be right. If the roles were reversed, I certainly wouldn't want a Syracuse player being called for a foul in that situation.

^ This...looked like he was just coming down with the rebound and Robersons face got in the way. Unfortunate for Roberson but no need to waste time with an official review.

 

[tbonezone]

as stated above i don't think it was flagrant. but the pitt player definitely had one elbow shoulder high and the contact elbow conveniently "chicken winged" to his side.
we've seen this played reviewed when opponents practically attack our elbows with their heads. given the amount of blood they should have at least gone to the monitor. they had to stop play anyways to mop up and bleach the crime scene.

 

[SWC75]

as stated above i don't think it was flagrant. but the pitt player definitely had one elbow shoulder high and the contact elbow conveniently "chicken winged" to his side.
we've seen this played reviewed when opponents practically attack our elbows with their heads. given the amount of blood they should have at least gone to the monitor. they had to stop play anyways to mop up and bleach the crime scene.

As mentioned, we've debated this before and I've always maintained intent should be a part of it and was told that intent should not be considered: just the result. Now our guy gets clocked and nothing should be done because there was no intent. I agree with you: even if you consider intent, you still need to look at the monitor even to determine that.

 

[CaptainJ]

As mentioned, we've debated this before and I've always maintained intent should be a part of it and was told that intent should not be considered: just the result. Now our guy gets clocked and nothing should be done because there was no intent. I agree with you: even if you consider intent, you still need to look at the monitor even to determine that.

I'm not taking a position, other than it was amazing how different the announcers' reactions were to most folks on here. Is it possible for once they actually knew what they were talking about and were being more efficient than we'd like, or was there really a fix in as some have suggested? It's amazing how some folks can believe such things while also believing the "official" report on 9/11. (by the way, I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong about the SU fix).

 

[jgeorge322]

i may be off, but i dont think it was a foul. it sucks tyler was hurt, but they're both going for the ball and pitt guy beat him to it.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

as stated above i don't think it was flagrant. but the pitt player definitely had one elbow shoulder high and the contact elbow conveniently "chicken winged" to his side.
we've seen this played reviewed when opponents practically attack our elbows with their heads. given the amount of blood they should have at least gone to the monitor. they had to stop play anyways to mop up and bleach the crime scene.

I haven't seen the play yet, but what you described sounds like textbook rebounding position that has been taught since the days of the peach basket. Grab the ball and get big with your shoulders and elbows.

Sounds like a good basketball play to me.

 

[tbonezone]

hey me too. wes unseld big boy ball. that's the way i was taught. unfortunately these days it's a foul. and as steve says above i don't think intention is part of the equation.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

hey me too. wes unseld big boy ball. that's the way i was taught. unfortunately these days it's a foul. and as steve says above i don't think intention is part of the equation.

Yeah, I get it. I think it depends on when the elbow is used. If it's on the motion of coming down with the ball on the initial rebound then it's not a foul, but if you turn with elbows held high, then it's a foul. Again, didn't see it so I can't really figure this one out.

 

[tbonezone]

they toughened up the elbow rules in 2010 and then backed off a little in 2013.
i didn't see clearly what what happened but given the severity of the injury at least take a look.

 

[orangecuse]

Yeah, I get it. I think it depends on when the elbow is used. If it's on the motion of coming down with the ball on the initial rebound then it's not a foul, but if you turn with elbows held high, then it's a foul. Again, didn't see it so I can't really figure this one out.

Per the replay, that's precisely what occurred according to my observation...the Pitt guy was in the motion of coming down with the ball as you elude and Roberson's face was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time...the non-call was the right call imo.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Did anyone hear the reason why there wasn't an official review?

From what I understand the refs wanted to stay out of it as "it was a police matter."

 

[tbonezone]

 

[cpatrocks]

What I don't understand is JB's comment about not seeing anything. It really doesn't matter if he saw something or not. There is no penalty for asking the ref's to take another look.

One of your players looks like he just lost a fight with Mike Tyson and the ball boys are cleaning blood off the floor. They were already taking a long break, might as well ask them to go to the monitors.

The question seems to be - at what point are the officials inclined to go to the monitors? If a coach asks them to look are they obligated?