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Rooting For The Miami Hurricanes

I hate Miami when we are playing them. They have that Darth Vader type presence.

But I always root for them when they play SEC or Big Ten teams. College football is fun when they're kicking ass.

The only team I may root for to beat Miami is Ole Miss, because I think them winning a title after their coaches bail would be the best 30 for 30 story ever.
 
H2H wins when it comes down to the last min does not prove one team is better than another. It means yoy won.

Thats like saying a team that wins a bb game on a 70ft heave at the buzzer.

ND and Miami went on to have 2 loss seasons. Miami had a better last 2 min of the first game. Miami was probably a better team most of that first game. In the end the goal is also to decided who had the better year not who had the better game.

I don't care that Miami is in and ND is out. Miami caused most of its own issues by losing to teams it shouldn't have. But they don't get punished for bad playing in those games.
 
bnoro said:
"The better team doesn't always win head to head" is the most college football brained statement I've ever heard. Teams get better across a season, but head-to-head is the biggest data point you can have when it comes to comparing two teams in a sport where comparison is near impossible.
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How about we temper this a little bit? Because head to head is a very, very flawed metric. By this logic, Florida State is better than Alabama because they won head-to-head. Period, end of story. In that case, is H2H 'the biggest data point"? Or is it an obviously flawed outlier data point?

The difference in Notre Dame-Miami is records, SOS, computer metrics, etc were all really close. Head to head is a reasonable tie-breaker in that case. But saying its "the biggest data point" leads to some real transitive property nonsense where App State is better than Alabama.

If the committee opted to weight H2H higher to select Miami, fine. If they opted not to and looked at other factors, fine. But your insistence that H2H is all that should ever matter and this was an obvious decision is absurd.
 
orangepassion said:
I think both ND and Miami have looked better than Bama in recent weeks, but knew they wouldn't mess with Bama.
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They're not going to penalize the 2nd place SEC team for losing in the conference title game, no matter how bad they looked.
 
Eric15 said:
I hate Miami when we are playing them. They have that Darth Vader type presence.

But I always root for them when they play SEC or Big Ten teams. College football is fun when they're kicking ass.

The only team I may root for to beat Miami is Ole Miss, because I think them winning a title after their coaches bail would be the best 30 for 30 story ever.
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I miss the old 80s, early 90s Miami Hurricanes. I hated them...but I LOVED hating them. Mets in the mid-80s were the same type of team...except I was a Mets fan and loved that everyone hated them.

Everyone is so vanilla now, with players getting coached on how to not answer questions in 500 words. I miss the old teams that leaned into being the villain - that was way more fun.
 
Cusefan95 said:
I miss the old 80s, early 90s Miami Hurricanes. I hated them...but I LOVED hating them. Mets in the mid-80s were the same type of team...except I was a Mets fan and loved that everyone hated them.

Everyone is so vanilla now, with players getting coached on how to not answer questions in 500 words. I miss the old teams that leaned into being the villain - that was way more fun.
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Vanilla is right. I don't get the half-hearted boos that rain down when a visiting team comes out of the tunnel. They're just another opponent. They didn't steal your girlfriend.

Now a bad call on the other hand? I can boo that all day.
 
I understand the ACC benefit and that we are discussing choices among several loathsome programs.

There is nothing - nothing - that is gpng to make me root for Miami.
 
upperdeck said:
H2H wins when it comes down to the last min does not prove one team is better than another. It means yoy won.

Thats like saying a team that wins a bb game on a 70ft heave at the buzzer.

ND and Miami went on to have 2 loss seasons. Miami had a better last 2 min of the first game. Miami was probably a better team most of that first game. In the end the goal is also to decided who had the better year not who had the better game.

I don't care that Miami is in and ND is out. Miami caused most of its own issues by losing to teams it shouldn't have. But they don't get punished for bad playing in those games.
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Alabama getting blown out by a bad team should have disqualified them in the 1st game of the season. The only way you could possibly justify putting them in after that is is if they went undefeated the rest of the way.
And they would have to beat everyone by a good margin.
 
MadNY3 said:
Well, geez, it looks like we should not have rooted so hard for Miami. Apparently the ACC lobbied for its full-time member and the Notre Lame AD is throwing a public tizzy because of it.
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How much of the Notre Dame money if they make the playoff goes to the ACC? Oh, right - nothing.

I can 100% defend the decision to not play in a bowl game - people ripping on Notre Dame for that are dopes. But a tantrum because a business partner took action since it would help them - even though it might hurt you - is completely indefensible.

This had the opposite effect on me - I didn't really care who got in prior to about 30 minutes ago. Now - I'm glad ND got left out. Screw 'em.
 
ND was given a gift by the ACC in order to have a season during covid, they should've stayed a full member of the conference from that point on. The ACC did the obvious and right thing to vouch for its full members over the partial parasite that is Notre Dame. Just sever the tie already and let their other sports lose in the Big East.
 
Cusefan95 said:
How about we temper this a little bit? Because head to head is a very, very flawed metric. By this logic, Florida State is better than Alabama because they won head-to-head. Period, end of story. In that case, is H2H 'the biggest data point"? Or is it an obviously flawed outlier data point?

The difference in Notre Dame-Miami is records, SOS, computer metrics, etc were all really close. Head to head is a reasonable tie-breaker in that case. But saying its "the biggest data point" leads to some real transitive property nonsense where App State is better than Alabama.

If the committee opted to weight H2H higher to select Miami, fine. If they opted not to and looked at other factors, fine. But your insistence that H2H is all that should ever matter and this was an obvious decision is absurd.
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Never said anything about transitive property. When the teams have similar metrics and played each other, yes it is an obvious decision. You pick the team that won the game.
 
bnoro said:
How did they take pity on the conference? Miami deserved to get in over ND because they beat them on the football field.
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I agree but you can’t honestly say Miami is better than nd right now. Nd is better than bama also.
 
baggerbob said:
Alabama getting blown out by a bad team should have disqualified them in the 1st game of the season. The only way you could possibly justify putting them in after that is is if they went undefeated the rest of the way.
And they would have to beat everyone by a good margin.
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After last year when SMU got in over Bama I have a feeling the committee felt they "owed" Bama and wasn't going to leave them out no matter the outcome of the SEC title game. I believe on pure merit Bama has looked like crap for a month and should have been left out but that's how it went down IMO.
 
kirbivore said:
After last year when SMU got in over Bama I have a feeling the committee felt they "owed" Bama and wasn't going to leave them out no matter the outcome of the SEC title game. I believe on pure merit Bama has looked like crap for a month and should have been left out but that's how it went down IMO.
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I think SMU got in last year because they don't want playing in a conference championship game to knock out a team that otherwise would have been in. I think Alabama got in this year because they don't want playing in a conference championship game to knock out a team that otherwise would have been in. BYU was #11 going into the conference championship - if they didn't play they would have been knocked out anyway.

It appears they're setting an unwritten standard that losing in a conference championship game won't knock you out. You can play yourself in though, so if that's correct its a fatally inconsistent approach.
 
Cusefan95 said:
I think SMU got in last year because they don't want playing in a conference championship game to knock out a team that otherwise would have been in. I think Alabama got in this year because they don't want playing in a conference championship game to knock out a team that otherwise would have been in. BYU was #11 going into the conference championship - if they didn't play they would have been knocked out anyway.

It appears they're setting an unwritten standard that losing in a conference championship game won't knock you out. You can play yourself in though, so if that's correct its a fatally inconsistent approach.
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But they shot themselves in the foot with the maneuvering of schools up and down in the “rankings” which turn out be fairly subjective (and worthless except for the final one).
 
upperdeck said:
H2H wins when it comes down to the last min does not prove one team is better than another. It means yoy won.

Thats like saying a team that wins a bb game on a 70ft heave at the buzzer.

ND and Miami went on to have 2 loss seasons. Miami had a better last 2 min of the first game. Miami was probably a better team most of that first game. In the end the goal is also to decided who had the better year not who had the better game.

I don't care that Miami is in and ND is out. Miami caused most of its own issues by losing to teams it shouldn't have. But they don't get punished for bad playing in those games.
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what is the first tiw breaker in any league you have ever played in?
 

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