Rumor: Kim McCloud out

[Grbac]

Not sure what Norwood has done in his 30yrs of coaching that would warrant him consideration to be our DC. Has ties with Babers in their coaching tree?
Apparently Norwood and Niumatalolo are great friends. So why would he leave?
I hope Babers makes the best hire and not just a guy he has ties with.

 

[reedny]

I really doubt this is the case. From what I've been told, DB has decision making power for all hires.

Seems like there would have to be AD involvement on the salary side.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Well there are two Greenes.

Mean Joe and Nathanael.

 

[CuseLegacy]

But what about cost? Does Dino have discretion on staff salaries? Or his is staff salary budget fixed ... and if so, could he ask JW for more money for a certain hire? Either way it seems like there would have to be AD involvement on the salary side.

They all have an agent who I'm sure negotiates their salary every year when their contracts are renewed. So yes, the AD and SU are probably involved in salary negotiations but that doesn't mean JW is involved in choice of hire.

 

[CuseLegacy]

And fwiw, probably nothing, about a week ago McCloud started following Dana Holgorsen

 

[007]

But what about cost? Does Dino have discretion on staff salaries? Or his is staff salary budget fixed ... and if so, could he ask JW for more money for a certain hire? Either way it seems like there would have to be AD involvement on the salary side.

I was responding specifically to the OP's theory that the hold up could be due to JW "challenging" DB on the value of [any] hire. I strongly doubt this is the case.

The issue of salary is a different point entirely. Behind the scenes, JW has supported DB by trying to get him whatever he needs. This has included a salary increase for his staff prior to this season. But i agree, JW will be involved in any increase in salary.

 

[rrlbees]

Dino probably has a budget for assistants. If he stays in the budget, no approval needed. If he’s looking to go over, then approval is probably needed.

 

[Cusefan69]

For clarity when I said I would think Wildhack would challenge him, I was not connecting to any hold up. Strangely I had this impression that WH and Dino would grab breakfast and Dino would run through his proposed changes to the staff and I just figured that would be where Wildhack would challenge his thinking on what the candidates would be bringing to the table. Mindset, defense philosophy, ability to adjust quickly, etc. Less formal, more informal.

 

[007]

Exactly what I was getting at. DB may pick the guy ... but I believe it's SU's checkbook. That's why I was suggesting that a new hire is likely a joint coaching/AD decision. Great to hear that JW is stepping up!

Again, from what I've been told, DB has unilateral decision making power on who gets offered. It is not a joint decision with the AD. Salary is separate issue and always involves JW.

JW is not "stepping up" per se, has always supported DB.

 

[reedny]

Dino probably has a budget for assistants. If he stays in the budget, no approval needed. If he’s looking to go over, then approval is probably needed.

Exactly what I was trying to point out to 007. Thx, Bees.

 

[orangepassion]

Bob Shoop would be a fantastic hire. I think this hire will be very telling in how serious SU and/or Dino are about playing with the big boys. Believe McCloud was assistant HC, so should free up some moolah. Need some strong hires, particularly at DC.

 

[Cuseman78]

Bob Shoop would be a fantastic hire. I think this hire will be very telling in how serious SU and/or Dino are about playing with the big boys. Believe McCloud was assistant HC, so should free up some moolah. Need some strong hires, particularly at DC.

mccloud was demoted coming into thisyear. Lustig took his spot as Associate HC.

 

[PAcuse]

Like most have said two demotions in his tenure with Dino.
He was one I thought would be shuffled or not resigned.
Will be interesting to see if the new DC brings in someone or maybe we had another coach to the offensive side

 

[bcubs9497]

Not necessarily a GA at Syracuse. I think at this point it’s Norwood plus promotion of a high potential GA. Not the direction I would go bit just speculating.

interesting...

 

[money3189]

Not sure what Norwood has done in his 30yrs of coaching that would warrant him consideration to be our DC. Has ties with Babers in their coaching tree?
Apparently Norwood and Niumatalolo are great friends. So why would he leave?
I hope Babers makes the best hire and not just a guy he has ties with.

Norwood is not my first choice by any means but to say he doesn't have a resume to be considered is wrong.

 

[Moontan]

Norwood is not my first choice by any means but to say he doesn't have a resume to be considered is wrong.

If it’s Norwood, then I would expect #2 to be someone that he’s worked with before. To have it be meaningful it won’t be a GA. He needs to get the buy-in of the entire D staff. Bringing in someone that’s already “on his side” who blends in with the existing staff would be a plus.

 

[Grbac]

Norwood is not my first choice by any means but to say he doesn't have a resume to be considered is wrong.

Ok tell me what he has done that would make him worthy of consideration. We are talking a big ACC school. A school that needs a really great homerun hire to turn our defense around.
Someone who has proven they can do that as well as recruit good strong players.

 

[cusefan88]

Ok tell me what he has done that would make him worthy of consideration. We are talking a big ACC school. A school that needs a really great homerun hire to turn our defense around.
Someone who has proven they can do that as well as recruit good strong players.

15 years of P5 experience as a position coach, DC, and AHC. 6 years recruiting for Penn State. From Prince George County in Maryland.

Let's be honest, Cuse is in the ACC, not a "big ACC school". Norwood to me would be a fine hire.

 

[qdawgg]

15 years of P5 experience as a position coach, DC, and AHC. 6 years recruiting for Penn State. From Prince George County in Maryland.

Let's be honest, Cuse is in the ACC, not a "big ACC school". Norwood to me would be a fine hire.

Sure, if he’s coming on as a position coach. He’s been a DC once at Baylor for 3 years and his D’s didn’t put up great numbers against FBS competition. He was then never a DC again. So yes, as a position coach I think he’s a good hire. As the DC of a team that fired its DC after a 10 win season and an offense that was not very good either, the new DC should have some history of coaching good D units and he just doesn’t. So it’s a gamble, 3 losing seasons out of 4 doesn’t seem like the time to gamble with a guy that didn’t do great the only time he’s been the guy.

 

[money3189]

Ok tell me what he has done that would make him worthy of consideration. We are talking a big ACC school. A school that needs a really great homerun hire to turn our defense around.
Someone who has proven they can do that as well as recruit good strong players.

He has a lot of experience as a DC. He was a DC at Baylor, K state, Tulsa and Navy, and learned a lot about defense at Penn st. To say he doesn't have the resume to be considered for a low level P5 job is untrue. There are DB coaches getting DC positions. Look, Ive already said I wouldn't want him. Maybe as a Co DC. His numbers at Tulsa doesn't impress me at all. Based on the names mentioned I would rather have Newberry or White.

 

[kcsu]

Lets hope Dino has the Chops and the budget to hire a strong DC.

 

[orangepassion]

I bet Dino informed him about this a while ago and kept it quiet to make it easier for him to find another job

 

[kcsu]

So Norwood becomes DC and coaches the CBs.

 

[CuseLegacy]

So Norwood becomes DC and coaches the CBs.

Not necessarily.

 

[SmilinBob]

I say bring Norm Gerber back.