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Run and stop the run is idiotic

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8-3 being 55th in yards per pass, 129th in yards per rush, 50th in yards per pass defense, and 118th in rushing defense

Why are we 8-3? We throw 60% of the time and our opponents throw 50% of the time

Don't run and don't stop the run makes more sense. Would be best to be good at everything of course but throw decent and throw a lot is a recipe for being pretty good
 
If we can sustain our 3rd and 4th down play, then sure. IMO a lot of that success has to do with #6, who won't be here next year.

We go for it on 4th down 2.7 times per FBS game and convert 1.9 per game. We are tied for 5th nationally with 15.9 3rd downs per game and are 10th nationally on conversion %.

So in total those 159 times (we face a lot of these) our drive was about to end on downs, we extended the drive 95 times or 59.75% of the time. Can we realistically keep that going?

Also if you cannot stop the run you have games like BC every year. We shouldn't lose games like that.
 
8-3 being 55th in yards per pass, 129th in yards per rush, 50th in yards per pass defense, and 118th in rushing defense

Why are we 8-3? We throw 60% of the time and our opponents throw 50% of the time

Don't run and don't stop the run makes more sense. Would be best to be good at everything of course but throw decent and throw a lot is a recipe for being pretty good
See No. 6
 
8-3 being 55th in yards per pass, 129th in yards per rush, 50th in yards per pass defense, and 118th in rushing defense

Why are we 8-3? We throw 60% of the time and our opponents throw 50% of the time

Don't run and don't stop the run makes more sense. Would be best to be good at everything of course but throw decent and throw a lot is a recipe for being pretty good
In the history of the game the play profile of this team is so far out of the norm as to be almost unique. If it can be replicated without McCord I’d be pleasantly shocked.
 
If we can sustain our 3rd and 4th down play, then sure. IMO a lot of that success has to do with #6, who won't be here next year.

We go for it on 4th down 2.7 times per FBS game and convert 1.9 per game. We are tied for 5th nationally with 15.9 3rd downs per game and are 10th nationally on conversion %.

So in total those 159 times (we face a lot of these) our drive was about to end on downs, we extended the drive 95 times or 59.75% of the time. Can we realistically keep that going?

Also if you cannot stop the run you have games like BC every year. We shouldn't lose games like that.
You won't go undefeated this way, I agree. But bc was just a clunker throwing the ball, typical passing gives us a chance in a shootout

McCord is not really much different on 3rd down than any other down. We are 40th in passer rating on third down (1st in attempts)- we are also 40th on first down (2nd in attempts) 81st on second down (first in attempts)

We are 101st in 3rd and ten+, it's not like we are great situationally. 58th in 3rd and 7-9 to go. 57th in 3rd and 4-6 to go

We are 81st in passer rating on second down and first in attempts on second down

There is no situation where we excel other than 3rd and 1-3 to go where we are 16th best and throw the most.

90% of this is just throwing a lot
 
In the history of the game the play profile of this team is so far out of the norm as to be almost unique. If it can be replicated without McCord I’d be pleasantly shocked.
McCord's per pass performance both overall and in almost every situational stat is not exceptional

It's all volume. The volume comes from passing being better than running which gives you more first downs
 
McCord's per pass performance both overall and in almost every situational stat is not exceptional

It's all volume. The volume comes from passing being better than running which gives you more first downs
Cumulatively it is exceptional. I agree it is a function of volume, but that fact he’s only thrown 7 picks in games not against Pitt is absurd.

It’s not like this is sink and dunk west coast and it isn’t art briles spread.

This is unique in college
 
Cumulatively it is exceptional. I agree it is a function of volume, but that fact he’s only thrown 7 picks in games not against Pitt is absurd.

It’s not like this is sink and dunk west coast and it isn’t art briles spread.

This is unique in college
I am not going to complain because they throw so much but I do worry a little about this kitchen sink pro style approach. McCord might be unusually smart and might be masking problems with that pro style approach long term
 
I am not going to complain because they throw so much but I do worry a little about this kitchen sink pro style approach. McCord might be unusually smart and might be masking problems with that pro style approach long term

I'm hoping that Williams has paid a lot of attention to the things McCord does on and off the field.

Also, I'm curious on how much of a role Nunzio has in this success. He's a key factor on how well this develops if all things remain the same.
 
All McCord is masking is an avg oline that can't run.

A better oline and i think we throw less for the same % but we throw for the same yds perhaps which equates to more bigger plays

The three losses all came because of turnovers plain and simple. Thats a pretty big step up for a team like ours. Pitt caused them. The other two games are on us. even Pitt we moved the ball or turned it over.

I don't know that we can come close to this next year with the harder schedule. But maybe the oline get better.
 
Gotta give McCord extra points for continuing to find receivers and rack up the yardage when opponents know we are all about passing and aren’t going to run much
 
Yeah, but the board says we need to go back to a noodle armed QB that can run.
I think too many people believe that mobile QB = bad passer. That doesn't have to be the case. I'm watching Drake Maye disprove that every Sunday.

It'll be immensely difficult to replace McCord's passing skill set. Guy is the best I've seen at SU in that regard. Since I'm convinced we'll never have anything better than an average OL here, I just hope we can find someone who has, say, 65% of McCord's passing skill set, but has 135% of his mobility. Then we might be OK-ish.
 
There are clearly plays where a mobile QB might bring some value. Even the few runs he made he might have had 4-5 tds with some speed.

I hope hope we fix the running game which makes the throwing windows better and we don't need elite skill and decision making so much.
 
I think too many people believe that mobile QB = bad passer. That doesn't have to be the case. I'm watching Drake Maye disprove that every Sunday.

It'll be immensely difficult to replace McCord's passing skill set. Guy is the best I've seen at SU in that regard. Since I'm convinced we'll never have anything better than an average OL here, I just hope we can find someone who has, say, 65% of McCord's passing skill set, but has 135% of his mobility. Then we might be OK-ish.
Drake Maye was a top pick in the draft and 5 star recruit. If we can get a guy like him I would be ecstatic, but I see suggestions regarding Sluka who is a Schrader clone and it drives me crazy. Eric Dungey is the lowest level passer I would want to see as dual threat QB here. You start recruiting guys who can’t pass and say goodbye to getting any good receivers.
 
I am not going to complain because they throw so much but I do worry a little about this kitchen sink pro style approach. McCord might be unusually smart and might be masking problems with that pro style approach long term
I don't think the current offense is what Nixon is set in running for the future. He's just running what fits our personnel at the moment. McCord is a very accurate passer and very smart. We are centering the offense around that. He brought in a couple tackles to help in protecting him as they knew that would be an issue and they are not good run blockers. Unfortunately they are average at best out there pass blocking on the edge as well. We play a very quick passing game as we can't block longer than that. McCord has been very efficient considering those limitations. Every team knows we are passing a lot and it will be a quick throw coming out of his hand in typically less than 2 seconds. Hard to be too successful on all of those when they can jump all of these short routes and not worry much about the run. I've been pleasantly surprised by the efficiency after the Pitt game. Considering how bad we block in the run game and really we are just a less than average pass blocking unit it is amazing how productive our offense has been. I thought we might be in for a typical second half collapse of the season. Nixon and McCord have done excellent. I do have some concerns for the future of the offense after McCord. We really need to develop an OL.
 
Bingo
That is my concern as well. We really don’t know if Nixon is a good coordinator yet. Competent probably but beyond that who knows.
 
I don't think the current offense is what Nixon is set in running for the future. He's just running what fits our personnel at the moment. McCord is a very accurate passer and very smart. We are centering the offense around that. He brought in a couple tackles to help in protecting him as they knew that would be an issue and they are not good run blockers. Unfortunately they are average at best out there pass blocking on the edge as well. We play a very quick passing game as we can't block longer than that. McCord has been very efficient considering those limitations. Every team knows we are passing a lot and it will be a quick throw coming out of his hand in typically less than 2 seconds. Hard to be too successful on all of those when they can jump all of these short routes and not worry much about the run. I've been pleasantly surprised by the efficiency after the Pitt game. Considering how bad we block in the run game and really we are just a less than average pass blocking unit it is amazing how productive our offense has been. I thought we might be in for a typical second half collapse of the season. Nixon and McCord have done excellent. I do have some concerns for the future of the offense after McCord. We really need to develop an OL.
I'm trying to say it in a positive way but I really hope this isn't an accident or, if it is an accident, we learn from it. Kinda like how the nineties bills went no huddle after they realized, hey we are good at this by accident

A recruiter going 8-3 to start out, deserves the benefit of the doubt but I really hope this approach sticks
 
I am not going to complain because they throw so much but I do worry a little about this kitchen sink pro style approach. McCord might be unusually smart and might be masking problems with that pro style approach long term

Bingo

Yeah, but the board says we need to go back to a noodle armed QB that can run.

I think too many people believe that mobile QB = bad passer. That doesn't have to be the case. I'm watching Drake Maye disprove that every Sunday.

It'll be immensely difficult to replace McCord's passing skill set. Guy is the best I've seen at SU in that regard. Since I'm convinced we'll never have anything better than an average OL here, I just hope we can find someone who has, say, 65% of McCord's passing skill set, but has 135% of his mobility. Then we might be OK-ish.
So I put all of these in here because I agree with most of what's stated here. The one thing I think is worth pointing out, however, is just how good McCord is. He makes every throw. Love on deep balls that he keeps them in play. It will lead to an interception here and there (like when Hatcher doesn't make a good play on the ball in the air) but also gives you a chance at a completion or a PI.

He is smart enough, confident enough and talented enough to attack down the seam. A lot of decent QBs spend a ton of time outside the hashes, hesitant to really attack the middle of the field. Not McCord. He has had some bad throws there and been picked (and nearly picked a few more times), but he has done well on those throws overall.

He gets the ball out quickly and decisively. Those little throws we make that are basically running plays, he's on time and putting the ball in the right place. That timing and touch is so important on those plays.

He uses his eyes well. Every QB will occasionally stare down a receiver but McCord moves the defense with his eyes often and rarely gets fixated on one particular target. He has good arm strength but throws and exceptionally catchable ball.

So this is a long way of saying -- I like the idea of throwing a lot and I don't think McCord is irreplaceable ... BUT this isn't simply a matter of a passer vs. a runner. This offense, at least as currently constructed, is going to need a good group of WRs and a true passer, not just a kid with a big arm or a kid that is capable of making big plays and putting up big numbers from time to time.

Hoping Fran and co. can figure out who's next but if I have a mild concern it's that I think McCord is a really polished passer as college qbs go and may be difficult to replace.
 
I'm hoping that Williams has paid a lot of attention to the things McCord does on and off the field.

Also, I'm curious on how much of a role Nunzio has in this success. He's a key factor on how well this develops if all things remain the same.
I'm not knocking Nunzio at all here and he may well be a good influence. But McCord was a really experienced guy who has looked really, really composed and in control since the first game of the year (ironically, not the first series, when he nearly got picked twice and we were lucky to have a three-and-out). In this instance I think we happened to bring in a guy who was already a pretty finished product. I do hope the other QBs are trying to learn from him though.
 
So I put all of these in here because I agree with most of what's stated here. The one thing I think is worth pointing out, however, is just how good McCord is. He makes every throw. Love on deep balls that he keeps them in play. It will lead to an interception here and there (like when Hatcher doesn't make a good play on the ball in the air) but also gives you a chance at a completion or a PI.

He is smart enough, confident enough and talented enough to attack down the seam. A lot of decent QBs spend a ton of time outside the hashes, hesitant to really attack the middle of the field. Not McCord. He has had some bad throws there and been picked (and nearly picked a few more times), but he has done well on those throws overall.

He gets the ball out quickly and decisively. Those little throws we make that are basically running plays, he's on time and putting the ball in the right place. That timing and touch is so important on those plays.

He uses his eyes well. Every QB will occasionally stare down a receiver but McCord moves the defense with his eyes often and rarely gets fixated on one particular target. He has good arm strength but throws and exceptionally catchable ball.

So this is a long way of saying -- I like the idea of throwing a lot and I don't think McCord is irreplaceable ... BUT this isn't simply a matter of a passer vs. a runner. This offense, at least as currently constructed, is going to need a good group of WRs and a true passer, not just a kid with a big arm or a kid that is capable of making big plays and putting up big numbers from time to time.

Hoping Fran and co. can figure out who's next but if I have a mild concern it's that I think McCord is a really polished passer as college qbs go and may be difficult to replace.
I agree completely. My point was simply that we should aspire to replace as much of McCord’s passing ability as possible. I don’t want another Shrader. We need real QBs in this program. If they can move a little that’s great. But I also don’t want more Slukas.
 
I agree completely. My point was simply that we should aspire to replace as much of McCord’s passing ability as possible. I don’t want another Shrader. We need real QBs in this program. If they can move a little that’s great. But I also don’t want more Slukas.
Agreed ... though i hesitate to hammer shrader because I loved the kid's toughness. But, to your stated point, we need to be more potent throwing the football than shrader or players like him allow us to be.
 
Agreed ... though i hesitate to hammer shrader because I loved the kid's toughness. But, to your stated point, we need to be more potent throwing the football than shrader or players like him allow us to be.
For sure. I’m not anti-Shrader. The guy did the best he could and won a lot of games for us. I just don’t want any more “QBs” like that playing for us.
 

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