Rushing YPA breakdown by groups of players

[Millhouse]

Fredericks, Morris, Strickland, Phillips,
5.5 ypc 83 carries

Dungey, McFarlane, Hill, Estime, Lewis
3.3 ypc 91 carries

Since some are sacks, throw out Dungey. Let's take out Hill because all his carries were vs URI

McFarlane, Estime, Lewis
3.1 ypc 32 carries.

This is why i don't like the hybrid. They're waste too many plays running the ball with guys who are no threat. Estime and Lewis don't need to get carries. If that means they play more WR and the other guys bear more of the hybrid work load, fine. If that means we run fewer plays with the hybrid, fine.

If you want to fix the running game, start giving the ball to the guys who are good at running all the time. not that hard

 

[TheCusian]

Fredericks, Morris, Strickland, Phillips, 5.5 ypc 83 carries Dungey, McFarlane, Hill, Estime, Lewis 3.3 ypc 91 carries Since some are sacks, throw out Dungey. Let's take out Hill because all his carries were vs URI McFarlane, Estime, Lewis 3.1 ypc 32 carries. This is why i don't like the hybrid. They're waste too many plays running the ball with guys who are no threat. Estime and Lewis don't need to get carries. If that means they play more WR and the other guys bear more of the hybrid work load, fine. If that means we run fewer plays with the hybrid, fine. If you want to fix the running game, start giving the ball to the guys who are good at running all the time. not that hard

I don't disagree. Especially about Lewis. But I think the value of that position is the question marks and mismatches it creates with pre-snap motion.

It creates passing opportunities for Erv and Lewis - who we've seen catch the ball a lot with not a lot of defenders around them. Especially valuable on third down.

I think you'll continue to see Erv running the ball. And he should.

All that being said - I want to see more Fredericks no matter what. He's not bad catching the ball either.

 

[Millhouse]

I don't disagree. Especially about Lewis. But I think the value of that position is the question marks and mismatches it creates with pre-snap motion.

It creates passing opportunities for Erv and Lewis - who we've seen catch the ball a lot with not a lot of defenders around them. Especially valuable on third down.

I think you'll continue to see Erv running the ball. And he should.

All that being said - I want to see more Fredericks no matter what. He's not bad catching the ball either.

throwing away plays is why we're 80th in yards per play

 

[Finwad32]

throwing away plays is why we're 80th in yards per play

It's not all black and white like that... you might not have the same success on the bigger plays if the defense doesn't have to honor everything you're doing. If you only utilize player x for one or two things it's that much easier for the defense to gameplan.

 

[Millhouse]

Fredericks is our best ball carrier and he got 1/4 of the non-dungey carries Saturday.

if we have to sh!tcan the expressback to change that, fine

 

[Finwad32]

I do agree that your best backs need to see more of the carries though.

 

[Millhouse]

It's not all black and white like that... you might not have the same success on the bigger plays if the defense doesn't have to honor everything you're doing. If you only utilize player x for one or two things it's that much easier for the defense to gameplan.

ok so that means that if not for the hybrid, we'd be lower than 80th with the most promising QB we've had in 20 years.

not buying it.

lots of really successful offenses have players that do one thing very well.

 

[Finwad32]

ok so that means that if not for the hybrid, we'd be lower than 80th with the most promising QB we've had in 20 years.

not buying it.

How does that equate to that? You can't summarize it all like that.

 

[Rocco]

It's really pretty simple. Fredericks needs the bulk of the carries. Dungey is also good on his feet, but I worry about his health.

Keep Erv, Lewis and Strickland in space and not in the backfield.

 

[Millhouse]

How does that equate to that? You can't summarize it all like that.

if the hybrid is better than not using the hybrid, we'd be worse than 80th without the hybrid.

i don't like the hybrid. it depends on too many guys doing too many things. then we talk ourselves into this box where well we gotta run the option to lewis because if they don't think we'll run the option to lewis then blah blah. we don't need to use hybrids.

 

[TheCusian]

if the hybrid is better than not using the hybrid, we'd be worse than 80th without the hybrid. i don't like the hybrid. it depends on too many guys doing too many things. then we talk ourselves into this box where well we gotta run the option to lewis because if they don't think we'll run the option to lewis then blah blah. we don't need to use hybrids.

Lewis has run the ball 5 times in 5 games. You're overstating the impact

 

[Millhouse]

Lewis has run the ball 5 times in 5 games. You're overstating the impact

you're making me want to go through the play by play and look at the results for possessions where lewis gets a carry.

 

[TheCusian]

you're making me want to go through the play by play and look at the results for possessions where lewis gets a carry.

 

[upperdeck]

i think the question is how often do we run out of the hybrid look and run a Rb and it gains yards. the issue is that oline is not very good most of the time. if you go back and look pre game at the comments from coaches. USF has the best dline we have seen this year. that likely led to the play calling.

if dungey is missing pre snap reads i dont think play calling is going to get much better, he still needs to get us into the right plays.

 

[orangefog]

By position, the punter is the best rusher.

 

[Full_Rebar]

All of these arguments are for going 3 or 4 wide to spread the defense because:
- it creates an even playing field for the OL
- gives Dungey better looks at reading the defense
- allows for more playmakers on the field
- still gives an edge to Erv and Lewis in the passing game against LB's, or if defense's counter with more DB's, Fredericks has more space in the middle of the field

 

[Millhouse]

All of these arguments are for going 3 or 4 wide to spread the defense because:
- it creates an even playing field for the OL
- gives Dungey better looks at reading the defense
- allows for more playmakers on the field
- still gives an edge to Erv and Lewis in the passing game against LB's, or if defense's counter with more DB's, Fredericks has more space in the middle of the field

if the only thing dungey is having trouble with is reading a defense before the snap, make it really hard for defenses to disguise anything by spreading it out

 

[OttoinGrotto]

if the only thing dungey is having trouble with is reading a defense before the snap, make it really hard for defenses to disguise anything by spreading it out

INSANITY

 

[Finwad32]

Dungey's not even making protection calls, his pre snap reads are limited. And, nobody has ever said he was having trouble with whatever pre snap reads he has to make.

What was said was he was missing reads on the field, both from the zone read and passing progressions.

 

[GoSU96]

you're making me want to go through the play by play and look at the results for possessions where lewis gets a carry.

He's had a couple of good runs on the option, that play out of the pistol I was doomed from the start.

If Lester wants to run wide against faster teams he needs to watch the '92 Miami game. Didn't work until the FB was established. At least run the inside dive/ trap and counter with the TB first. This offense will only work as well as Robinson, Emerich, and Trudo can get the interior blocked and/or the pass game gets guys out of the box.

 

[TheCusian]

if the only thing dungey is having trouble with is reading a defense before the snap, make it really hard for defenses to disguise anything by spreading it out

I don't think it's pre snap - think it was after snap reads in the first half of Wake and USF. Also don't think he won't get it - just inexperience.

 

[baggerbob]

Lewis has run the ball 5 times in 5 games. You're overstating the impact

The problem is Phillips, and Strickland give us the best opportunities with the Hybrid position. Lewis should be one of 3 receivers to best utilize his abilities.

 

[Millhouse]

He's had a couple of good runs on the option, that play out of the pistol I was doomed from the start.

If Lester wants to run wide against faster teams he needs to watch the '92 Miami game. Didn't work until the FB was established. At least run the inside dive/ trap and counter with the TB first. This offense will only work as well as Robinson, Emerich, and Trudo can get the interior blocked and/or the pass game gets guys out of the box.

there is a real easy way to get guys out of the box. put SU players out of the box and throw it to them. mcdonald is boning us still

 

[TheCusian]

The problem is Phillips, and Strickland give us the best opportunities with the Hybrid position. Lewis should be one of 3 receivers to best utilize his abilities.

There is no 3rd receiver. To get Lewis on the field lined up wide, he's replacing Ishmeal or Estime. Inside, he's replacing Phillips or Strickland.

He's good enough to get snaps - but anywhere you line him up, you're taking a faster and more dynamic player off the field.

I don't mind him as an XB. Has made lots of big catches from the position. His runs are dumb.

 

[TheCusian]

there is a real easy way to get guys out of the box. put SU players out of the box and throw it to them. mcdonald is boning us still

You're overreacting. Offense is fine and will get better with slight tweaks not a wholesale switch to the spread.