Rushing YPA breakdown by groups of players

[Millhouse]

You're overreacting. Offense is fine and will get better with slight tweaks not a wholesale switch to the spread.

370, 326, 281, 305 yards the last 4 games

that is not good.

 

[texascpa]

I'm confused (surprising, right?). Why does your analysis compare Group A that includes two hybrids (Strickland and Phillips) and two RBs (Fredericks and Morris) against Group B that includes a RB (McFarlane), WR (Estime) and a hybrid (Lewis) with the conclusion that the Hybrid is a wasted position? Or do your stats take into account when they actually played the running back (Group A) and hybrid (Group B) position?

A better analysis would be

Group A - McFarlane, Morris, Fredericks
Group B - Strickland, Phillips, Lewis

 

[Millhouse]

I'm confused (surprising, right?). Why does your analysis compare Group A that includes two hybrids (Strickland and Phillips) and two RBs (Fredericks and Morris) against Group B that includes a RB (McFarlane), WR (Estime) and a hybrid (Lewis) with the conclusion that the Hybrid is a wasted position? Or do your stats take into account when they actually played the running back (Group A) and hybrid (Group B) position?

A better analysis would be

Group A - McFarlane, Morris, Fredericks
Group B - Strickland, Phillips, Lewis

i broke it down by guys i think are good at running the ball vs guys I don't think are good.

i want less hybrid. if they're going to do it, just do it with strickland and phillips.

 

[TheCusian]

370, 326, 281, 305 yards the last 4 games that is not good.

Quarters that Dungey played in the last four games:

9.5 quarters of 16 for 899yds of total offense Average of 95yds per Q

Quarters played by QB other than Dungey in the last four games:

6.5 quarters of 16 for 383yds of total offense Average of 59yds per Q ---


Also worth noting that his two worst Q were his first collegiate start vs FBS (Wake) and his first road game coming off a head injury (USF) ... If you subtract those Q? The trend is up and it's largely working. One tweak is to run Fredericks more. The other (hopefully) is to pass more early.

Edit: my numbers were wrong. Now showing fixed.

 

[TheCusian]

i broke it down by guys i think are good at running the ball vs guys I don't think are good. i want less hybrid. if they're going to do it, just do it with strickland and phillips.

Yeah but they catch the ball more than the run it

 

[Finwad32]

i broke it down by guys i think are good at running the ball vs guys I don't think are good.

i want less hybrid. if they're going to do it, just do it with strickland and phillips.

Not to jump back in on this, but here goes.

I understand the premise, run the ball with good runners. Common Sense 101.

But, if Lewis is our best blocker from the H position, and you're not willing to give him the ball occassionally you might as well not put him in at H at all. Because if I'm a DC and I've got my Grad Assistants pulling tendency and personnell reports, I know that when 84 is on the field, what formations he's on the field for and that they're either running with him as a blocker or utilizing one of their pass sets out of that formation, which I can also sort out. It makes gameplanning significantly easier.

So although I'd like to say that It should go Phillips 1 and Strickland 2 - I believe that Lewis is significantly better from an assignment and blocking standpoint. Otherwise he wouldn't be in that position.

*As an aside, I'm not a fan of him in this position either. I think it's just where he best fits given the offense and the personnel.

 

[Millhouse]

But, if Lewis is our best blocker from the H position, and you're not willing to give him the ball occassionally you might as well not put him in at H at all.

ding ding

play him at WR

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Not to jump back in on this, but here goes.

I understand the premise, run the ball with good runners. Common Sense 101.

But, if Lewis is our best blocker from the H position, and you're not willing to give him the ball occassionally you might as well not put him in at H at all. Because if I'm a DC and I've got my Grad Assistants pulling tendency and personnell reports, I know that when 84 is on the field, what formations he's on the field for and that they're either running with him as a blocker or utilizing one of their pass sets out of that formation, which I can also sort out. It makes gameplanning significantly easier.

So although I'd like to say that It should go Phillips 1 and Strickland 2 - I believe that Lewis is significantly better from an assignment and blocking standpoint. Otherwise he wouldn't be in that position.

*As an aside, I'm not a fan of his position either. I think it's just where he best fits given the offense and the personnel.

Does it change anything if #84 is in and if he gets a handoff you know that at best he's getting 3 yards? I like Lewis a lot, I just don't think you have to account from him to run the ball at all. Giving him the ball on handoffs doesn't change that.

 

[Finwad32]

Does it change anything if #84 is in and if he gets a handoff you know that at best he's getting 3 yards? I like Lewis a lot, I just don't think you have to account from him to run the ball at all. Giving him the ball on handoffs doesn't change that.

It really does, not because you're so nervouse about him breaking a big one, but you've got to be able to defend against another alternative. And our offense is specifically designed to make the defense make a decision. Even a significant number of our plays that don't look like a true option, are triple options or RPO's.

 

[texascpa]

i broke it down by guys i think are good at running the ball vs guys I don't think are good.

i want less hybrid. if they're going to do it, just do it with strickland and phillips.

But two of the guys that are in the "good at running the ball" are hybrids, while only one is in the "don't think are good" group.

What you're really saying is don't have lewis run the ball, bench McFarlane and stick with just throwing it to Estime.

I think the board consensus agrees with you on Lewis, Fredericks is now the starter so the coaches see what you (and many others) have seen, and we'll see what happens with Estime going forward.

 

[Millhouse]

But two of the guys that are in the "good at running the ball" are hybrids, while only one is in the "don't think are good" group.

What you're really saying is don't have lewis run the ball, bench McFarlane and stick with just throwing it to Estime.

I think the board consensus agrees with you on Lewis, Fredericks is now the starter so the coaches see what you (and many others) have seen, and we'll see what happens with Estime going forward.

you don't have to use hybrid packages on every play

if they want to use phillips and strickland as hybrids, fine.

 

[Millhouse]

Does it change anything if #84 is in and if he gets a handoff you know that at best he's getting 3 yards? I like Lewis a lot, I just don't think you have to account from him to run the ball at all. Giving him the ball on handoffs doesn't change that.

his runs this year are -1, 17, 0, 2, -2, -4 yards.

average of 2. median of -.5

 

[upperdeck]

is lewis the issue or is blocking the issue? I dont recall him getting a ton of room to run and not taking advantage of it?

 

[baggerbob]

There is no 3rd receiver. To get Lewis on the field lined up wide, he's replacing Ishmeal or Estime. Inside, he's replacing Phillips or Strickland.

He's good enough to get snaps - but anywhere you line him up, you're taking a faster and more dynamic player off the field.

I don't mind him as an XB. Has made lots of big catches from the position. His runs are dumb.

What having him at receiver does is eliminate Cornelius, and Avant, and giving Strickland more playing time. Ishmael, and Estime aren't playing every snap, so Lewis is the best replacement, and Strickland is the best replacement for Phillips. That gives Eric the best players in the game to make plays, which is what this offense is about.

 

[SUFan44]

his runs this year are -1, 17, 0, 2, -2, -4 yards.

average of 2. median of -.5

Also probably putting us in 2nd and long and/or 3rd and long situations.

Unnecessary, no matter how you slice it.

 

[TheCusian]

What having him at receiver does is eliminate Cornelius, and Avant, and giving Strickland more playing time. Ishmael, and Estime aren't playing every snap, so Lewis is the best replacement, and Strickland is the best replacement for Phillips. That gives Eric the best players in the game to make plays, which is what this offense is about.

That's fine - but you're still playing Lewis less in that role

 

[TheCusian]

What having him at receiver does is eliminate Cornelius, and Avant, and giving Strickland more playing time. Ishmael, and Estime aren't playing every snap, so Lewis is the best replacement, and Strickland is the best replacement for Phillips. That gives Eric the best players in the game to make plays, which is what this offense is about.

Also - I'm not sure we know that Strickland does all that the job requires just yet. He def passes the run with ball metric - but routes and blocking - don't know.

 

[Millhouse]

Also - I'm not sure we know that Strickland does all that the job requires just yet. He def passes the run with ball metric - but routes and blocking - don't know.

another reason to sh!tcan the hybrid

why not have lewis and strickland do the they're good at?

we have guys do stuff they're not good at because we hope it fools the defense. stop trying to fool them. just run and throw to guys who are good at running or catching

 

[TheCusian]

another reason to sh!tcan the hybrid

why not have lewis and strickland do the they're good at?

we have guys do stuff they're not good at because we hope it fools the defense. stop trying to fool them. just run and throw to guys who are good at running or catching

You're insane. Most of the big plays and TD's this season have come off of trying to fool them (i.e. play action, motion to get Dungey out in space, hybrids getting in space)

 

[Millhouse]

You're insane. Most of the big plays and TD's this season have come off of trying to fool them (i.e. play action, motion to get Dungey out in space, hybrids getting in space)

Well yeah that's our offense this season, so what else could it be?

 

[TheCusian]

Well yeah that's our offense this season, so what else could it be?

Agreed. It's working. Small tweaks.