Sark Out as USC

[IthacaBarrel]

Actually some news broke yesterday that might have some effect on Doug. The Colts and Dolphins are 2 teams possibly interested in trading for Sean Payton at the end of the year. Report said other teams are interested as well but didn't name any others. Which means the Saints job will be open and Doug being an assistant there for many years that might help him get an interview at the very least for that open HC job. Or, if Payton goes to Indy or Miami or somewhere else he could bring Doug with him as an OC depending on how he feels about his current OC, which might not be very good considering how bad the Saints have sunk too even though yes Sean does call the plays. He might want to go back to Marrone and change things up

Interesting chain of events... I would imagine logical progression is back with Sean Payton. I don't see saints hiring him but who knows.

 

[rrlbees]

Chip Kelly will be the head coach at USC in 2016. Take it to the bank. He has had about enough of the NFL. Philly has had enough of him.

That was broke by a guy in Vegas over a week ago and has been spreading.

 

[TerryD]

Ty Willingham is well rested and ready to return to the Pac 12.....

 

[orangefog]

Ty Willingham is well rested and ready to return to the Pac 12.....

I agree, he would make a great coordinator.

 

[elimunelson]

Anyone who thinks low energy Marrone is getting another job in the offseason as HC in the NFL is crazy. Guy is the Jeff Jags of the 2010s...he'll either go the Coach P route and take a mid level college job or be a coordinator lifer. Guy was bananaland for leaving Buffalo and by extension Syracuse.

 

[Frozen]

Guy was bananaland for leaving Buffalo and by extension Syracuse.

Guy was rich after leaving Buffalo:

"Doug Marrone is opting out of his contract with the Buffalo Bills after two years, mainly because his 2015 salary of $4 million is guaranteed no matter what. Even if Marrone takes a head coaching job with another team, he still receives his full salary from Buffalo."

-Deadspin, 1/1/15

 

[Millhouse]

Guy was rich after leaving Buffalo:

"Doug Marrone is opting out of his contract with the Buffalo Bills after two years, mainly because his 2015 salary of $4 million is guaranteed no matter what. Even if Marrone takes a head coaching job with another team, he still receives his full salary from Buffalo."

-Deadspin, 1/1/15

after marrone, i'm going to assume any rumors about where a coach might land are coming from the coach's camp. i'm thinking of edsall right now. maybe shafer's people put that out there to make the rest of us say "NOOOOOO, my god, just keep shafer then"

 

[elimunelson]

wake me when he gets another head coaching gig. Who cares what his W2 says. I can't imagine he's so rich that he won't want another HC gig.

 

[GoSU96]

Anyone who thinks low energy Marrone is getting another job in the offseason as HC in the NFL is crazy. Guy is the Jeff Jags of the 2010s...he'll either go the Coach P route and take a mid level college job or be a coordinator lifer. Guy was bananaland for leaving Buffalo and by extension Syracuse.

I have no idea if he gets another HC, but what does "low energy" mean and you think that matters?

How many times has he been fired in his career?

His two head coaching jobs, was the team better when he left than it was when he started?

 

[elimunelson]

I have no idea if he gets another HC, but what does "low energy" mean and you think that matters?

How many times has he been fired in his career?

His two head coaching jobs, was the team better when he left than it was when he started?

Did he really leave the Bills in a better place? They went 8-8 last year. I don't count the Patriots laying down in game 17. That was given to them. He left Syracuse in the same shape that P left it in 2004. He's ok not a world builder.

I think any owner in the NFL will see him for what he is: a guy who will make you ok not great. If you show me where he becomes a hotshot coordinator like a Pete Carroll, Dan Quinn, etc then i'll eat my words.

 

[jr4750]

The only way he's coaching USC next year is if he pulls a Petrino/Falcons and just walks out after a game one day.

No Maryland is convinced he's coming to them. :bat: That's why he won't be coaching USC... ugh Maryland, idiots

 

[GoSU96]

Did he really leave the Bills in a better place? They went 8-8 last year. I don't count the Patriots laying down in game 17. That was given to them. He left Syracuse in the same shape that P left it in 2004. He's ok not a world builder.

I think any owner in the NFL will see him for what he is: a guy who will make you ok not great. If you show me where he becomes a hotshot coordinator like a Pete Carroll, Dan Quinn, etc then i'll eat my words.

The derangement syndrome on this board is nuts.

Guy did the job he was hired to do in Buffalo.

He did a great job here. If people don't understand or don't want to acknowledge how bad the state of this program was, that's their problem at this point.

 

[reedny]

Anyone who thinks low energy Marrone is getting another job in the offseason as HC in the NFL is crazy. Guy is the Jeff Jags of the 2010s...he'll either go the Coach P route and take a mid level college job or be a coordinator lifer. Guy was bananaland for leaving Buffalo and by extension Syracuse.

I have to disagree with you. I was the first one complaining when DM left SU (his "dream school") just when the program was showing progress. I didn't like the "silent" week he spent being courted by NFL teams, or the fact that, with all that coaching talent out there, he had to gut the SU staff on his way out. Almost nothing about his departure was, IMO, handled properly.

That said, I think your post glosses over some history. We went from (literally) a joke under GRob, to a decent bowl team. No it wasn't the Rose Bowl. But it was enough to attract an offer to join the ACC -- at a critical moment of conference reallignment. The conference musical chair game would have left us without a seat, had Marrone not taken over the program and brought us back to legitimacy.

The job he did with the Bills was not as dramatic, but it was certainly better than you indicate. Remember he had EJ as QB, and there was some turmoil in the ownership transition, the salary budget, decision-making and a whole bunch of other things. He went to new ownership with his concerns, and they were unwilling to make the changes he was recommending. Now they're spending gobs of money on skill positions -- which is a luxury that Marrone didn't have.

 

[elimunelson]

I have to disagree with you. I was the first one complaining when DM left SU (his "dream school") just when the program was showing progress. I didn't like the "silent" week he spent being courted by NFL teams, or the fact that, with all that coaching talent out there, he had to gut the SU staff on his way out. Almost nothing about his departure was, IMO, handled properly.

That said, I think your post glosses over some history. We went from (literally) a joke under GRob, to a decent bowl team. No it wasn't the Rose Bowl. But it was enough to attract an offer to join the ACC -- at a critical moment of conference reallignment. The conference musical chair game would have left us without a seat, had Marrone not taken over the program and brought us back to legitimacy.

The job he did with the Bills was not as dramatic, but it was certainly better than you indicate. Remember he had EJ as QB, and there was some turmoil in the ownership transition, the salary budget, decision-making and a whole bunch of other things. He went to new ownership with his concerns, and they were unwilling to make the changes he was recommending. Now they're spending gobs of money on skill positions -- which is a luxury that Marrone didn't have.

Marrone had 0% to do with the ACC invitation. Literally 0. Syracuse got an invitation at the back end of the P era which everyone considers to be when the wheels came off. We were getting an invitation even with Greg Robinson as HC. The school sold itself on the back of other stuff.

Marrone left the Bills right? I don't get why everyone feels like he was mission accomplished when he left. He literally didn't go to one playoff game as HC. What type of mission accomplished is that!?!?!? That's bananas. Guy should have stayed and finished the job if he felt like he had it on the right path. From every article I read, Rex Ryan has made the situation much better than what it was.

 

[Stern]

Marrone left the Bills right? I don't get why everyone feels like he was mission accomplished when he left. He literally didn't go to one playoff game as HC. What type of mission accomplished is that!?!?!? That's bananas. Guy should have stayed and finished the job if he felt like he had it on the right path. From every article I read, Rex Ryan has made the situation much better than what it was.

Marrone leaving was 100% to do with the new owner coming in. New owner didn't hire him. Doug stays and he is probably fired after the 2015 season short of winning the Super Bowl. Doug saw the handwriting on the wall and bolted. Not saying I agree with that decision but that was the logic behind him leaving. Take the $ and run now before you are a lame duck just waiting to get fired by a new owner who didn't hire you.

 

[HOFCeluck]

. He left Syracuse in the same shape that P left it in 2004. .

lol

 

[jekelish]

Good gravy. Now word has come out that Pat Haden still hasn't actually gotten in touch with Sark to let him know that he's been fired.

Well. Oiled. Machine.

 

[reedny]

Marrone had 0% to do with the ACC invitation. Literally 0. Syracuse got an invitation at the back end of the P era which everyone considers to be when the wheels came off. We were getting an invitation even with Greg Robinson as HC. The school sold itself on the back of other stuff.

Marrone left the Bills right? I don't get why everyone feels like he was mission accomplished when he left. He literally didn't go to one playoff game as HC. What type of mission accomplished is that!?!?!? That's bananas. Guy should have stayed and finished the job if he felt like he had it on the right path. From every article I read, Rex Ryan has made the situation much better than what it was.

I think you're wrong about Marrone and the Bills, but I'll leave that discussion to others. As far as Marrone and SU (the ACC), you're misquoting/misreading conference history. We had opportunities in prior years (pre-2003), but that was 8-10 years earlier .. a completely different time when the BE was still a functioning conference. By the time DM took control of program in 2009, the BE's days were numbered and SUFB was on life support. GRob had just finished a disastrous 5-37 campaign, which included the only back to back double digit loosing seasons, and the worst 4 year average, in program history.

Marrone not only turned the program around by going 8-5 his second year (with a bowl win), he was successful at just the right time. The summer after that year -- the 2010-11 season -- the ACC was looking to add 2 schools and we got the offer in September (2011). So with this background, it's clear that Marrone's success was critical to an ACC invitation. Not a moment too soon either. By that time the BEC was coming apart as the non-FB schools could not complete with competing conference (FB) revenues. The ACC easily could have taken another school (WVa, UConn, etc...), but it took SU and Pitt .. mostly thanks to Marrone.

 

[CuseTroop]

Good gravy. Now word has come out that Pat Haden still hasn't actually gotten in touch with Sark to let him know that he's been fired.

Well. Oiled. Machine.

Sounds like they cant get a hold of Sark. Dude might be holed up in a hotel room, trying to drink this one away.
Hopefully Sark has someone with him. This could get bad

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Sounds like they cant get a hold of Sark. Dude might be holed up in a hotel room, trying to drink this one away.
Hopefully Sark has someone with him. This could get bad

Leaving Las Vegas- esque. You ain't kidding. Not good

 

[rrlbees]

Nothing personal, but you're misquoting/misreading conference history. We had opportunities in prior years (pre-2003), but that was 8-10 years earlier .. a completely different time when the BE was still a functioning conference. By the time DM took control of program in 2009, the BE's days were numbered and SU was on the ropes. GRob had just finished a disastrous 5-37 campaign, which included the only back to back double digit loosing seasons, and the worst 4 year average, in program history. Marrone not only turned the program around by going 8-5 his second year (with a bowl win), he was successful at just the right time. In his second year -- the 2010-11 season -- the ACC was looking to add 2 schools. So our success that year was critical to an ACC invitation the following fall. At that point, the BEC was starting to disintegrate. The ACC easily could have taken another school (WVa, UConn, etc...), but it took SU and Pitt. Therefore, the fact that the ACC had come calling in 2001 has no bearing on what DM did for the program in 2009-2011 -- which is why we're in the ACC conference.

We were getting the ACC invite regardless who was the coach and what the record was.

 

[reedny]

We were getting the ACC invite regardless who was the coach and what the record was.

Why not UConn? The ACC was looking for additional northeast markets. If it were not for our positive (at the time) FB trajectory compared to UConn, UConn made more sense with its proximity to NYC. Not to mention that the ACC offer came exactly at the program's high point after 4 horrible GRob seasons and an ugly start for Marrone in his first year. I doubt these factors were coincidental.

 

[Briancuse]

Doug Marrone's dream job*

He can bring along Hackett to OC and hire Greggers as DC.

He can dream all he wants, hes not getting it.

 

[rrlbees]

Why not UConn? The ACC was looking for additional northeast markets. If it were not for our positive (at the time) FB trajectory compared to UConn, UConn made more sense with its proximity to NYC. Not to mention that the ACC offer came exactly at the program's high point after 4 horrible GRob seasons and an ugly start for Marrone in his first year. I doubt these factors were coincidental.

Eh. UConn didn't bring anything they wanted. SU has been on the ACC radar for a long time. Should have gotten in first go round if not for Virginia politics. No idea what input ND had on anything, but they wanted SU and Pitt. Also don't know what input the basketball side, particularly K, had, but K wanted SU.

 

[retro44]

Haden is a total jerk that really has no class as he fired Kiffen at the airport and couldn't wait for him to get back to L.A. and if I remember correctly it left him hanging at the airport. Sark finds out thru text messages by his friends as the airlinee prevented him from turning on his cell phone. He could have at least waited to talk to him privately before making his public announcement......total classless DB that should also be fired for enabling him to carry on instead of forcing him to go to rehab first thing.
I think Haden has known all along that Sark was still drinking but felt winning comes first and we will deal with him after the season.