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Second hand practice observations from yesterday

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Apologies for not posting the practice summary this morning as promised—had a couple of unanticipated work-related issues pop up this morning that prevented me from typing it up until now.

As mentioned yesterday, my father had the opportunity to head up to the Melo Center yesterday afternoon to take in part of hoops practice. My dad used to be a regular practice attendee back when practices were conducted in Manley Field House, but things are much more restrictive these days at the Melo Center. He managed to get past "security" by going up with a good friend of his who is one of the PS beat writers covering SU basketball. Based upon circumstance, he was only able to take in an hour or so of practice, but he had some interesting observations about the players that I thought I’d share.

Practice is usually divided into four components. Pre-practice, groups of players will be out on the various courts working with team managers and each other to get some extra work on specific skills, like three point shooting or free throw shooting. The second phase is where they stretch and get put through the paces by the trainer to get everybody warmed up properly. Then, they’ll usually break into positional groups [guards, forwards, centers] and go through a bunch of position specific drills. Lastly, they’ll close practice with scrimmaging.

Unfortunately, my father wasn’t able to stay long enough to watch them scrimmage, so I don’t have any game play observations. But he was there to see them working through drills, etc.

Shortly after he got there, Seth Davis showed up, and my dad got introduced to him by his friend working for the PS. Making idle chat on the sidelines while the players warmed up, Davis observed [paraphrasing] that SU could be poised for a big year, that we are a top 10—possibly a top 5—type of team. He also made a comment that he tweeted out yesterday about SU having lots of good, but possibly no great players. All in all, seemed like a personable guy who was engaging to chat with.

General Observations:

· My dad thinks that all of the frosh looked more physically impressive than what he expected. Trevor Cooney is really built for an incoming frosh—the kind of physique many of us hoped that GMac would eventually develop during the course of his career. Broad shoulders, big arms and muscular calves. In other words, a kid who looks physically mature already. Christmas isn’t a finished product at this stage of his developmental curve, but he’s starting off with a great frame. Isn’t difficult to imagine this kid being a strong 235 in another year or two. He said that the biggest surprise was MCW, who wasn’t nearly as skinny / scrawny as what he expected. Make no mistake—not suggesting that he is “jacked,” just that he looks like he added some good weight and isn’t the 175 bean pole that we saw on TV last spring.

· Speaking of MCW, my dad’s friend from the PS suggested that the coaches are very, very high on Carter-Williams game / potential, and the general consensus around the program is that he’s a future NBA player.

· The centers: Fab Melo has lost an appreciable amount of weight. His face is noticeably less chubby, and he looks lankier and slimmed down overall. It’s paid off with better lateral mobility and stamina. Keita looks about the same, and is not the type of kid who is ever going to pack on a ton of weight, but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t “strong.”

· Waiters and Triche both looked in peak shape; both are jacked and play with a lot of energy.

· For the Mookie fans out there, apparently he practiced exclusively with the forwards, which could be attributable to him being the #6 player in the guard rotation [a good sign in terms of the backcourt’s potential]. There’s a lot of competition at forward, as well, but as a fourth-year junior who’s got some game experience under his belt, he might be a darkhorse to emerge and get some consistent playing time at the 3 as a designated shooter off the bench.

· Fair looks like he’s filled out a bit [perhaps the result of weight lifting moreso than weight gain], and looks strong in the drills. Looks very active out there—always in the right spot for rebounds, good timing / anticipation deflecting passes, etc.

· Again, since it was mostly drill work my dad saw, he didn’t get a feel for the floor game of any of the players, but he said that Scoop looked serious / focused / vocal. That’s a good sign—hoping that he takes it to the next level recognizing this is his last go around, like Rick took it to the next level last year. I don’t think that Scoop needs to do more statistically to be “better” this season; just cutting down on unforced turnovers, taking better care of the ball, etc. would make him an exponentially more effective lead guard.

Wish he could have stuck around for the scrimmage portion to see the players in action and get some game play observations, like the old days. Oh well…
 
Nice!

· Speaking of MCW, my dad’s friend from the PS suggested that the coaches are very, very high on Carter-Williams game / potential, and the general consensus around the program is that he’s a future NBA player.

Take it to the bank. I'd lay down a big bet on that if anyone would take it.

The 2 weaknesses I see in this team are; frontcourt scoring (obvious), and reliable 3-pt threats. If Mookie is practicing at the 3 I get the feeling that JB is considering Scoop/Cooney/Mookie/KJ as a possible "we need to get back in this game ASAP with some quick threes" lineup. Hopefully it won't be needed.

Scoop's best asset this year will be leadership IMO, and he needs to step that up. KJ just doesn't strike me as the 'take-charge' type and last years slumps really emphasized how vital veteran leadership can be.
 
Thanks, RF! Great write-up. And thanks to Dad, too.
 
Thanks for that info, RF2044 (and your dad, as well).
We had some losses last year, but not sure I would label them slumps (we were, after all, 27-8). It would have been considered a surprisingly good year (considering losing Wes, Andy and AO), except for the BET loss to UConn, and the second round NCAA loss to Marquette.
I would not attribute the BET loss to lack of leadership, as much as the dominance of Kemba Walker -- one of the most impressive game a guard could have. Kemba and Lamb were the best pair on the court. The game might have shown how important it is to have star talent that can make the difference with the game on the line.
The Marquette game was winnable, but my impression was that Marquette pressured the ball (closely guarding Scoop) better than most of our opponents. Showed how vital a great defender can be to disrupt what a team likes to do.
With our 2011-12 team, we have great depth through 10 or even 11 guys. A great asset if JB wants to use a lot of his depth. I wonder if our "star talent" will emerge in crunch time (as Kemba did to us and others), or if we have a defender or two who can pressure the ball. We have a lot of other bases covered.
 
Do we have a go to guy? Sorely lacking last year. IMHO, I don't think our Canadian is the answer.
 
Do we have a go to guy? Sorely lacking last year. IMHO, I don't think our Canadian is the answer.
Think BT can be that guy? He may have developed a mini-killer's instinct this summer
 
Nice!

Take it to the bank. I'd lay down a big bet on that if anyone would take it.

The 2 weaknesses I see in this team are; frontcourt scoring (obvious), and reliable 3-pt threats. If Mookie is practicing at the 3 I get the feeling that JB is considering Scoop/Cooney/Mookie/KJ as a possible "we need to get back in this game ASAP with some quick threes" lineup. Hopefully it won't be needed.

Scoop's best asset this year will be leadership IMO, and he needs to step that up. KJ just doesn't strike me as the 'take-charge' type and last years slumps really emphasized how vital veteran leadership can be.
you wouldnt put Dirty in that lineup?
 
I've firmly believed for awhile now, and I know that some have disagreed, that Brandon could very easily become a go-to guy (and ultimately make it in the NBA, but that's another story). He's got the frame and physicality to get to the rim and finish, he's an outstanding free throw shooter, and his jumper is ever improving. He's got the most well rounded offensive skill set on the team, IMO. He edges out Kris in that regard because he handles the ball so much better than Kris does, and he's probably stronger.
 
great stuff.

as for mookie, c'est la vie. no one said playing D1 was easy. never bad to have a who can pop threes. i like it,
 
Triche just seems like a perpetual "singles-hitter" to me, & not the home-run slugger we need.
He has ALL the tools, but he just seems too passive when he really needs to be aggressive. He's started every game since freshman year, & yet the BT we saw in the WVU game, hasn't shown up on a CONSISTENT, DEPENDABLE basis when needed.
If Brandon Triche plays to his potential, and has an "Andy Rautins-like" turnaround at combo-guard, then the sky's the limit for this team. He's the key, IMO....just as he was last year.
 
I've firmly believed for awhile now, and I know that some have disagreed, that Brandon could very easily become a go-to guy (and ultimately make it in the NBA, but that's another story). He's got the frame and physicality to get to the rim and finish, he's an outstanding free throw shooter, and his jumper is ever improving. He's got the most well rounded offensive skill set on the team, IMO. He edges out Kris in that regard because he handles the ball so much better than Kris does, and he's probably stronger.
The problem w Brandon is twofold IMHO:

1. Physically - He is just not very quick.

2. Mentally - I'm moving to Missouri - he needs to show me that he really wants the ball & has mental toughness.
 
no way bt is a nba player imo.

He was only a sophmore last year and hasn't felt comfortable playing with a faster slimer frame yet at the college level. He hasn't since high school. Give the guy some time to learn how to do so. He needs to want to put that jacked body of his on the back burner to take the chance to be a better baller.

He was a SG and after Gmac, Devendorf, Rautins its understandable that people expect him to come in roll around screens and knock down three pointers at a 44% clip. But thats just not Brandon Triche yet. Hes was a roll the dice good option last year not a great one. Give him time.
 
Triche just seems like a perpetual "singles-hitter" to me, & not the home-run slugger we need.
He has ALL the tools, but he just seems too passive when he really needs to be aggressive. He's started every game since freshman year, & yet the BT we saw in the WVU game, hasn't shown up on a CONSISTENT, DEPENDABLE basis when needed.
If Brandon Triche plays to his potential, and has an "Andy Rautins-like" turnaround at combo-guard, then the sky's the limit for this team. He's the key, IMO....just as he was last year.

Brandon would be a stud if he was the PG. He plays much better with the ball in his hands from the get go.
 
BT impressed me the most from MM, but that includes the 3 point contest, where he smoked JS and Mookie, plus he was just so physically impressive during it that I cam away thinking that he may have a breakout year.
 
Brandon would be a stud if he was the PG. He plays much better with the ball in his hands from the get go.

A stud as in better than Scoop?
 
A stud as in better than Scoop?

Yes I think BT is better. But the team is better with Scoop at the point and BT at SG. What I said was BT himself is better as a PG than 2G and IMO would be a stud (and no I don't mean a 1st team AA or anything).
 
i knew you would mention that. studs are lottery picks, not just any players who start for college teams.

your definition of stud. stud is more than starter but doesn't mean lottery pick in my definition. stud to me would be better than starter and one of the best at the position.
 
whats your definition mean? better than starter? whats that mean? best at the position are lottery picks.

a kid could be 1st team all league and maybe even AA and not be a lottery pick. this is a senseless discussion.
 
why are you conversing then if its senseless?

because you asked a question. and obviously our definition of stud differs. you believe stud means lottery pick. i don't agree. no big deal so no need to continue.
 
Ok do you think bt is the best player on the team?

Yes I do along with KJo. It would be more obvious if BT was at PG because he is a better scoring PG than he is a 2G.
 

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