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[OburgOrange]

Schiano was at PedSt while Sandusky was there. So he knew.

He should feel bad..... Really, really bad

 

[Sudano]

Syracuse has been losing recruits to PSU for decades regardless of who the coach is or will be. We have also won some recruiting battles against PSU, not a ton and certainly not half but just because PSU offers one of our guys it isnt the kiss of death. Syracuse just needs to worry about winning in the ACC and bringing in kids from all over be it the midwest, Georgia, NYC, Florida, etc

For obviously selfish reasons I would like any coaching change to disrupt or erode that superior position into the NJ, NYC or even PA area which from a historical and proximity standpoint has also been a signficant Syracuse recruiting hotbed too. This is that time with Bill O'Brien possibly leaving. For SU 'to win' in the ACC the advantage of having such an important area shift in any way will only help SU to do that. To simply abdicate that area to other more established programs in my opinion is a mistake.

 

[PhatOrange]

Ped state has always killed us recruiting so it doesn't matter if schady is there or not. I think Syracuse would actually benefit with schady at penn st. He'd get the kids we can't get anyways and he'd erode buttgers.

 

[DeGrozz]

For what it's worth... On ESPN this afternoon, Schefter reported that Tampa Bay is leaning towards keeping Schiano. (I think I am remembering that right)

 

[HtownOrange]

As a recruiter, Schiano is essentially all used car salesman. He has left a proven track record of less than stellar abilities, lies and letting down his recruits. This will be used agianst him wherever he goes in CFB. He sucks on gameday (I know, I am being generous here), he has to lie to recruits, he fails to coach up talent, and several posters are forgetting the obvious: PSU big money people are NOT going to tolerate losing to Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State annually. They will not accept playing his Rutgers type scheduling, they will demand some semblance of respectable schedules so he cannot rack up 4 wins against community colleges to start 4-0, needing two wins v. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana to qualify for a bowl.

PSU will get talent regardless of who the coach is. If they hired any one of us, they would still get top recruits in PA and Jersey.

Plus, HS coaches are not likely to buy into Schiano after the way he dumped Rutgers and thier former stars. How can a HS honestly tell a kid that playing for Schiano is a good idea.

 

[TheCusian]

The real question should be why would Penn Stare want Shady?

 

[rosconey]

SI.com is far from the only media outlet reporting this. NFL.com, CBS Sports, NJ.com, etc. all saying it. Guess they're all just trolling for hits.

its not like they have a original thought-

 

[orange79]

its not like they have a original thought-

Yup. Smoke never means fire

 

[anglerman]

How so? He didn't set the world on fire at Rutgers, but he built Rutgers from literally nothing. With the amount of resources and players available to him at PSU he will have so much talent it will be impossible to lose.

Dude Shady is a lousy coach and he's proven it everywhere bed been so far. It would be great for SU for him to go there he's a joke.

 

[Jeepers]

I don't think it'll be the same anymore with our recruiting vs. psu. Paterno was coach there for 40+ years. They can easily slip down a few notches (even minus the obvious part).

 

[RICuse44]

Dude Shady is a lousy coach and he's proven it everywhere bed been so far. It would be great for SU for him to go there he's a joke.

You do realize how truly awful Rutgers was prior to him going there, right? Is he a great X and O coach? Nope. Offensive genius? Nope. But he can recruit and he can coach defense. I agree with rather taking a flier on an unknown not panning out then going with something that is a little more proven.

 

[Symphony Steve]

David Jones at the Harrisburg Patriot-News raises a key point for prospective Ped State HC's. They STILL don't have a new prez or their next AD. The prez search has been going on for two years or so. The new coach would have no idea for whom he would be working. Jones thinks that one reason that O'B is anxious to get out is b/c he has no interest in being the face of the university like Paterno was. He thought that the new face of Ped State would have been identified by now.

They might get lucky with a young unproven hire. But it's not gonna be that easy to get an established winner.

 

[OrangePA]

What QB would want to play for him?

 

[HtownOrange]

You do realize how truly awful Rutgers was prior to him going there, right? Is he a great X and O coach? Nope. Offensive genius? Nope. But he can recruit and he can coach defense. I agree with rather taking a flier on an unknown not panning out then going with something that is a little more proven.

Respectfully, Schiano had nothing until P was fired and SU had no coach. He was able to flip Rice and that was what brought Rutger to mediocrity. Before that, who were his star recruits? What did he do several years before that? Sure, he raked up 10 wins in one season, but look at the records of everyone that year, it was a perfect storm. His record is nothing to be impressed with and he was never the dominant coach, he was always playing weak schools to build his record. Never to be repeated in spite of the alleged great recruiting Schiano did. His recruiting classes were overrated and he never duplicated his own perfect storm performance with the alleged better recruits. Even the performance of the later classes that were recruited before he left have not panned out, part coaching and part overhype.

Add to that the manner in which he betrayed everyone, lied to kids and let's not forget that he was not one who could discover talent or coach it up, he was only able to follow the efforts of other schools on the recruiting trail He had no original ideas or ability to analyze kids. Our staff has this ability hands down! He can only fool people for so long before they will not tolerate it anymore. PSU may get fooled into hiring him, but he will be gone within 5 years if he cannot win 10+ annually. With his performance during the game, he has 3 guaranteed losses annually in UM, MSU and tOSU.

In 11 seasons, Schiao went 68 - 67.

Record.....Less three extra cupcakes
2001: 2 - 9......0
2002: 1 - 11......0
2003: 5 - 7......2
2004: 4 - 7......1
2005: 7 - 5......4
2006: 11 - 2......8
2007: 8 - 5......5
2008: 8 - 5......5
2009: 9 - 4......6
2010: 4 - 8......1
2011: 9 - 4...6

Consider that the OOC schedule was usually cupcakes, you have to deduct 5 wins annually, or if you wish to be generous and grant him 2 victories for everyone else' cupcake, that is still a record inflated by 3 cupcake wins annually, or 33 wins over the life of his record (actually 30 wins because one season he had only 1 win and one season he had only two wins). This leaves Schiano with three years of .500 or better.

PSU will look closely at this, either before hiring or after they see his scheduling philosophy and his onfield performance. Either way, he will not be the coach after 5 years. The powers that be at PSU will not tolerate losing to UM, MSU and tOSU annually. Losing games that PSU historically has won will not be tolerated. Losing to Rutgers, Maryland or Indiana will not be tolerated.

Naturally this is just my opinion, but I believe that PSU will perform serious due diligence in evaluating replacements for O'Brien.

 

[SUfanNC]

You do realize how truly awful Rutgers was prior to him going there, right? Is he a great X and O coach? Nope. Offensive genius? Nope. But he can recruit and he can coach defense. I agree with rather taking a flier on an unknown not panning out then going with something that is a little more proven.

Totally agree! I think as a good recruiter at a school that can can already get top talent is going to be tough to recruit against. I don't think any of us are scared of his coaching ability but when you can recruit talent, that talent can mask your lack of coaching ability. Plus big 10 right now is OSU and wisky being constants. Mich has fallen a bit but can be back at anytime. MSU, Nebraska, and Iowa maybe next tier. I think Schiano as coach puts them in the MSU tier with a couple really good classes away from being top tier off and on in my opinion

 

[baggerbob]

That's why its important for Clemson to destroy Ohio St, Florida St to beat Auburn badly, and Duke to beat Johnny Football, the ACC needs to be perceived as the place to go. Those 3 winning helps all of us, that's why Pitt, Syracuse, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Louisville, winning is important to the league. Notre Dame isn't a full member, but after a few years of playing 5 games a year, to the outside world it will seem like they are.

 

[cuseincincy]

Are people really sweating Schiano to PSU? The guy is a terrible game day coach and his offenses at RU were bad year in and year out outside of the one big year with Rice. The guy couldn't even win a share of the BE title despite not having to deal with Miami, VaTech, BC etc. Him going to PSU would be great.

Agree 100 Million %. In the Big Ten he'll have to play a solid schedule every year. Luckily for hj him he would be entering as the Big 10 gets weaker with Rutgers and Maryland entering. Hope he goes there, hate em both they deserve each other.