Slive outlines plan for subdivision

[OrangeCrush22]

It will be interesting to see what Notre Dame's status will be if the P5 have a break away division. Does hybrid membership cut it or do they have to join fully to participate?

Slive's outline doesn't exclude anyone willing or capable of making the jump. This won't be exclusive to the power five. The American Athletic, Big East, Notre Dame, and Mountain West will each certainly tag along without a problem.

What will really be interesting are conferences like C-USA, A10, and WCC; each have some members who would want to make the jump, but are held back by lesser schools.

 

[Moontan]

The SEC is the only conference with any sort of football contract with the over-the-air part of CBS, and CBS also has Army-Navy.

This is not entirely true. Disney airs games involving teams from its conference partners on ABC, both on Saturday afternoons and evenings.

Outside if conferences, there's always Notre Dame's deal with NBC which will now feature 2-3 ACC opponents each year.

 

[Moontan]

-The "voice" will be a token gesture. There is no way administrators are going to willingly give away a shred of power. None.

Hopefully, the press and public outcry will ensure that the student athletes are at least heard and that their concerns are legitimately considered.

 

[Hoo's That]

This is not entirely true. Disney airs games involving teams from its conference partners on ABC, both on Saturday afternoons and evenings.

Outside if conferences, there's always Notre Dame's deal with NBC which will now feature 2-3 ACC opponents each year.

Yes, signing w/ESPN is also signing w/ABC through the Disney ownership of both of them.

 

[HtownOrange]

P5 schools will not want to upset the NCAA Apple cart too much. They are more likely to make a separate division in football and maybe in hoops but beyond that there is no benefit to creating a parallel organization to the NCAA.

They already have an impotent beauracracy with no teeth to bite them but they can exert enough influence to punish a potential up and comer back into their place, if necessary.

Creating a parallel hoops tourney is not likely to net as much as they already garner and staying with the masses in hoops makes them look far less egalitarian. A tourney of only P5 hoops would be watered down and far less dramatic.

The P5 already gets virtually all football money and the NCAA has no say nor no revenue from post season play.

By staying in the NCAA fold, all non revenue sports are with peers and a larger pool of victims...I mean fellow educational institutions.

 

[tep624]

P5 schools will not want to upset the NCAA Apple cart too much. They are more likely to make a separate division in football and maybe in hoops but beyond that there is no benefit to creating a parallel organization to the NCAA.

They already have an impotent beauracracy with no teeth to bite them but they can exert enough influence to punish a potential up and comer back into their place, if necessary.

Creating a parallel hoops tourney is not likely to net as much as they already garner and staying with the masses in hoops makes them look far less egalitarian. A tourney of only P5 hoops would be watered down and far less dramatic.

The P5 already gets virtually all football money and the NCAA has no say nor no revenue from post season play.

By staying in the NCAA fold, all non revenue sports are with peers and a larger pool of victims...I mean fellow educational institutions.

This is going to be even more brutal for the have-nots as far as competing for talent and exposure. I'd have to think we see one more desperation round of expansion - not sure any schools will move but I'd have to think if any schools were holding back from making a jump to a P5 conference now would be the time.

 

[SU2NASA]

Step 1, but a big step.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Profit!

 

[rrlbees]

P5 schools will not want to upset the NCAA Apple cart too much. They are more likely to make a separate division in football and maybe in hoops but beyond that there is no benefit to creating a parallel organization to the NCAA. They already have an impotent beauracracy with no teeth to bite them but they can exert enough influence to punish a potential up and comer back into their place, if necessary. Creating a parallel hoops tourney is not likely to net as much as they already garner and staying with the masses in hoops makes them look far less egalitarian. A tourney of only P5 hoops would be watered down and far less dramatic. The P5 already gets virtually all football money and the NCAA has no say nor no revenue from post season play. By staying in the NCAA fold, all non revenue sports are with peers and a larger pool of victims...I mean fellow educational institutions.

The P5 schools are going to be the proverbial spoiled brat. They are going to get EVERYTHING they want or they are going to take their ball and go home.

A few people keep talking about the basketball tourney money. Unlike the BCS bowl money, a large chunk of the basketball money goes to the NCAA, not the schools. The P5 wants it all.

 

[Toga]

Isn't the adult table nice?

 

[HtownOrange]

The P5 schools are going to be the proverbial spoiled brat. They are going to get EVERYTHING they want or they are going to take their ball and go home.

A few people keep talking about the basketball tourney money. Unlike the BCS bowl money, a large chunk of the basketball money goes to the NCAA, not the schools. The P5 wants it all.

I agree that a large part (half) of the tourney money goes to the NCAA. However, assuming the P5 schools do take their ball and go home the P5 schools would fill out the tourney, which means that every P5 school is in the tourney, nobody will care if a 10-20 SEC team or perennial bottom feeder Rutgers makes it in the tourney. Further, many mid-majors have very loyal fans in hoops, these people are not going to suddenly switch to the P5 schools. The TV ratings and subsequently TV deals, will suffer. And, most importantly, the P5 needs the mid majors for cover.

I fully agree that the P5 will be the spoiled brats and get everything they want. I think that the P5 schools WANT the NCAA and the mid majors for cover, for diversity (read more teams to beat up), and to pretend that everyone has a fair chance to win it all. This keeps the courts and Congress off their backs and avoids the need to create a parallel organization that will receive funds from the P5 if they create their own organization, essentially making the NCAA Tourney money a wash.

 

[Moontan]

The P5 schools are going to be the proverbial spoiled brat. They are going to get EVERYTHING they want or they are going to take their ball and go home.

A few people keep talking about the basketball tourney money. Unlike the BCS bowl money, a large chunk of the basketball money goes to the NCAA, not the schools. The P5 wants it all.

How will the other sports' championships be funded?

The final rounds of the lax, hockey and baseball championships can hold their own, but all of the other playoff matchups in the various sports wouldn't be funded.

 

[CuseOnly]

You're absolutely right Scooch- this is about maximizing revenue. However, the P5 could continue to do "business as usual" as the NCAA seems to be content to do right now.

It won't hurt those volleyball players to have a voice in terms of travel, practice, and receiving more academic support. It's not the best thing, but it is a big step in the right direction. Right now no one is helping those students, and with coaches being paid more and hired/fired for winning and nothing else, these other sports are getting royally screwed over in the process. It's good to hear an admin admit that the 20-hr rule is a joke.

Perhaps with more revenue and greater control, the P5 can make it a priority to provide the appropriate support for all student-athletes. This could be adjusting rules so that all athletes could be guaranteed summer school in order to lighten course load during season, or have their scholarships guaranteed for 5 years of graduation. It would be great if everyone on this board could have a conversation with a scholarship student-athlete (from any sport) to find out just what their daily lives look like.

Actually they cannot continue to do business as usual or the players as well as the court/legal system are poised to blow the current "student-athlete" Collegiate Model right out of the water. Then they will not have a system that resembles the current system in any way.

They absolutely need to make changes and I think that they will even be more drastic than the ones mentioned by Slive or the system gets torn down by unhappy players that think they are being taken advantage of.

 

[Orangeyes]

LSU AD Joe Alleva blasts SEC decision on permanent cross-divison ...

 

[SmilinBob]

LSU AD Joe Alleva blasts SEC decision on permanent cross-divison ...

LSU should make the jump to the ACC.

 

[CousCuse]

LSU should make the jump to the ACC.

Tulane

 

[SmilinBob]

Tulane

The SEC can have Tulane back. I'll take LSU as the SEC has put it to them schedule wise for a while now.

 

[Orangeyes]

The "New" SEC Schedule and Doing "What's Best for Business."